Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited July 2014
    backseatLover12 said:

    You can get angry as much as you want, after all, it's your health and well-being, not mine. But you know as much as anyone else that no real solutions and certainly no peace has ever been attained through violence.

    That must piss you off.


    Please quit focusing on one person in this thread. Argue the issues, not the person.


    Edit: I edited out the "this guy is a joke" comment as it was not intended or directed at anyone, it was left over from an earlier comment I was going to make that I forgot to erase. Sorry backseatLover12 if you read it, not meant for anyone.

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited July 2014
    JimmyV said:

    benjs said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    JimmyV said:

    lolobugg said:

    after 32 pages....
    this thread name should be changed to "Image That- we're still arguing..."
    because I think the original meaning has been buried.

    It is kind of telling that a thread intended to be about the quest for peace has erupted into a war.

    Only on the PJ Forums…
    I personally don't see this as war at all. As already stated, we might have differing opinions, but I would like to think that everyone here wants to promote peace and not killing.
    There have been many times throughout this dialogue when it has seemed more personal than it needed to be. The battle lines had been drawn and away it went.

    I agree. It's a topic that a lot of people care about and sometimes cooler heads don't prevail. I understand that, we have all been there I'm sure.

    I really appreciate the tone you have taken throughout this thread (and others) JimmyV.

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    benjs said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    JimmyV said:

    lolobugg said:

    after 32 pages....
    this thread name should be changed to "Image That- we're still arguing..."
    because I think the original meaning has been buried.

    It is kind of telling that a thread intended to be about the quest for peace has erupted into a war.

    Only on the PJ Forums…
    I personally don't see this as war at all. As already stated, we might have differing opinions, but I would like to think that everyone here wants to promote peace and not killing.
    There have been many times throughout this dialogue when it has seemed more personal than it needed to be. The battle lines had been drawn and away it went.

    I agree. It's a topic that a lot of people care about and sometimes cooler heads don't prevail. I understand that, we have all been there I'm sure.

    I really appreciate the tone you have taken throughout this thread (and others) JimmyV.

    I was about to post something similar but you said it well, and I agree.

    Being incredibly pissed off is one thing, but I wish insults and the like could be left at the door.

    (realizing it ain't gonna happen though!)



  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    benjs said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    JimmyV said:

    lolobugg said:

    after 32 pages....
    this thread name should be changed to "Image That- we're still arguing..."
    because I think the original meaning has been buried.

    It is kind of telling that a thread intended to be about the quest for peace has erupted into a war.

    Only on the PJ Forums…
    I personally don't see this as war at all. As already stated, we might have differing opinions, but I would like to think that everyone here wants to promote peace and not killing.
    There have been many times throughout this dialogue when it has seemed more personal than it needed to be. The battle lines had been drawn and away it went.

    I agree. It's a topic that a lot of people care about and sometimes cooler heads don't prevail. I understand that, we have all been there I'm sure.

    I really appreciate the tone you have taken throughout this thread (and others) JimmyV.

    Thanks. You are right about cooler heads not always prevailing, and that we have all been there. I have had my share of arguments on the board too.

    If everyone can agree that we want to see less war (or no war at all) and remember that we are all here because we love the same band...maybe we can come a little closer together.

    Maybe. ;-)

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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Nearly 12% (11.7%, to be precise) of the world's population is currently at war.

    A sad and mad world, indeed.

    Those of you who are actively trying to put an end to it, wherever it may be, keep doing it. Don't give up!

    For those of you who are just arguing with folks on the internet, please, for the love of life on this planet, direct that energy toward a letter to the appropriate representative in your government, repeat; get folks you know on the side of ending it to do the same thing, repeat; get folks you know on the side of of ending it to get folks they know on the side of ending it to do the same thing, repeat; etc.; etc.

    OK, this is starting to sound like the end of "Alice's Restaurant."

    "One more time ... with feeling."

    Thanks for listening.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    A grown man crying and he's NOT Palestinian. Sad video

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/gaza/11001631/UN-spokesman-breaks-down-talking-about-Gaza-child-deaths.html
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    badbrains said:

    A grown man crying and he's NOT Palestinian. Sad video

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/gaza/11001631/UN-spokesman-breaks-down-talking-about-Gaza-child-deaths.html

    I haven't cried since I was eight years old (and I've lost a father, an uncle, a grandmother, a grandfather, some good friends and then some since then), but since this latest "operation" began, I nearly do so every night at my dinner table when looking at my kids. The images of the latest round of dead children is hard to shake when I look at their faces.

    I swallow it down with dinner, but it doesn't go down easy.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
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    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    >
    backseatLover12 said:

    You can get angry as much as you want, after all, it's your health and well-being, not mine. But you know as much as anyone else that no real solutions and certainly no peace has ever been attained through violence.

    That must piss you off.

    Who said anything about promoting violence? Nobody did. You're talking out of your butt.

    You seem to think its unreasonable for people to be angry over the Israelis committing mass murder.

    Actually, it's people like you who are unreasonable.

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    dignin said:

    That guy is a joke...

    backseatLover12 said:

    You can get angry as much as you want, after all, it's your health and well-being, not mine. But you know as much as anyone else that no real solutions and certainly no peace has ever been attained through violence.

    That must piss you off.


    Please quit focusing on one person in this thread. Argue the issues, not the person.


    Exactly. Apparently this is all about me though. Forget about the mass murder of civilians. Byrnzie's angry. Lets psychoanalyse him and pretend he's unreasonable.

    Next they'll be asking me to assume the position so they can stick a stethoscope up my arse.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    dankind said:

    badbrains said:

    A grown man crying and he's NOT Palestinian. Sad video

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/gaza/11001631/UN-spokesman-breaks-down-talking-about-Gaza-child-deaths.html

    I haven't cried since I was eight years old (and I've lost a father, an uncle, a grandmother, a grandfather, some good friends and then some since then), but since this latest "operation" began, I nearly do so every night at my dinner table when looking at my kids. The images of the latest round of dead children is hard to shake when I look at their faces.

    I swallow it down with dinner, but it doesn't go down easy.
    It's because you're a human dan, you FEEL. Unlike some of these leaders we got running our countries. It's amazing, seems like whenever I see I kid wherever I'm at, it reminds me of gaza, I get that lump in my throat and the eyes start to swell up. It could be because that kid is walking with his dad, riding a bike in the neighborhood or seeing my best friends new baby. Then I think of gaza and all the kids who have no one left or the father who has nothing left. It's numbing.....
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    I keep telling myself that eventually I'll get used to these pics coming out of gaza. Reality is, I'm not and it's sickening. Again I'll say it, it's a sad sad world we live in.

    Have you seen the pictures coming out of Sharknado!!! They are far more horrific.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    This one, ya, this one really hurt

    http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-could-be-the-most-heartbreaking-image-of-the-israelgaza-conflict-yet--gJaxzjoQzx
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Here's a great read from a woman's perspective: Yasmin mogahed

    "I used to wonder why some Palestinian people would engage in actions that could only provoke the aggressor further. Then I realized that to ask a people to live quietly, while they have no justice and no freedom, is to ask them to live "peacefully" as slaves. "Peace" without justice or freedom is slavery. It's like asking a battered woman to live "peacefully" with her abuser. We all want the bloodshed to stop. But what about the daily humiliation and institutionalized oppression?

    I was reminded of a part in "The Hunger Games" when Katniss considers abandoning the resistance against the oppressor, in exchange for "safety". Gale's response was telling. He said: "Safe to do what? Starve? Work like slaves? Send their kids to the reaping?"

    Consider this: If a woman is being raped, things would be a lot more "peaceful" if she didn't resist. But, asking her not to resist--just because her attacker is physically stronger--is asking her to accept her own abuse and oppression for the sake of "peace". This is what the world is asking Palestinians to do.

    And sometimes what seems to the world as just ineffective tactics, like throwing a rock at a tank, is in fact an act of resistance. It is a powerful statement to the oppressor--and the world--that they refuse to be enslaved. That dignity and self-respect are even more beloved to them than their own lives.

    It is a statement that you can take their lives. But not their freedom."
    ~ Yasmin Mogahed


  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    I keep telling myself that eventually I'll get used to these pics coming out of gaza. Reality is, I'm not and it's sickening. Again I'll say it, it's a sad sad world we live in.

    Have you seen the pictures coming out of Sharknado!!! They are far more horrific.
    Dude...not funny.



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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    JimmyV said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    I keep telling myself that eventually I'll get used to these pics coming out of gaza. Reality is, I'm not and it's sickening. Again I'll say it, it's a sad sad world we live in.

    Have you seen the pictures coming out of Sharknado!!! They are far more horrific.
    Dude...not funny.



    I just watched it. It's pretty damn funny.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    It's still about peace here.
    I'm walking with the peace seekers on this thread. Sorry to see the anger still bumping up against ourselves here. It's just not very useful if it isn't forged with cooperation- even worse when exercised out of context.
    Here, it's about peace.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    So let me get this right - there are those of us who are calling for an end to the conflict and for both sides to comply with international law, and who are writing letters to political representatives, and otherwise protesting the massacre.

    And then there are 'the peace seekers'? Those who want to talk about peace and love on PJ's forum and criticize those of us who are angry at the fact that bombs are being dropped on babies.

    Yep, that makes sense.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I think you've got it wrong - whether you'll ever see or admit that...it's on you.

    (but I agree, this thread is not about you at all. I hope the focus can shift.)

    But, if that black and white, us or them view, is what you're taking from the well-spoken people in this thread, then it's too bad, and doesn't make much sense to me.

    I doubt anyone's looking to stick a daisy into the barrel of a gun, and re-create some scene from Hair.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Meanwhile:

    Gaza: nothing more shameful than attacking sleeping children, says Ban Ki-moon - video http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/world-disgrace-gaza-un-shelter-school-israel
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