Jerusalem Post/Ben Red Completely Off Base In Criticism of Eddie and Pearl Jam
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WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CLAP SMILE????????????????BinFrog said:The only people calling out Eddie's speech as being anti-Israel are...Jews and people from Israel who are just so freaking uptight about anyone having anything to say about the situation that doesn't paint them in a favorable light.
(My last name is Horwitz, so take that for what it is worth).
Here is what he said, let's break it down, shall we?
"“What the fuck? We have this many people having a peaceful time, we can have modern technology, we can reach our friends, they know what we’re thinking it. The advertisers know what we’re thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology, all of this in our hand. But at the same time as something this positive is happening, at the same fucking time, not even that far away, dropping bombs on each other. What the fucking fuck? And I get if war is the last resort, you don’t want to be in that situation. But I swear to fucking God, there are some people out there looking for a reason to kill. They’re looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them. They should get the fuck out, and mind their own fucking business!
He added, “Eat, procreate, draw a painting, make some art, listen to music, fuck some more, have another baby, eat, work, eat, work, love, love, love. Everyone’s the fucking same, so why are people at war? Stop the fucking shit now! Now! Now! We don’t want to give them our money! They don’t get our taxes to drop bombs on children! No! No more!”"
Ok. We live in a time where so much is possible and there is so much to be amazed with. Then we have to deal with: Israel and the Palestinians, Russia invading the Ukraine, North Korea waving their missile dicks, the US butting in where they are not wanted/needed. And on and on. He is as much talking about Israel as he is talking about his OWN FUCKING COUNTRY. So all you blowhards who love ripping those "liberal" artists who speak up "against" Israel, get over yourselves. Israel is about as far from perfect as the US is, and we're in bed with each other. Ed is anti war, anti needless killing, anti living in fear.
Live and let live, and yet people can't figure this out. "They don't get our taxes to drop bombs on children". Ed can be saying that to numerous militaries and governments. Oh but god forbid it can be said about Israel (which is killing children the same way Palestinians are, lets not overlook that fact). Hey, pro-Israeli folks (I can be in that camp sometimes) - GET OVER YOURSELVES. You are not special and neither is your country. Israel is as much a victim as it is a perpetrator. Neither side is "right". So stop with the whole "I'm going to boycott every artist who says anything at all that paints Israel in a less-than-flattering light". Guess what? The world is sick of the shit going down in the middle east...not just "liberal artists". Grow up and join the real world.
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I completely agree EV on this and this is not new. He's gone on many anti-war rants in the past. Yet I know being a veteran in the U.S. Navy and reading and studying history, violence is a fact of life and human nature, sorry to say. I'm all for world peace, who wouldn't be?? but you eliminate the bin Ladens, the Saddam Husseins, Hitlers, regime after regime, etc. there's 10 more down the road in the future...it's a FACT of life....there's never been world peace and always will be a push for it, thankfully. It's a constant struggle between all the different people throughout time.
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I disagree….as I mentioned, the Palestinian solidarity camp also thinks this was about Israel. So unless he wants to clarify his words by saying he did NOT mean to single out Israel, this is how it will be viewed by everyone who is personally invested in the ‘conflict’ (read: occupation). On the contrary, the only people I’ve seen who DO view this as simply an anti-war rant, are the people who don’t want him to pick a side because they don’t want to either, and a few Israelis who are in denial about the whole thing.BinFrog said:The only people calling out Eddie's speech as being anti-Israel are...Jews and people from Israel who are just so freaking uptight about anyone having anything to say about the situation that doesn't paint them in a favorable light.
I personally hope he is willing to speak further on it, but I think he will keep his mouth shut and hope this dies out. We can see the shit storm it caused to say anything that could even possibly be interpreted as criticizing Israel ….if he decides to clarify and make it clear that that is what he meant, his life will be turned inside out. He may even be in danger, after reading the jpost facebook comments. I hope reading these comments was an eye opener who those who view the conflict as being peace loving Israeli’s vs extremist arabs – plenty of hate to go around on both sides. When it comes to celebs, it takes a special kind of person to speak out against Israeli aggression.
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Haywood Yablomee said:
Cornell is not Jewish & Johnny Ramone was an anti-Semite who taunted Joey about being Jewish. Johnny also was a HUGE collector of Nazi memorabilia.
haywood,Actually Read an interview(I will try to find it)Where Cornell talks about his Jewish mother and that side of his family.It Dosent really matter.I was just making a point.I think we all know Ed is anti war not a Rascist of anyone.rr165892 said:Ed's not anti-Semitic or anti anything other then Republican as far as I can tell.Hell,a lot of people close to Ed are/were Jewish.The Ramones,Cornell,Carrie B,etc,Etc.I think his first wife may have been also.Dude is not a hater.And although I am a believer in a concert in Israel would do a lot to bring peeps together peacefully,now isn't the time and it will be Interesting to see if Neil keeps his show scheduled.
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Agree but add in who got in bed with Hamas?? Gotta call out the nonsense on both sides.badbrains said:
This is actually pretty good. Straight forward and to the point, no holding back and saying it like it is. No doubt both sides have fucked up aspects of themselves, but we all have to remember that when's enough enough? What would anyone do if they were out in a position of an Israeli or a Palestinian? Who has it more fucked up? Who's allowed to go and do what they want without anyone telling them no? Who has their "own" roads they are ONLY allowed to drive on? Who's basically allowed to "live" a somewhat normal life, having basic needs and being able to use those basic needs? This shit has to stop. It's 2014 and shit like this still happens. EnoughBinFrog said:The only people calling out Eddie's speech as being anti-Israel are...Jews and people from Israel who are just so freaking uptight about anyone having anything to say about the situation that doesn't paint them in a favorable light.
(My last name is Horwitz, so take that for what it is worth).
Here is what he said, let's break it down, shall we?
"“What the fuck? We have this many people having a peaceful time, we can have modern technology, we can reach our friends, they know what we’re thinking it. The advertisers know what we’re thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology, all of this in our hand. But at the same time as something this positive is happening, at the same fucking time, not even that far away, dropping bombs on each other. What the fucking fuck? And I get if war is the last resort, you don’t want to be in that situation. But I swear to fucking God, there are some people out there looking for a reason to kill. They’re looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them. They should get the fuck out, and mind their own fucking business!
He added, “Eat, procreate, draw a painting, make some art, listen to music, fuck some more, have another baby, eat, work, eat, work, love, love, love. Everyone’s the fucking same, so why are people at war? Stop the fucking shit now! Now! Now! We don’t want to give them our money! They don’t get our taxes to drop bombs on children! No! No more!”"
Ok. We live in a time where so much is possible and there is so much to be amazed with. Then we have to deal with: Israel and the Palestinians, Russia invading the Ukraine, North Korea waving their missile dicks, the US butting in where they are not wanted/needed. And on and on. He is as much talking about Israel as he is talking about his OWN FUCKING COUNTRY. So all you blowhards who love ripping those "liberal" artists who speak up "against" Israel, get over yourselves. Israel is about as far from perfect as the US is, and we're in bed with each other. Ed is anti war, anti needless killing, anti living in fear.
Live and let live, and yet people can't figure this out. "They don't get our taxes to drop bombs on children". Ed can be saying that to numerous militaries and governments. Oh but god forbid it can be said about Israel (which is killing children the same way Palestinians are, lets not overlook that fact). Hey, pro-Israeli folks (I can be in that camp sometimes) - GET OVER YOURSELVES. You are not special and neither is your country. Israel is as much a victim as it is a perpetrator. Neither side is "right". So stop with the whole "I'm going to boycott every artist who says anything at all that paints Israel in a less-than-flattering light". Guess what? The world is sick of the shit going down in the middle east...not just "liberal artists". Grow up and join the real world.
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Agreedbootlegger10 said:Five pages and the debates are all respectful. Nice job everyone!
There seems to be a critical shift from anti- this or that, to a pro-peace mentality. '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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ONCE AGAINBinFrog said:The only people calling out Eddie's speech as being anti-Israel are...Jews and people from Israel who are just so freaking uptight about anyone having anything to say about the situation that doesn't paint them in a favorable light.
(My last name is Horwitz, so take that for what it is worth).
Here is what he said, let's break it down, shall we?
"“What the fuck? We have this many people having a peaceful time, we can have modern technology, we can reach our friends, they know what we’re thinking it. The advertisers know what we’re thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology, all of this in our hand. But at the same time as something this positive is happening, at the same fucking time, not even that far away, dropping bombs on each other. What the fucking fuck? And I get if war is the last resort, you don’t want to be in that situation. But I swear to fucking God, there are some people out there looking for a reason to kill. They’re looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them. They should get the fuck out, and mind their own fucking business!
He added, “Eat, procreate, draw a painting, make some art, listen to music, fuck some more, have another baby, eat, work, eat, work, love, love, love. Everyone’s the fucking same, so why are people at war? Stop the fucking shit now! Now! Now! We don’t want to give them our money! They don’t get our taxes to drop bombs on children! No! No more!”"
Ok. We live in a time where so much is possible and there is so much to be amazed with. Then we have to deal with: Israel and the Palestinians, Russia invading the Ukraine, North Korea waving their missile dicks, the US butting in where they are not wanted/needed. And on and on. He is as much talking about Israel as he is talking about his OWN FUCKING COUNTRY. So all you blowhards who love ripping those "liberal" artists who speak up "against" Israel, get over yourselves. Israel is about as far from perfect as the US is, and we're in bed with each other. Ed is anti war, anti needless killing, anti living in fear.
Live and let live, and yet people can't figure this out. "They don't get our taxes to drop bombs on children". Ed can be saying that to numerous militaries and governments. Oh but god forbid it can be said about Israel (which is killing children the same way Palestinians are, lets not overlook that fact). Hey, pro-Israeli folks (I can be in that camp sometimes) - GET OVER YOURSELVES. You are not special and neither is your country. Israel is as much a victim as it is a perpetrator. Neither side is "right". So stop with the whole "I'm going to boycott every artist who says anything at all that paints Israel in a less-than-flattering light". Guess what? The world is sick of the shit going down in the middle east...not just "liberal artists". Grow up and join the real world.
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Have you people read the comments under the article?? I can't help but laugh, damn the world is full of lunatics.PJ
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BinFrog said:
The only people calling out Eddie's speech as being anti-Israel are...Jews and people from Israel who are just so freaking uptight about anyone having anything to say about the situation that doesn't paint them in a favorable light.
(My last name is Horwitz, so take that for what it is worth).
Here is what he said, let's break it down, shall we?
"“What the fuck? We have this many people having a peaceful time, we can have modern technology, we can reach our friends, they know what we’re thinking it. The advertisers know what we’re thinking before we’re thinking it. We have technology, all of this in our hand. But at the same time as something this positive is happening, at the same fucking time, not even that far away, dropping bombs on each other. What the fucking fuck? And I get if war is the last resort, you don’t want to be in that situation. But I swear to fucking God, there are some people out there looking for a reason to kill. They’re looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn't belong to them. They should get the fuck out, and mind their own fucking business!
He added, “Eat, procreate, draw a painting, make some art, listen to music, fuck some more, have another baby, eat, work, eat, work, love, love, love. Everyone’s the fucking same, so why are people at war? Stop the fucking shit now! Now! Now! We don’t want to give them our money! They don’t get our taxes to drop bombs on children! No! No more!”"
Ok. We live in a time where so much is possible and there is so much to be amazed with. Then we have to deal with: Israel and the Palestinians, Russia invading the Ukraine, North Korea waving their missile dicks, the US butting in where they are not wanted/needed. And on and on. He is as much talking about Israel as he is talking about his OWN FUCKING COUNTRY. So all you blowhards who love ripping those "liberal" artists who speak up "against" Israel, get over yourselves. Israel is about as far from perfect as the US is, and we're in bed with each other. Ed is anti war, anti needless killing, anti living in fear.
Live and let live, and yet people can't figure this out. "They don't get our taxes to drop bombs on children". Ed can be saying that to numerous militaries and governments. Oh but god forbid it can be said about Israel (which is killing children the same way Palestinians are, lets not overlook that fact). Hey, pro-Israeli folks (I can be in that camp sometimes) - GET OVER YOURSELVES. You are not special and neither is your country. Israel is as much a victim as it is a perpetrator. Neither side is "right". So stop with the whole "I'm going to boycott every artist who says anything at all that paints Israel in a less-than-flattering light". Guess what? The world is sick of the shit going down in the middle east...not just "liberal artists". Grow up and join the real world.
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Well said. It's amazing how many people are missing the point of Ed's speech. Does it matter which conflict he could be referring too? Surely what's more important is stopping war in the first place?2000: Manchester
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no shit....I know I'm dreaming, but thats where I'd like the policy to godimitrispearljam said:
which country sell them guns??your country is the first has to do with the whole..CROJAM95 said:As an American I too don't want my country to have anything to do with the Middle East period
Let them figure it out
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I don't really care what "side" he picks, and I do view it as an anti-war rant. Picking sides is an overly simplistic way of looking at a complex issue. I'm against the occupation and Israel's current tactics, but I am also against the kidnap and murder of children. I'm against Israeli airstrikes, but I am also against Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks. So what "side" does that put me on?Drowned Out said:
I disagree….as I mentioned, the Palestinian solidarity camp also thinks this was about Israel. So unless he wants to clarify his words by saying he did NOT mean to single out Israel, this is how it will be viewed by everyone who is personally invested in the ‘conflict’ (read: occupation). On the contrary, the only people I’ve seen who DO view this as simply an anti-war rant, are the people who don’t want him to pick a side because they don’t want to either, and a few Israelis who are in denial about the whole thing.
I personally hope he is willing to speak further on it, but I think he will keep his mouth shut and hope this dies out. We can see the shit storm it caused to say anything that could even possibly be interpreted as criticizing Israel ….if he decides to clarify and make it clear that that is what he meant, his life will be turned inside out. He may even be in danger, after reading the jpost facebook comments. I hope reading these comments was an eye opener who those who view the conflict as being peace loving Israeli’s vs extremist arabs – plenty of hate to go around on both sides. When it comes to celebs, it takes a special kind of person to speak out against Israeli aggression.
If he wanted to single Israel out, he would have. He didn't, and there is nothing in what he did say to indicate he was speaking solely or even specifically about Israel.
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I never get the idea that EV is really informed on political issues. Maybe he's intentionally uninformed or underinformed, but to view him in any higher light than a pot smoking hippie yelling, "peace dude" is to do an injustice.0
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Your standpoint puts you in what I'm pretty sure is Eddie's side: the human side that cares for the preservation for human life and the quality of life which should inherently come with it, regardless of what borders you live within.JimmyV said:
I don't really care what "side" he picks, and I do view it as an anti-war rant. Picking sides is an overly simplistic way of looking at a complex issue. I'm against the occupation and Israel's current tactics, but I am also against the kidnap and murder of children. I'm against Israeli airstrikes, but I am also against Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks. So what "side" does that put me on?Drowned Out said:
I disagree….as I mentioned, the Palestinian solidarity camp also thinks this was about Israel. So unless he wants to clarify his words by saying he did NOT mean to single out Israel, this is how it will be viewed by everyone who is personally invested in the ‘conflict’ (read: occupation). On the contrary, the only people I’ve seen who DO view this as simply an anti-war rant, are the people who don’t want him to pick a side because they don’t want to either, and a few Israelis who are in denial about the whole thing.
I personally hope he is willing to speak further on it, but I think he will keep his mouth shut and hope this dies out. We can see the shit storm it caused to say anything that could even possibly be interpreted as criticizing Israel ….if he decides to clarify and make it clear that that is what he meant, his life will be turned inside out. He may even be in danger, after reading the jpost facebook comments. I hope reading these comments was an eye opener who those who view the conflict as being peace loving Israeli’s vs extremist arabs – plenty of hate to go around on both sides. When it comes to celebs, it takes a special kind of person to speak out against Israeli aggression.
If he wanted to single Israel out, he would have. He didn't, and there is nothing in what he did say to indicate he was speaking solely or even specifically about Israel.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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let me guess, you know more than him? Or thats what you would like to thinklbpeltz said:I never get the idea that EV is really informed on political issues. Maybe he's intentionally uninformed or underinformed, but to view him in any higher light than a pot smoking hippie yelling, "peace dude" is to do an injustice.
Isnt that what causes these arguments/wars...you think you know, he thinks he knows.....boom conflict
oh if it were so black n white....
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