This has to stop

MayDay10

100 Pacer said:

If you're there for the music, does it really matter how close to the rail you are? Seriously?
Lining up for 12+ hours to be on the rail seems luda to me, but apparently it brings others joy.

I agree with the 12+ hour wait thing.

But disagree with the "all for the music" take. I love the music and all, but if I end up in shitty floor seats staring at someone's back for 3 hours, it really kind of sucks.

my2hands

the real question to me is who the hell is lining up at 11:30pm the night BEFORE a concert? that is just totally ridiculous

my view will be just fine from my reserved seat

100 Pacer

MayDay10 said:

100 Pacer said:

If you're there for the music, does it really matter how close to the rail you are? Seriously?
Lining up for 12+ hours to be on the rail seems luda to me, but apparently it brings others joy.

I agree with the 12+ hour wait thing.

But disagree with the "all for the music" take. I love the music and all, but if I end up in shitty floor seats staring at someone's back for 3 hours, it really kind of sucks.

I was referring to the GA area, not the venue in general.

I get it, people want to be on the rail for a chance at some vino & band swag. That's fair and totally their right to attempt for such things. It's just that the end goal in my mind has always been about the music, not being on the rail as a sort of validation.

djklambake

I'm built for comfort, I ain't built for speed.

Y'all can have your rail and wait in line all day, braving the elements and superfans with acoustic guitars.

I'm kicking back with dinner and drinks before the show, and then I'm gonna saunter over to the merch bus, buy me some stuff, take it all somewhere that I don't have to carry it the whole show, grab some more beers and find my way in.

It's amazing how close you can get when you still show up nine hours after the first people got in line. Half drunk, belly full, bladder empty, merch procured, high fives aplenty.

MayDay10

for me, I would like to do it 1 time. I think if I ever got GA I would try to get a good spot.

I dont think I would need to do it for numerous shows or anything.

WhatYouTaughtMe

MayDay10 said:

for me, I would like to do it 1 time. I think if I ever got GA I would try to get a good spot.

I dont think I would need to do it for numerous shows or anything.

You can still have a great spot without waiting all day. I couldn't imagine traveling somewhere and spending the whole day in line when I could be sight seeing and what not.

MayDay10

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

MayDay10 said:

for me, I would like to do it 1 time. I think if I ever got GA I would try to get a good spot.

I dont think I would need to do it for numerous shows or anything.

You can still have a great spot without waiting all day. I couldn't imagine traveling somewhere and spending the whole day in line when I could be sight seeing and what not.

It depends on where I am, I guess. Like hometown, meh. Pittsburgh we just slugged a few beers in the hotel before showing up.
Cleveland I wouldnt miss hanging out at Flannery's, Toronto a lot to do around the ACC... a place I havent been, etc.

inmyohiotree

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Hugh Freaking Dillon

djklambake said:

I'm built for comfort, I ain't built for speed.

Y'all can have your rail and wait in line all day, braving the elements and superfans with acoustic guitars.

I'm kicking back with dinner and drinks before the show, and then I'm gonna saunter over to the merch bus, buy me some stuff, take it all somewhere that I don't have to carry it the whole show, grab some more beers and find my way in.

It's amazing how close you can get when you still show up nine hours after the first people got in line. Half drunk, belly full, bladder empty, merch procured, high fives aplenty.

sir, you are today's winner of the internet!

badbrains

inmyohiotree said:

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I think we mite have found one of our first listers ladies and gentlemen.

Zod

vant0037 said:

No disrespect to my Euro friends, but I've found the list is a distinctly European thing.

I thought the list was rampant in North America last year too? There was definitely one in Vancouver.

demetrios

I LOVED the Spokane show. Just because many folks that I know that didn't have to wait for hours & hours outside the front door that didn't have to put their names on this "death note" of a list or numeric writings on their hand, got rail & were pretty freaking close to the stage, just because they went to the back door of the arena where the good folks working the arena let them in early. O:-)

2-feign-reluctance

Superfans? Elitist guitar playing groups? Humans are assholes? Have you all lost your minds?! This kind of thinking makes me sick. It fuels nothing but anger & resentment. Just stop. It uglies this place up bad.

WhatYouTaughtMe

2-feign-reluctance said:

Superfans? Elitist guitar playing groups? Humans are assholes? Have you all lost your minds?! This kind of thinking makes me sick. It fuels nothing but anger & resentment. Just stop. It uglies this place up bad.

I agree that some of this is ridiculous, threatening violence and name calling going on in this and another thread. The op does have a legitimate beef though. If these things aren't discussed, the powers that be might not be made aware it is still happening. If Ten Club states first come first serve, no list, people that aren't aware of this process can be extremely frustrated, but yeah this is getting a little ugly on the board.

PP193448

Too much "I'm gonna piss on the list and shove it down your throat" tough guy attitude. People need to take deep breathe and relax. Just have fun at the show and don't be an asshole. >-

MayDay10

the issue is, if they leave the process out to the Wild West, one of these situations will get ugly.

mcgruff10

Either adopt the Bruce Springsteen ga policy or head back to seats.

benjs

'The List' is like communism: it's great on paper, and when you add human greed/corruption and other self-serving behaviours, the system begins to crumble rapidly.

Some people will say "piss in a bottle, no leaving!", others will say "sure, you can go for lunch!".

Some people will say "your +1 better be here all day", others will say "I'm so sorry your seven best friends had to work late - of course I'll let them in when they arrive".

Honestly, I'm sick of this discussion. For the people who showed up twenty minutes prior to doors open after being absent for all of the day and acted like entitled assholes, I didn't have the time of day for them and initiated linebacker mode (very hard to do as a 5"7 stalky Jew). For the Columbian (perhaps) family with numbers higher than mine with a kid who was grinning from ear to ear and hadn't been there all day and were polite, friendly, and conversational - I was more than happy to let them in front.

When I got hungry, I went for lunch. How did I justify a lunch break? I asked the people around me - who I had befriended and had great conversations with all day - if it was okay. I also asked if they needed anything. Take care of those around you, let those around you take care of you, have a good time, and trust that shit will work out. Fuck the list - just let it be a non-issue and go on with doing what you want to do, and what you feel is right. End result: I was welcomed to the rail by new friends who wedged to the side and let me squeeze in right in front of Mike McCready.

CM189191

MayDay10 said:

the issue is, if they leave the process out to the Wild West, one of these situations will get ugly.

Why do I envision one of these conceal/carry assholes down in Texas: "I got your List right here, buddy!"

MayDay10

I like the Springsteen method.

Furthermore, as I have stated endlessly, I would like to see GA treated as a random draw, not known until you pick up your tickets.