In Tennessee, I can walk in to Academy Sports right now and walk out with whatever gun I want. I have actually contemplated it lately, but to be honest, the thought of having a gun in the house scares the shit out of me. Not sure of the background checks conducted here, but I know that any type of permit is not needed.
You can't do that with a handgun. That is against the law.
Are you sure? He didn't say no background check, just no license needed. That's pretty much how it works in Colorado. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same in TN. I'm used to buying guns in California and waiting 10 days or whatever it was while they do the background check. Bought my first gun in Colorado a few years ago after I moved, not even thinking I would leave with it. The guy rings me up, says hold on while we do a background check, and 15 minutes later he gives me the gun and says have a nice day. I was actually surprised when it happened, so different from what I was used to.
Correct, no license needed to purchase one.
The waiting period thing I may be wrong on but I did have to wait in Fl, CA and PA.
A lot of states don't have a waiting period. Can't tell you for sure which ones other than CO. I did have to have a safety test card in California, which I guess one could consider some sort of "license." The test was a complete joke though, and just a way to either deter people from buying financially or essentially a tax on guns, because no way did it serve any real purpose. I think you had to renew or retest every 2 years too, even though you kept your guns. Again, seems like a revenue thing more than safety.
I'm a firm believer in that licensing is a revenue generating scheme for most things.
I’ll be curious to know how they are planning on preventing “ghost guns” as they call them. Are they going to ban drill bits and plastic? I don’t like people making them, but don’t really see how they are going to stop them.
So why try right? Why try to even show the surviving parents of all the school kids murdered in the last 20 years that he cares that he is at least trying!
So why try right? Why try to even show the surviving parents of all the school kids murdered in the last 20 years that he cares that he is at least trying!
I think he is just trying to appease his constituents by acting like he is trying. I think he knows his hands are pretty much tied, but has to address it occasionally in order to make people happy. He is just buying time before he can act like he is really trying and be able to blame republicans for the failures on implementation of meaningful gun control. Truth is, though, it’s never going to be easier for him than right now.
I’ll be curious to know how they are planning on preventing “ghost guns” as they call them. Are they going to ban drill bits and plastic? I don’t like people making them, but don’t really see how they are going to stop them.
I thought that was done too. They must have put loose language in there so it wouldn't pass?
I’ll be curious to know how they are planning on preventing “ghost guns” as they call them. Are they going to ban drill bits and plastic? I don’t like people making them, but don’t really see how they are going to stop them.
I thought that was done too. They must have put loose language in there so it wouldn't pass?
I mean, I think you could probably ban certain things from being attached to firearms, but possession of those individual items that are essentially rubber bands is the tricky part. Just like with the ghost guns; you can make it illegal to be in possession of firearms without serial numbers fairly easily, but banning the parts to make them (drill bits, jigsaws, screws, etc) will be slightly more difficult.
And another one but since its only three and the shooter, it doesn't count as a mass shooting. Thoughts and prayers. And President Biden tryng to do something is a waste of time. No point.:
NEW YORK — A man shot and killed three people Monday night at a New York City apartment where a birthday party was being held for his 9-year-old daughter, police said.
Joseph McCrimons killed the mother of his child and two of her daughters before killing himself, police said. His body was found in a walkway with two guns nearby.
The shooting happened around 11:15 p.m. in the Van Dyke Houses, a public housing complex in Brooklyn’s Brownsville neighborhood, police said.
NYPD Chief of Detectives James Essig said McCrimons, 46, had been in a relationship with his child’s mother, Rasheeda Barzey, for 20 years.
McCrimons, who in other records is listed with the last name McCrimon, served more than eight years in state prison for a Long Island manslaughter conviction. He was released in 2003.
There was no history of domestic violence between McCrimons and Barzey and no prior 911 calls involving them, Essig said, but lately the relationship has been “very rocky.”
“We know he left in an agitated state to meet her,” Essig told reporters Tuesday.
McCrimons and Barzey’s 9-year-old daughter called 911. According to Essig, she told the dispatcher: “Daddy’s coming from my birthday... he didn’t bring presents.”
“It’s really heart wrenching,” the veteran police commander said.
Officers responding to the fourth floor apartment found Barzey, 45, and her two daughters — Solei Spears, 20, and Chloe Spears, 16 — all dead from gunshot wounds, Essig said.
Solei and Chloe Spears were Barzey’s daughters with a different father, they said.
Police Commissioner Dermot Shea said he spent the morning reviewing footage from the officers’ body cameras.
Shea said seeing the young girl who called 911 “would tear your heart out.”
Mayor Bill de Blasio, speaking at a virtual news briefing, called the shootings “a really troubling and tragic situation.”
People want certain laws/bans on things. When that law/ban happens it usually means
A- keep what you have but have it documented to police. B- Sell it in another state that doesn't have that law/ban. c-keep it but after you pass away the firearm has to be given to the state.
So let's say you had something that was worth something, you lose the right to resell it and are left with something that is basically worthless. Every firearm owner doesn't want that so it is like taking your gun away from you.
People want certain laws/bans on things. When that law/ban happens it usually means
A- keep what you have but have it documented to police. B- Sell it in another state that doesn't have that law/ban. c-keep it but after you pass away the firearm has to be given to the state.
So let's say you had something that was worth something, you lose the right to resell it and are left with something that is basically worthless. Every firearm owner doesn't want that so it is like taking your gun away from you.
People want certain laws/bans on things. When that law/ban happens it usually means
A- keep what you have but have it documented to police. B- Sell it in another state that doesn't have that law/ban. c-keep it but after you pass away the firearm has to be given to the state.
So let's say you had something that was worth something, you lose the right to resell it and are left with something that is basically worthless. Every firearm owner doesn't want that so it is like taking your gun away from you.
Except for the part where you get to keep your gun.
Private sales emerge as obstacle to Senate action on guns
By MARY CLARE JALONICK
Today
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats in Congress are trying to pass the first major gun control legislation in more than two decades with the support of President Joe Biden, who said Thursday that it is “long past time” to do so. But they are confronting a potentially insurmountable question over what rules should govern private sales and transfers, including those between friends and extended family, as they seek Republican votes.
A bipartisan Senate compromise that was narrowly defeated eight years ago was focused on expanding checks to sales at gun shows and on the internet. But many Democrats and gun control advocates now want almost all sales and transfers to face a mandatory review, alienating Republicans who say extending the requirements would trample Second Amendment rights.
The dispute has been one of several hurdles in the renewed push for gun-control legislation, despite wide support for extending the checks. A small group of senators have engaged in tentative talks in the wake of recent mass shootings in Atlanta and Colorado, hoping to build on bipartisan proposals from the past. But support from at least 10 Republicans will be needed to get a bill through the Senate, and most are intractably opposed.
Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy, the lead Democratic negotiator on guns, said he’s been on the phone with Republican colleagues every day “making the case, cajoling, asking my friends to keep an open mind.” In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he’d discussed the negotiations personally with Biden on Thursday and that “he’s ready and willing to get more involved" in the talks.
“I think it’s important to keep the pressure on Congress,” Murphy said.
While pushing lawmakers to do more, Biden announced several executive actions to address gun violence, including new regulations for buyers of “ghost guns” — homemade firearms that usually are assembled from parts and often lack traceable serial numbers. Biden said Congress should act further to expand background checks because “the vast majority of the American people, including gun owners, believe there should be background checks before you purchase a gun.”
Still, the gulf between the two parties on private gun transactions, and a host of other related issues, has only grown since 2013, when Senate Democrats fell five votes short of passing legislation to expand background checks after a gunman killed 20 students and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut. That defeat was a crushing blow to advocates who had hoped for some change, however modest, after the horrific attack.
The compromise legislation, written by Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, flamed out again in 2016, after a mass shooting in Orlando.
Starting anew with Biden in the White House, Democrats are focused on legislation passed by the House that would expand background checks to most sales and increase the number of days a buyer has to wait if a background check is not finished. Murphy said there may not be an appetite to pass those House bills without changes, but after talking to most Republicans over the last several weeks he says he has “reason to believe there is a path forward.”
Under current law, background checks are required only when guns are purchased from federally licensed dealers. While there is agreement among some Republican lawmakers, and certainly among many GOP voters, for expanding the background checks, the issue becomes murkier when the sales are informal. Examples include if a hunter wants to sell one of his guns to a friend, for example, or to his neighbor or cousin — or if a criminal wants to sell a gun to another criminal.
Democrats say private sales can lead to gun trafficking.
“What a lot of people don’t know is that people engage in private sales but they do it constantly,” said California Rep. Mike Thompson, the lead sponsor of the House bill. “They could sell hundreds of guns a year, quote-unquote, privately.”
Republicans say that requiring a background check for a sale or transfer between people who know each other would be a bridge too far. Toomey says Democrats won’t get 60 votes if they insist upon it.
“Between the sales that already occur at licensed firearms dealers, all of which require a background check, and what we consider commercial sales — advertised sales, gun shows and on the internet — that covers a vast, vast majority of all transactions,” Toomey said. “And it would be progress if we have background checks for those categories.”
Manchin also opposes the House bill requiring the universal background checks. “I come from a gun culture,” Manchin said in March. “And a law-abiding gun owner would do the right thing, you have to assume they will do the right thing.”
Murphy hinted that Democrats might be willing to compromise somewhat on the scope, saying he is committed to universal background checks, but he won't “let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
The House bill would apply background checks to almost all sales, with certain exceptions — including an inheritance or a “loan or bona fide gift” between close family members. Other exemptions include temporary transfers to people who need a firearm to prevent “imminent death” or are hunting.
The Manchin-Toomey compromise in 2013 included additional measures to lure support from Republicans and the National Rifle Association, which eventually opposed the bill. Those included an expansion of some interstate gun sales and a shorter period for background checks that weren't completed — a deal-breaker for Democrats and gun control groups today.
Christian Heyne, vice president of policy at Brady Campaign, said the advocacy groups “will not allow allow for gun industry carveouts to be part of the next piece of legislation that the Senate votes on.” The bill should be “fundamentally different” than eight years ago, he said, since their movement has “only grown in momentum and strength.”
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has said he will bring gun legislation to the floor with or without 60 votes, but he has tasked Murphy with trying to reach a deal first. Murphy says that if they could win enough votes on the background checks bill, it could pave the way for even tougher measures like the assault weapons ban Biden has backed.
But most Republicans are unlikely to budge. And the NRA, while weakened by some infighting and financial disputes, is still a powerful force in GOP campaigns.
In a statement, the NRA said the House bills would restrict gun owners’ rights and “our membership has already sent hundreds of thousands of messages to their senators urging them to vote against these bills.”
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Yes please let’s see Texas deal with another freeze they could barely survive this past winter without crying for help from the fed!
Yes because of our corrupt government all of us, more Biden voters than most other states, should die and be killed by ineptitude, thanks you two.
Time for Tejas repubs to come to their senses and stop being the POOTWH Party or, as the chair of the Tejas State Repub party believes, secede already. Didn’t say “Biden voters should die and be killed by ineptitude,” but I do wonder if it should be a cause of death on a death certificate?
Yes please let’s see Texas deal with another freeze they could barely survive this past winter without crying for help from the fed!
Yes because of our corrupt government all of us, more Biden voters than most other states, should die and be killed by ineptitude, thanks you two.
Time for Tejas repubs to come to their senses and stop being the POOTWH Party or, as the chair of the Tejas State Repub party believes, secede already. Didn’t say “Biden voters should die and be killed by ineptitude,” but I do wonder if it should be a cause of death on a death certificate?
This place is rigged, that’s unquestionable. What are we supposed to do. I mean the GOP is trying to recruit armies of “poll watchers” to make sure only “legal votes” are counted next election. We seriously need federal intervention. Abolishing the filibuster and passing the voting rights act would go a long way. Edit: not to mention the gerrymandering, you should see ol one eye’s district.
Yes please let’s see Texas deal with another freeze they could barely survive this past winter without crying for help from the fed!
Yes because of our corrupt government all of us, more Biden voters than most other states, should die and be killed by ineptitude, thanks you two.
Time for Tejas repubs to come to their senses and stop being the POOTWH Party or, as the chair of the Tejas State Repub party believes, secede already. Didn’t say “Biden voters should die and be killed by ineptitude,” but I do wonder if it should be a cause of death on a death certificate?
This place is rigged, that’s unquestionable. What are we supposed to do. I mean the GOP is trying to recruit armies of “poll watchers” to make sure only “legal votes” are counted next election. We seriously need federal intervention. Abolishing the filibuster and passing the voting rights act would go a long way. Edit: not to mention the gerrymandering, you should see ol one eye’s district.
Move? Have more kids and brainwash them to be libs? Seriously, I’m personally never stepping foot in Tejas or spending money there. I don’t care how many PJ shows are played there.
these people are going to keep fucking around until the government takes away their guns.
You've got it all wrong. It won't be solved until the government gives away guns, issued at birth like a social security number. Hospital staff will come into your recovery room with a catalog so you can select the weapon of choice for your new born child. To incentivize it, they'll give you a 50% off coupon for your first ER visit.
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I’ll be curious to know how they are planning on preventing “ghost guns” as they call them. Are they going to ban drill bits and plastic? I don’t like people making them, but don’t really see how they are going to stop them.
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NEW YORK — A man shot and killed three people Monday night at a New York City apartment where a birthday party was being held for his 9-year-old daughter, police said.
Joseph McCrimons killed the mother of his child and two of her daughters before killing himself, police said. His body was found in a walkway with two guns nearby.
The shooting happened around 11:15 p.m. in the Van Dyke Houses, a public housing complex in Brooklyn’s Brownsville neighborhood, police said.
NYPD Chief of Detectives James Essig said McCrimons, 46, had been in a relationship with his child’s mother, Rasheeda Barzey, for 20 years.
McCrimons, who in other records is listed with the last name McCrimon, served more than eight years in state prison for a Long Island manslaughter conviction. He was released in 2003.
There was no history of domestic violence between McCrimons and Barzey and no prior 911 calls involving them, Essig said, but lately the relationship has been “very rocky.”
“We know he left in an agitated state to meet her,” Essig told reporters Tuesday.
McCrimons and Barzey’s 9-year-old daughter called 911. According to Essig, she told the dispatcher: “Daddy’s coming from my birthday... he didn’t bring presents.”
“It’s really heart wrenching,” the veteran police commander said.
Officers responding to the fourth floor apartment found Barzey, 45, and her two daughters — Solei Spears, 20, and Chloe Spears, 16 — all dead from gunshot wounds, Essig said.
Solei and Chloe Spears were Barzey’s daughters with a different father, they said.
Police Commissioner Dermot Shea said he spent the morning reviewing footage from the officers’ body cameras.
Shea said seeing the young girl who called 911 “would tear your heart out.”
Mayor Bill de Blasio, speaking at a virtual news briefing, called the shootings “a really troubling and tragic situation.”
Police: Man kills 3, himself at daughter’s birthday in NYC - The Washington Post
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No means yes.
A- keep what you have but have it documented to police.
B- Sell it in another state that doesn't have that law/ban.
c-keep it but after you pass away the firearm has to be given to the state.
So let's say you had something that was worth something, you lose the right to resell it and are left with something that is basically worthless. Every firearm owner doesn't want that so it is like taking your gun away from you.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats in Congress are trying to pass the first major gun control legislation in more than two decades with the support of President Joe Biden, who said Thursday that it is “long past time” to do so. But they are confronting a potentially insurmountable question over what rules should govern private sales and transfers, including those between friends and extended family, as they seek Republican votes.
A bipartisan Senate compromise that was narrowly defeated eight years ago was focused on expanding checks to sales at gun shows and on the internet. But many Democrats and gun control advocates now want almost all sales and transfers to face a mandatory review, alienating Republicans who say extending the requirements would trample Second Amendment rights.
The dispute has been one of several hurdles in the renewed push for gun-control legislation, despite wide support for extending the checks. A small group of senators have engaged in tentative talks in the wake of recent mass shootings in Atlanta and Colorado, hoping to build on bipartisan proposals from the past. But support from at least 10 Republicans will be needed to get a bill through the Senate, and most are intractably opposed.
Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy, the lead Democratic negotiator on guns, said he’s been on the phone with Republican colleagues every day “making the case, cajoling, asking my friends to keep an open mind.” In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he’d discussed the negotiations personally with Biden on Thursday and that “he’s ready and willing to get more involved" in the talks.
“I think it’s important to keep the pressure on Congress,” Murphy said.
While pushing lawmakers to do more, Biden announced several executive actions to address gun violence, including new regulations for buyers of “ghost guns” — homemade firearms that usually are assembled from parts and often lack traceable serial numbers. Biden said Congress should act further to expand background checks because “the vast majority of the American people, including gun owners, believe there should be background checks before you purchase a gun.”
Still, the gulf between the two parties on private gun transactions, and a host of other related issues, has only grown since 2013, when Senate Democrats fell five votes short of passing legislation to expand background checks after a gunman killed 20 students and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut. That defeat was a crushing blow to advocates who had hoped for some change, however modest, after the horrific attack.
The compromise legislation, written by Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, flamed out again in 2016, after a mass shooting in Orlando.
Starting anew with Biden in the White House, Democrats are focused on legislation passed by the House that would expand background checks to most sales and increase the number of days a buyer has to wait if a background check is not finished. Murphy said there may not be an appetite to pass those House bills without changes, but after talking to most Republicans over the last several weeks he says he has “reason to believe there is a path forward.”
Under current law, background checks are required only when guns are purchased from federally licensed dealers. While there is agreement among some Republican lawmakers, and certainly among many GOP voters, for expanding the background checks, the issue becomes murkier when the sales are informal. Examples include if a hunter wants to sell one of his guns to a friend, for example, or to his neighbor or cousin — or if a criminal wants to sell a gun to another criminal.
Democrats say private sales can lead to gun trafficking.
“What a lot of people don’t know is that people engage in private sales but they do it constantly,” said California Rep. Mike Thompson, the lead sponsor of the House bill. “They could sell hundreds of guns a year, quote-unquote, privately.”
Republicans say that requiring a background check for a sale or transfer between people who know each other would be a bridge too far. Toomey says Democrats won’t get 60 votes if they insist upon it.
“Between the sales that already occur at licensed firearms dealers, all of which require a background check, and what we consider commercial sales — advertised sales, gun shows and on the internet — that covers a vast, vast majority of all transactions,” Toomey said. “And it would be progress if we have background checks for those categories.”
Manchin also opposes the House bill requiring the universal background checks. “I come from a gun culture,” Manchin said in March. “And a law-abiding gun owner would do the right thing, you have to assume they will do the right thing.”
Murphy hinted that Democrats might be willing to compromise somewhat on the scope, saying he is committed to universal background checks, but he won't “let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
The House bill would apply background checks to almost all sales, with certain exceptions — including an inheritance or a “loan or bona fide gift” between close family members. Other exemptions include temporary transfers to people who need a firearm to prevent “imminent death” or are hunting.
The Manchin-Toomey compromise in 2013 included additional measures to lure support from Republicans and the National Rifle Association, which eventually opposed the bill. Those included an expansion of some interstate gun sales and a shorter period for background checks that weren't completed — a deal-breaker for Democrats and gun control groups today.
Christian Heyne, vice president of policy at Brady Campaign, said the advocacy groups “will not allow allow for gun industry carveouts to be part of the next piece of legislation that the Senate votes on.” The bill should be “fundamentally different” than eight years ago, he said, since their movement has “only grown in momentum and strength.”
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has said he will bring gun legislation to the floor with or without 60 votes, but he has tasked Murphy with trying to reach a deal first. Murphy says that if they could win enough votes on the background checks bill, it could pave the way for even tougher measures like the assault weapons ban Biden has backed.
But most Republicans are unlikely to budge. And the NRA, while weakened by some infighting and financial disputes, is still a powerful force in GOP campaigns.
In a statement, the NRA said the House bills would restrict gun owners’ rights and “our membership has already sent hundreds of thousands of messages to their senators urging them to vote against these bills.”
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Stop calling these terrible accidents just call it what it is Negligence fucking moron dad!
“‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens”
The children of gun owners kill other children
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these people are going to keep fucking around until the government takes away their guns.
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