America's Gun Violence

benjs

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

Why is it that gun owners can be stereotyped  but nobody else can be on these forums?

Seems everyone stereotypes each other on here (snowflake liberals, hypocritical Democrats, redneck gun-toters, racist Trump supporters, etc). Not sure where you see this as a uniquely gun-focused phenomena. To be clear, I am not condoning or agreeing with any of those examples, just saying I’ve seen them on here.

Thoughts_Arrive

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

Why is it that gun owners can be stereotyped  but nobody else can be on these forums?

Seems everyone stereotypes each other on here (snowflake liberals, hypocritical Democrats, redneck gun-toters, racist Trump supporters, etc). Not sure where you see this as a uniquely gun-focused phenomena. To be clear, I am not condoning or agreeing with any of those examples, just saying I’ve seen them on here.

You forgot to add in parentheses, jews.

mcgruff10

dudeman said:

mcgruff10 said:

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

very well received by gun owners?  which model and make are gun owners flocking towards?  

I have two Hornady Rapid safes. Most of my shooting friends either have those or the Gun Vault biometric safes.

The point is, these are already available and people buy them, even though they are not required to by law.

So called "Smart Gun" technology has not been effectively implemented and is likely to be met with resistance by the shooting public, especially if it becomes a legal requirement. 

Imagine having to retrofit your Garand with electronics in order to be able to legally own it. No thanks, not for me.

Smart safes and storage requirements? Sure. I  already do that anyway.

My bad I didn’t read your comment right, I thought you were saying that smart guns have been well received by gun owners. 

mcgruff10

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

Just so we get a clear picture of the whole article (same article as above):

After this story was originally published, Jared Keller, a senior editor at the site Task & Purpose, noted that the Department of Defense releases offered an incomplete picture of service member fatalities. Separate data compiled by the Navy, including the Marines, adds another seven casualties to the total, excluding motor vehicle accidents. In May, an Air National Guard plane crashed in Georgia killing another nine — an incident not included in the Department of Defense’s reports.
The figures for 2018 do not suggest schools are more dangerous than combat zones. After all, there are more than 50 million students in public elementary and high schools and only about 1.3 million members of the armed forces. So far in 2018, a member of the military has been about 40 times as likely to be killed as someone is to die in a school shooting, including Keller’s revised figures.

i guess you missed the part about deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. If deaths in Georgia by military personnel make you feel better about high school students being killed then so be it.  i do find it a bit odd that a teacher seems more concerned with defending his right to own guns than children being killed at school. all based on a something written over 200 years ago.  yea haw we can't be having the gubment cum for our guns now fella.

Of course it doesn't make me feel better but I read the whole article and found out there was more to it than what was posted.  

mcgruff10

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

Why is it that gun owners can be stereotyped  but nobody else can be on these forums?

Is it a stereotype?  you love hunting.  What laws do you want passed so school shootings quit happening in the the only country where it happens?

I"ve said my opinion quite a bit but after reading this morning I found these three that I really like and would want legislators to endorse:

1. Suspend concealed-carry permits for improper storage. If you have your weapon stolen from your unlocked vehicle, then you should have your concealed-carry permit suspended for a specific period of time. Say up to a year.

2. Federal prison for those in possession of illegal guns. This idea comes from the Richmond, Virginia, program Project Exile. The program, which was suspended in 2016 and is now being reconsidered, was such that if you are caught with an illegal gun, you don't go to state court and get charged with the state-level crime. You go to federal court.

Richmond teamed up with its local U.S. attorney to charge anyone caught with an illegal weapon, either stolen or a person prohibited from owning a weapon, with a federal crime that carries a mandatory minimum sentence of five years.

3. Liability insurance. People would likely change their behavior if they were on the hook for potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages.

benjs

Thoughts_Arrive said:

benjs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

Why is it that gun owners can be stereotyped  but nobody else can be on these forums?

Seems everyone stereotypes each other on here (snowflake liberals, hypocritical Democrats, redneck gun-toters, racist Trump supporters, etc). Not sure where you see this as a uniquely gun-focused phenomena. To be clear, I am not condoning or agreeing with any of those examples, just saying I’ve seen them on here.

You forgot to add in parentheses, jews.

Wouldn’t that go under etc.? Haven’t actually seen stereotypes about Jews here since a ban a few years back.

josevolution

dudeman said:

mcgruff10 said:

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

very well received by gun owners?  which model and make are gun owners flocking towards?  

I have two Hornady Rapid safes. Most of my shooting friends either have those or the Gun Vault biometric safes.

The point is, these are already available and people buy them, even though they are not required to by law.

So called "Smart Gun" technology has not been effectively implemented and is likely to be met with resistance by the shooting public, especially if it becomes a legal requirement. 

Imagine having to retrofit your Garand with electronics in order to be able to legally own it. No thanks, not for me.

Smart safes and storage requirements? Sure. I  already do that anyway.

No the poster said they can start by making them now not going back to retrofit all the existing guns ! 

josevolution

Texas school had a shooting plan, armed officers and practice. And still 10 people died. - The Washington Post https://apple.news/AuI7r7iDsTTmC1kCcUONx8A

josevolution

2018
Students killed = 31
Active military personnel =29
What a race ha how many more to come with 7 more months to go in the Year..

dignin

dudeman said:

Parenting.

Yeah, that's it. We will just tell everyone to be better parents. Why hasn't this been thought of before?

dignin

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

Research suggests it's largely because they're anxious about their ability to protect their families, insecure about their place in the job market and beset by racial fears

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-are-white-men-stockpiling-guns/

josevolution

dignin said:

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

Research suggests it's largely because they're anxious about their ability to protect their families, insecure about their place in the job market and beset by racial fears

http://www.businessinsider.com/people-increased-facebook-usage-after-cambridge-analytica-scandal-2018-5

Yep afraid of the brown man , Where’s the white women at! 

my2hands

dignin said:

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

Research suggests it's largely because they're anxious about their ability to protect their families, insecure about their place in the job market and beset by racial fears

http://www.businessinsider.com/people-increased-facebook-usage-after-cambridge-analytica-scandal-2018-5

You linked the wrong article my friend,  would love to see the one you reference because I tend to agree with it

my2hands

josevolution said:

dignin said:

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

Research suggests it's largely because they're anxious about their ability to protect their families, insecure about their place in the job market and beset by racial fears

http://www.businessinsider.com/people-increased-facebook-usage-after-cambridge-analytica-scandal-2018-5

Yep afraid of the brown man , Where’s the white women at! 

Lol you're fucking hilarious Jose!

wndowpayne

dignin said:

dudeman said:

Parenting.

Yeah, that's it. We will just tell everyone to be better parents. Why hasn't this been thought of before?

   Thats absolutely step one..start putting a foot up your kids ass when he does stupid things.Find out who they hang out with and be nosy. If your kid is wearing a long, black coat everywhere, then there may be an issue.

josevolution

wndowpayne said:

dignin said:

dudeman said:

Parenting.

Yeah, that's it. We will just tell everyone to be better parents. Why hasn't this been thought of before?

   Thats absolutely step one..start putting a foot up your kids ass when he does stupid things.Find out who they hang out with and be nosy. If your kid is wearing a long, black coat everywhere, then there may be an issue.

http://abc7news.com/amp/family-of-alleged-santa-fe-high-school-shooter-issues-statement/3496479/

wndowpayne

What do you expect them to say..He was evil and we knew this was gonna happen?

dignin

my2hands said:

dignin said:

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

Research suggests it's largely because they're anxious about their ability to protect their families, insecure about their place in the job market and beset by racial fears

http://www.businessinsider.com/people-increased-facebook-usage-after-cambridge-analytica-scandal-2018-5

You linked the wrong article my friend,  would love to see the one you reference because I tend to agree with it

Sorry, still pretty early I guess.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-are-white-men-stockpiling-guns/

josevolution

wndowpayne said:

What do you expect them to say..He was evil and we knew this was gonna happen?

You missed the point of it , you stated start by putting a foot in your kids ass and the statement says they didn’t see anything alarming about his behavior, even with strict vigilance of Kids this can happen, even with plans of security at school this can happen ! Putting a foot in your kids ass doesn’t prevent anything ! And I have to ask are you a parent ? 

mrussel1

LongestRoad said:

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday. 

Violent video games, social media, bullying...these are all things that have been blamed.  However, these problems exist all over the western world, yet the gun violence does not.   I think it's obvious where the US stands out as different than the rest of the western world.