America's Gun Violence

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

USA USA USA!!!

https://twitter.com/marchilberer/status/997531945977475073?s=21

Buh buh buh emails.

What does that have to do with shootings? As far as I know Trump is. It responsible for any of them, and Hilary wouldn’t have prevented them either. Not sure how this response fits into the conversation.

Jeesh Mace, Really? Did you look at the stats? Do they not concern you? I mean amongst the realitively rest of the civilized world? And your side, I’m safe I’m assuming your side as in Team Trump Treason supporter, thinks Team Trump Treason might actually act? You ok with the stats? Do you really think Hillary might have done anything different? 

By by the way, how’s thoughts and prayers working out?

Jeesh! Because you’d rather focus on “her” emails than own up to the “responsible “ gun owners and lobby and industry, until they’re not. Nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers
 

I have several times told myself to stop responding to your bait. But I just cant help it. Partially because I am so easily entertained by it.

Where to start?
I'd rather focus on her emails? That is laughable because you are the only one I've seen bring it up. Only one person brought up Hilary and her emails on this thread, and that was you. All I did was ask why you brought it up and what it had to do with this topic? And by asking what does that have to do with this discussion you go to accusing me of deflecting the focus? I'm just baffled sometimes how you come up with this stuff.

I've never once said "thoughts and prayers." But you decide to mock me for it twice anyway in as your response to me asking why you brought up Hillary's emails in this topic.

I've never once said "nothing can be done." Again, I've said many times I am for most of the gun control suggestions that are mentioned here

I have never said the stats don;t concern me. They do. I have said many times I am for gun control. There are only a few out of the many that have been suggested that I would not be for. 90% of the suggested gun control I would support.

Asking why you brought up Hilary's emails sure brought up a lot of odd accusations.

Since you brought her up and since you asked I will answer. No, I don;t think anything would be different if Hillary was in office. Mass and school shootings have been on a consistent rise for nearly 30 years. Each president has seen more shootings than the one before him. This is not a new problem since Trump took office, and there would still be a gun problem if someone else was in there. Unless you think Hillary would have created some serious gun control measures in the first 18 months, nothing would be different.

Thanks for the entertainment today.

wndowpayne

America..Quit fucking shooting each other..real easy fix.

wndowpayne

I've gone 51 1/2 years..never shot a single person..

rgambs

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Legitimate question: What has Texas done regarding anything to prevent what happened today between the church shooting that killed 26 and today? Other than thoughts and prayers?

What would you suggest be done that would have prevented this one?  He used a .38 Revolver and a Shotgun...?

What would you suggest be done about this ? 

Idk, what would you suggest?

Really? You don’t know?

Nope, do you?  What would have stopped this most recent event where a revolver and shotgun were used by a 17 year old?
Assault weapons ban-nope
minimim age requirements-nope
background checks-nope
waiting periods-nope

Locked up? Yup.
Stored elsewhere? Yup.

Care to elaborate?  How would your fairy tale laws read?

Maybe you can? But I kind of doubt it because all you got is nothing.
 

That’s right, nothing.

I don't understand your point.  I offered three suggestions that would have helped prevent this tragedy.  He touches on them as well.  I'll try again:
1. Law around gun cabinets
2. Trigger locks
3. Fingerprint sensors to enable the trigger mechanism.  The technology absolutely exists.  

Do you believe that if 1. Any of these laws existed and were required and 2. the law abiding father followed the law, that this tragedy could not have been averted?

I have zero faith in number three. Technology fails at times, no way I would ever buy a gun like that. 
The first two are great. 

I agree.
Except I’m not worried about technology failing, #3 just doesn’t interest me. And is not needed if you have the first 2.

It might have interested twenty people in a high school in Texas, even though it didn’t interest you.

That one didn’t interest me because it isn’t practical. You can’t implement that technology onto existing guns (well, you can, but they wouldn’t mandate it). I’ve never met a gun owner who is in favor of it, it isn’t practical for practice or training with others. And mostly, wouldn’t make a difference if the were properly locked to begin with.

This is an attitude that makes people want to punch people like you lol
Seriously though, when gun nutters start their hobby talk it's fucking disgusting. 
When practicality for "training" and getting your heehaws with your buddies is a higher priority than highschool kids' lives...
FUCK YOUR FUCKING HOBBY!!!

Your last statement is just ignorant.  You know better, you absolutely know that statement is ignorant, but damnit, your range time might be less convenient so you'd better persist!

And it’s because of responses like this, calling my someone who goes shooting maybe once a year a gun nutter, and calling me disgusting and wanting to punch me in the face when I say I agree with laws to hold parents responsible, and agree with laws to require proper storage of guns, but don’t see fingerprint technology as practical or ass efficient. That’s exactly why there’s some out there who believe the anti gun crowd is unwilling to compromise. Based on your respones you’d think I said give every kid a gun or something. You won;t admit it, but it is statements like this that fuel that fear of "they won't stop until my guns are gone." I personally don't believe that, but when these responses are what we've come to expect, no wonder so many people think that.
I agreed with 2 out of the 3 suggested measures and this is the response that it gets. But gun people are the ones unwilling to work on a solution?
Sorry to tell you, but that fingerprint technology will never fly in my lifetime. For many reasons. Too many guns already out there without it. I imagine it would be easy to disable it, and yes, avid gun hobbyists wouldn't want it. Why not focus on things that can and would make a difference? Like the other 2 ideas I said were great. Instead of attacking someone who is for most measures for disagree on the one thing that was mentioned. 
Responses like that only make the pro-gun side not want to discuss and compromise. But I'm the disgusting one for wanting realistic changes. Okay. 
 

I must apologize, I posted under the influence and it didn't go as I expected.
I didn't mean for it to sound so personal, I was responding to you but not wishing to punch you and not meaning to pin all the annoying hobbyist comments I've seen on you alone.  But that's exactly the way it reads so that was a communication fail on my part.

I do get very annoyed that people bring their enjoyment level of their hobby into such a serious discussion about how to save children's lives, but I shouldn't let comments from people who aren't nearly as reasonable on the topic as you are bleed through.

dudeman

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

Smellyman

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

mrussel1

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

Well the people on the right side of the spectrum here are the ones criticizing it.  I'm a moderate,  and a pro gun control, gun owner.  I'd buy them if I were inclined to buy another gun though. However I seem to be in the minority of owners here. 

dudeman

mrussel1 said:

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

Well the people on the right side of the spectrum here are the ones criticizing it.  I'm a moderate,  and a pro gun control, gun owner.  I'd buy them if I were inclined to buy another gun though. However I seem to be in the minority of owners here. 

I think you and I have pretty similar positions here.

mcgruff10

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

very well received by gun owners?  which model and make are gun owners flocking towards?  

mace1229

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Legitimate question: What has Texas done regarding anything to prevent what happened today between the church shooting that killed 26 and today? Other than thoughts and prayers?

What would you suggest be done that would have prevented this one?  He used a .38 Revolver and a Shotgun...?

What would you suggest be done about this ? 

Idk, what would you suggest?

Really? You don’t know?

Nope, do you?  What would have stopped this most recent event where a revolver and shotgun were used by a 17 year old?
Assault weapons ban-nope
minimim age requirements-nope
background checks-nope
waiting periods-nope

Locked up? Yup.
Stored elsewhere? Yup.

Care to elaborate?  How would your fairy tale laws read?

Maybe you can? But I kind of doubt it because all you got is nothing.
 

That’s right, nothing.

I don't understand your point.  I offered three suggestions that would have helped prevent this tragedy.  He touches on them as well.  I'll try again:
1. Law around gun cabinets
2. Trigger locks
3. Fingerprint sensors to enable the trigger mechanism.  The technology absolutely exists.  

Do you believe that if 1. Any of these laws existed and were required and 2. the law abiding father followed the law, that this tragedy could not have been averted?

I have zero faith in number three. Technology fails at times, no way I would ever buy a gun like that. 
The first two are great. 

I agree.
Except I’m not worried about technology failing, #3 just doesn’t interest me. And is not needed if you have the first 2.

It might have interested twenty people in a high school in Texas, even though it didn’t interest you.

That one didn’t interest me because it isn’t practical. You can’t implement that technology onto existing guns (well, you can, but they wouldn’t mandate it). I’ve never met a gun owner who is in favor of it, it isn’t practical for practice or training with others. And mostly, wouldn’t make a difference if the were properly locked to begin with.

This is an attitude that makes people want to punch people like you lol
Seriously though, when gun nutters start their hobby talk it's fucking disgusting. 
When practicality for "training" and getting your heehaws with your buddies is a higher priority than highschool kids' lives...
FUCK YOUR FUCKING HOBBY!!!

Your last statement is just ignorant.  You know better, you absolutely know that statement is ignorant, but damnit, your range time might be less convenient so you'd better persist!

And it’s because of responses like this, calling my someone who goes shooting maybe once a year a gun nutter, and calling me disgusting and wanting to punch me in the face when I say I agree with laws to hold parents responsible, and agree with laws to require proper storage of guns, but don’t see fingerprint technology as practical or ass efficient. That’s exactly why there’s some out there who believe the anti gun crowd is unwilling to compromise. Based on your respones you’d think I said give every kid a gun or something. You won;t admit it, but it is statements like this that fuel that fear of "they won't stop until my guns are gone." I personally don't believe that, but when these responses are what we've come to expect, no wonder so many people think that.
I agreed with 2 out of the 3 suggested measures and this is the response that it gets. But gun people are the ones unwilling to work on a solution?
Sorry to tell you, but that fingerprint technology will never fly in my lifetime. For many reasons. Too many guns already out there without it. I imagine it would be easy to disable it, and yes, avid gun hobbyists wouldn't want it. Why not focus on things that can and would make a difference? Like the other 2 ideas I said were great. Instead of attacking someone who is for most measures for disagree on the one thing that was mentioned. 
Responses like that only make the pro-gun side not want to discuss and compromise. But I'm the disgusting one for wanting realistic changes. Okay. 
 

I must apologize, I posted under the influence and it didn't go as I expected.
I didn't mean for it to sound so personal, I was responding to you but not wishing to punch you and not meaning to pin all the annoying hobbyist comments I've seen on you alone.  But that's exactly the way it reads so that was a communication fail on my part.

I do get very annoyed that people bring their enjoyment level of their hobby into such a serious discussion about how to save children's lives, but I shouldn't let comments from people who aren't nearly as reasonable on the topic as you are bleed through.

Haha it’s okay. Thank you. It’s Saturday, I should be under the influence too.

Thoughts_Arrive

Smellyman said:

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

hahaha

LongestRoad

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday. 

mcgruff10

Smellyman said:

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

Why is it that gun owners can be stereotyped  but nobody else can be on these forums?

dudeman

mcgruff10 said:

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

very well received by gun owners?  which model and make are gun owners flocking towards?  

I have two Hornady Rapid safes. Most of my shooting friends either have those or the Gun Vault biometric safes.

The point is, these are already available and people buy them, even though they are not required to by law.

So called "Smart Gun" technology has not been effectively implemented and is likely to be met with resistance by the shooting public, especially if it becomes a legal requirement. 

Imagine having to retrofit your Garand with electronics in order to be able to legally own it. No thanks, not for me.

Smart safes and storage requirements? Sure. I  already do that anyway.

Smellyman

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

I love hunting and killing animals. Shooting cans is fun but not quite the thrill of stalking an animal. It brings me much joy.  If a few kids and other random people need to die for my fun.  so be it.

Why is it that gun owners can be stereotyped  but nobody else can be on these forums?

Is it a stereotype?  you love hunting.  What laws do you want passed so school shootings quit happening in the the only country where it happens?

dudeman

What makes you so sure that laws are the answer?

Smellyman

dudeman said:

What makes you so sure that laws are the answer?

Status quo isn't.  Are you willing to try something?  If not laws what?

dudeman

Parenting.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dudeman said:

Parenting.

Well I'll be damned.

Problem solved.

pjhawks

mcgruff10 said:

Just so we get a clear picture of the whole article (same article as above):

After this story was originally published, Jared Keller, a senior editor at the site Task & Purpose, noted that the Department of Defense releases offered an incomplete picture of service member fatalities. Separate data compiled by the Navy, including the Marines, adds another seven casualties to the total, excluding motor vehicle accidents. In May, an Air National Guard plane crashed in Georgia killing another nine — an incident not included in the Department of Defense’s reports.
The figures for 2018 do not suggest schools are more dangerous than combat zones. After all, there are more than 50 million students in public elementary and high schools and only about 1.3 million members of the armed forces. So far in 2018, a member of the military has been about 40 times as likely to be killed as someone is to die in a school shooting, including Keller’s revised figures.

i guess you missed the part about deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. If deaths in Georgia by military personnel make you feel better about high school students being killed then so be it.  i do find it a bit odd that a teacher seems more concerned with defending his right to own guns than children being killed at school. all based on a something written over 200 years ago.  yea haw we can't be having the gubment cum for our guns now fella.