America's Gun Violence

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/indiana-police-ambush-by-gunman-who-allegedly-killed-neighbor-shown-in-dramatic-video.html

Just another day in Indiana

Guess that means we can’t talk about gun control for a while again....

Halifax2TheMax

Progress 

Gun-burning Army vet George Scott just won his Democratic House primary in Pennsylvania - Vox https://apple.news/AJ0dLMZEfS8qkL5aebHrnFQ

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/indiana-police-ambush-by-gunman-who-allegedly-killed-neighbor-shown-in-dramatic-video.html

Just another day in Indiana

Guess that means we can’t talk about gun control for a while again....

goddammit it's too soon

Halifax2TheMax

Another “responsible” gun owner until they weren’t. Or just another day in ‘Murica.

Five found dead inside Texas home, officials say - Fox News https://apple.news/As6JiJCDzTlyImcdQxudcFA

PJPOWER

“When confronted, the suspect started running away”...that’s how you stop a school shooting!

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/police-officer-confronts-armed-man-illinois-high-school/story?id=55204700

unsung

Yep, another good guy with a gun stops another bad guy with a gun. 

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/police-heroic-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-illinois-high-school/507-552615811

The Juggler

Halifax2TheMax said:

Another “responsible” gun owner until they weren’t. Or just another day in ‘Murica.

Five found dead inside Texas home, officials say - Fox News https://apple.news/As6JiJCDzTlyImcdQxudcFA

horrible...

Bentleyspop

unsung said:

Yep, another good guy with a gun stops another bad guy with a gun. 

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/police-heroic-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-illinois-high-school/507-552615811

Now I'm confused
Cops can be good guys too?
I thought all Cops were on the take and out to get you.

PJ_Soul

Bentleyspop said:

unsung said:

Yep, another good guy with a gun stops another bad guy with a gun. 

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/police-heroic-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-illinois-high-school/507-552615811

Now I'm confused
Cops can be good guys too?
I thought all Cops were on the take and out to get you.

I know you're being sarcastic (I think, lol), but I'm just curious... Besides those who are totally justified in feeling this way (i.e. black Americans in certain neighborhoods/cities, etc), does anyone literally believe that? I know some right wingers want us to think so, but does anyone really? I've never met anyone who does. 

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

unsung said:

Yep, another good guy with a gun stops another bad guy with a gun. 

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/police-heroic-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-illinois-high-school/507-552615811

Now I'm confused
Cops can be good guys too?
I thought all Cops were on the take and out to get you.

I know you're being sarcastic (I think, lol), but I'm just curious... Besides those who are totally justified in feeling this way (i.e. black Americans in certain neighborhoods/cities, etc), does anyone literally believe that? I know some right wingers want us to think so, but does anyone really? I've never met anyone who does. 

I don't know if they truly believe it, but you can scroll through the police abuse thread and find many comments that hit pretty close to that.
It is easy to find people who label cops pretty much the same way gun owners get labeled on this thread. They stereotype cops as racist power-hungry guys with a small penis.
It is easy to find users making same stereotypes of gun users here. You probably don't even have to go back a full page to find a reference to a small penis and a redneck. Now if they truly believe it or not I don't know.
But I don't think it is far fetched to believe there are some out there who think there is an abnormally large number of really bad cops.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

unsung said:

Yep, another good guy with a gun stops another bad guy with a gun. 

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/police-heroic-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-illinois-high-school/507-552615811

Now I'm confused
Cops can be good guys too?
I thought all Cops were on the take and out to get you.

I know you're being sarcastic (I think, lol), but I'm just curious... Besides those who are totally justified in feeling this way (i.e. black Americans in certain neighborhoods/cities, etc), does anyone literally believe that? I know some right wingers want us to think so, but does anyone really? I've never met anyone who does. 

I don't know if they truly believe it, but you can scroll through the police abuse thread and find many comments that hit pretty close to that.
It is easy to find people who label cops pretty much the same way gun owners get labeled on this thread. They stereotype cops as racist power-hungry guys with a small penis.
It is easy to find users making same stereotypes of gun users here. You probably don't even have to go back a full page to find a reference to a small penis and a redneck. Now if they truly believe it or not I don't know.
But I don't think it is far fetched to believe there are some out there who think there is an abnormally large number of really bad cops.

I follow that thread and I've never found that anyone thinks all cops are bad. I've seen plenty of people who believe that's what they're saying, but I've never found it was actually a justified accusation.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

unsung said:

Yep, another good guy with a gun stops another bad guy with a gun. 

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/police-heroic-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-illinois-high-school/507-552615811

Now I'm confused
Cops can be good guys too?
I thought all Cops were on the take and out to get you.

I know you're being sarcastic (I think, lol), but I'm just curious... Besides those who are totally justified in feeling this way (i.e. black Americans in certain neighborhoods/cities, etc), does anyone literally believe that? I know some right wingers want us to think so, but does anyone really? I've never met anyone who does. 

I don't know if they truly believe it, but you can scroll through the police abuse thread and find many comments that hit pretty close to that.
It is easy to find people who label cops pretty much the same way gun owners get labeled on this thread. They stereotype cops as racist power-hungry guys with a small penis.
It is easy to find users making same stereotypes of gun users here. You probably don't even have to go back a full page to find a reference to a small penis and a redneck. Now if they truly believe it or not I don't know.
But I don't think it is far fetched to believe there are some out there who think there is an abnormally large number of really bad cops.

Okay hang on a second. Time-out!

Are you saying gun owners actually have big dorks? And are not rednecks?

Whaaat... the... ? Well wtf do they have guns for then?

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Bentleyspop said:

unsung said:

Yep, another good guy with a gun stops another bad guy with a gun. 

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/police-heroic-officer-thwarts-mass-shooting-at-illinois-high-school/507-552615811

Now I'm confused
Cops can be good guys too?
I thought all Cops were on the take and out to get you.

I know you're being sarcastic (I think, lol), but I'm just curious... Besides those who are totally justified in feeling this way (i.e. black Americans in certain neighborhoods/cities, etc), does anyone literally believe that? I know some right wingers want us to think so, but does anyone really? I've never met anyone who does. 

I don't know if they truly believe it, but you can scroll through the police abuse thread and find many comments that hit pretty close to that.
It is easy to find people who label cops pretty much the same way gun owners get labeled on this thread. They stereotype cops as racist power-hungry guys with a small penis.
It is easy to find users making same stereotypes of gun users here. You probably don't even have to go back a full page to find a reference to a small penis and a redneck. Now if they truly believe it or not I don't know.
But I don't think it is far fetched to believe there are some out there who think there is an abnormally large number of really bad cops.

I follow that thread and I've never found that anyone thinks all cops are bad. I've seen plenty of people who believe that's what they're saying, but I've never found it was actually a justified accusation.

My take is different.
There have been more than one comment about cops just being power hungry and over-compensating for other things. Liking them to a kid who got picked on in school and wants a position of power. 
Maybe not that all cops are bad, but find racism in cases where there wasn't any.
There are several who consistently make remarks like "if he was white he'd still be alive" when referring to a police shootout. There have been no doubt some cases of bad police work, but a cop can't return fire on a black person without someone calling him racist and trigger happy. 
Like I said, pretty much what goes on in this thread I've seen applied to the cop thread too. Maybe no one has said gun owners are bad, but it is pretty clear many people think very low of anyone who owns a gun. 

RYME

the most under reported story in America today
Almost another mass shooting at High School graduation rehearsal yesterday in Dixon Illinois.
http://m.newser.com/story/259351/expelled-student-shows-up-at-graduation-rehearsal-with-gun.html

HesCalledDyer

I saw in Australia they had their worst mass shooting in 26 years recently.  7 dead.  Not a hundred, not dozens, not even double digits, not an accumulation of thousands within the last 3 months.  Seven.  And that's the worst in over a quarter century.  I wonder why?

Don't get me wrong, that's still 7 too many... but compared to the US... do we even bother to report on a shooting if "only" 7 people die?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HesCalledDyer said:

I saw in Australia they had their worst mass shooting in 26 years recently.  7 dead.  Not a hundred, not dozens, not even double digits, not an accumulation of thousands within the last 3 months.  Seven.  And that's the worst in over a quarter century.  I wonder why?

Don't get me wrong, that's still 7 too many... but compared to the US... do we even bother to report on a shooting if "only" 7 people die?

There's no question you guys are the champs.

mrussel1

RYME said:

the most under reported story in America today
Almost another mass shooting at High School graduation rehearsal yesterday in Dixon Illinois.
http://m.newser.com/story/259351/expelled-student-shows-up-at-graduation-rehearsal-with-gun.html

I don't think anyone has argued that cops shouldn't have guns.  It's people with heavy weaponry that worries me.  

cincybearcat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I saw in Australia they had their worst mass shooting in 26 years recently.  7 dead.  Not a hundred, not dozens, not even double digits, not an accumulation of thousands within the last 3 months.  Seven.  And that's the worst in over a quarter century.  I wonder why?

Don't get me wrong, that's still 7 too many... but compared to the US... do we even bother to report on a shooting if "only" 7 people die?

There's no question you guys are the champs.

U.....S......A.....UUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

oftenreading

HesCalledDyer said:

I saw in Australia they had their worst mass shooting in 26 years recently.  7 dead.  Not a hundred, not dozens, not even double digits, not an accumulation of thousands within the last 3 months.  Seven.  And that's the worst in over a quarter century.  I wonder why?

Don't get me wrong, that's still 7 too many... but compared to the US... do we even bother to report on a shooting if "only" 7 people die?

And all in the same family, too, so seems to be more of a domestic assault situation even though it more than qualifies as a mass killing. We occasionally hear about those, the last one being that one in the church, but mostly when they involve other people or there is something else newsworthy about them. Seven dead on its own doesn’t move the needle, unfortunately. 

HesCalledDyer

oftenreading said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I saw in Australia they had their worst mass shooting in 26 years recently.  7 dead.  Not a hundred, not dozens, not even double digits, not an accumulation of thousands within the last 3 months.  Seven.  And that's the worst in over a quarter century.  I wonder why?

Don't get me wrong, that's still 7 too many... but compared to the US... do we even bother to report on a shooting if "only" 7 people die?

And all in the same family, too, so seems to be more of a domestic assault situation even though it more than qualifies as a mass killing. We occasionally hear about those, the last one being that one in the church, but mostly when they involve other people or there is something else newsworthy about them. Seven dead on its own doesn’t move the needle, unfortunately. 

Wow, I hadn't heard any of the details.  But I'd say that changes the scope even further. This wasn't just some deranged lunatic shooting up a public place and 7 random people died, these were known (most likely pre-meditated) targets.