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America's Gun Violence

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,063
    OnWis97 said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/
    I understand being angry with someone flying a Nazi flag and wanting to do something about it, but how dumb can you be? Anyone willing to display a Nazi flag is obviously fucking crazy. That's the last type of person who's yard I'd be running up on. 

    OnWis97 said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
    The article says he "is in the Garfield County Detention Center on charges of shooting with the intent to kill and assault and battery with a deadly weapon."


    Didn't read closely...
    ...I can't imagine any conviction.  She went in his yard and grabbed something.  Assuming she's white, that changes the game a bit, I suppose.

    So is theft under generally considered sufficient justification to attempt to kill someone?
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 2,513
    OnWis97 said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/
    I understand being angry with someone flying a Nazi flag and wanting to do something about it, but how dumb can you be? Anyone willing to display a Nazi flag is obviously fucking crazy. That's the last type of person who's yard I'd be running up on. 

    OnWis97 said:
    murica.....

    Woman shot multiple times while trying to steal Nazi flag from Oklahoma man’s yard. https://fox4kc.com/news/woman-shot-multiple-times-while-trying-to-steal-nazi-flag-from-oklahoma-mans-yard/

    Crazy.  Obviously no charges will be filed.  She went on his property and tried to steal something.  In America (at least depending on state), that's his right.  And she should not do that, but why doesn't crap like this happen in other countries?  Do people not run into front yards and take signs in other countries?  Do people in other countries not feel that it's worth killing someone over?  Speaking for myself, if someone did that to me, I couldn't shoot them (even if I owned a gun).  Of course, mine would not be a nazi flag; it would be something like BLM.  But the principal is the same. While she doesn't have the right to do that, it's amazing to me that some people are just looking for an excuse...

    I could not live with taking a life (which is a very possible outcome of shooting at someone multiple times) because of what essentially amounts to a politically motivated prank (or, I guess, petty theft).
    The article says he "is in the Garfield County Detention Center on charges of shooting with the intent to kill and assault and battery with a deadly weapon."


    Didn't read closely...
    ...I can't imagine any conviction.  She went in his yard and grabbed something.  Assuming she's white, that changes the game a bit, I suppose.

    So is theft under generally considered sufficient justification to attempt to kill someone?
    Not in my opinion or where I live.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,667

    So is theft under generally considered sufficient justification to attempt to kill someone?

    Not to me. But in America?  When she went on his property?  I think he'll have a lot of "court of public opinion" backing (though the fact that it was a swastika flag will definitely impact that as opposed it having been a sign for a candidate or something).  On this very board, we had a discussion years ago about a guy who called 911 as his next-door neighbor's house was being burglarized.  The dispatcher told him to stay put...the burglars went out a window and he shot them.  I did not support this action. I was in the minority. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,698
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    Just another “responsible” gun owner, doing what “responsible” gun owners do. Is she “permitted” or was she given a gun, Willy nilly? Maybe that passes for Michigan’s gun safety course as she didn’t shoot anyone?
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 2,513
    I'd like to see what transpired before the filming began. This is straight up craziness. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,512
    dudeman said:
    I'd like to see what transpired before the filming began. This is straight up craziness. 
    Probably nothing that would legitimize leveling the threat of immediate death at someone.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    More “responsible” gun owners being responsible with those firearms they own. Sure am glad more blue states are encouraging gun ownership because we know gun owners are “responsible.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/spotsylvania-road-rage/2020/07/05/6e3a56ba-bf18-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,337
    More “responsible” gun owners being responsible with those firearms they own. Sure am glad more blue states are encouraging gun ownership because we know gun owners are “responsible.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/spotsylvania-road-rage/2020/07/05/6e3a56ba-bf18-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html

    Shootings way, way up in NYC. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,547
    nicknyr15 said:
    More “responsible” gun owners being responsible with those firearms they own. Sure am glad more blue states are encouraging gun ownership because we know gun owners are “responsible.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/spotsylvania-road-rage/2020/07/05/6e3a56ba-bf18-11ea-9fdd-b7ac6b051dc8_story.html

    Shootings way, way up in NYC. 
    So, this is my take on the recent uptick in NYC shootings.  Merely a theory.

    Isn't it amazing as soon as the plain clothes officers are disbanded the shootings go up?

    My theory is those shootings have always happened and they were never reported in the first place.  The paper work is finally getting filed so it makes it look like that a police presence is necessary and shines on them in a better light.

    This is a theory only.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    So, when are white "responsible" gun owners going to get their house in order? Why don't they do something about the violence? When will they care? Why doesn't anyone speak up for them and try to stop the gun violence in their communities?

    My social media timelines of late have been filled with outrage over the police killings of unarmed black citizens, but after a violent Fourth of July weekend around the nation that left several children dead, I noticed an uptick in snarky posts asking: “What about black-on-black crime? Why aren’t you protesting about that?”

    The “what about black-on-black crime” rejoinder usually is meant to imply that African Americans are indifferent to the thousands of young black men — and increasingly, black children — who are slain every year in gun violence. It insinuates that black people blithely accept killings by our own that have racked some communities for decades and only take to the streets when the crime is committed by white police officers.

    Long before March for Our Lives and Black Lives Matter dominated the headlines in recent years, African Americans were marching in crime-ridden neighborhoods to protest the killings. Davon McNeal, an 11-year-old fatally shot in Washington, D.C., on July 4, had just left an anti-violence community event when he was hit by a bullet. The event was put together by his mother, Crystal McNeal, who works as a “violence interrupter,” a job that has been created in several urban areas with a goal to mediate neighborhood disputes in an attempt to break the cycle of retaliatory killings. Black citizens have formed hundreds of such organizations to save teens so often caught up in that world. Black artists have written songs and made movies, urging youths to stop the violence.

    Many black people, desperate to stem the homicide rate that spiraled in the ’90s, even supported the Clinton crime bill, although some now criticize it as having hurt the black community more than it helped. A Gallup survey in 1994 found that nonwhite citizens favored it to a greater degree than white citizens, 58 percent compared with 49 percent.

    As a group, African Americans are consistently more likely to be concerned about crime than white Americans. They also are the staunchest supporters of tougher gun control laws, with 72 percent saying that controlling gun ownership is more important than protecting gun rights, compared with 40 percent of white people.

    White men, in fact, are the demographic most likely to oppose gun control laws of any kind, although statistics show that they might benefit most from them.

    That’s because the majority of the gun deaths in the United States are not homicides but suicides, and white men account for 74 percent of them. More than 288,000 white males fatally shot themselves between 1999 and 2018, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Having access to a gun triples the risk of death by suicide. In other words, if white men didn’t have so many guns, they would be much less likely to die.

    Despite the evidence, 60 percent of white Americans say gun ownership does more to protect people from crime than to put their personal safety at risk (35 percent), according to Pew. Black people by a similar margin (56 percent to 37 percent) say that gun ownership does more to endanger people’s personal safety.

    While most violent crime has fallen dramatically since the early 1990s, gun violence began rising again in recent years. In 2018, the most recent year for complete data, more than 22,000 Americans intentionally killed themselves with a gun and about 11,000 people were gun homicide victims. The suicide numbers inched up from the previous year, while homicides were down slightly.

    Efforts to reduce firearms deaths have been hindered not by community indifference but by a Congress afraid to cross the National Rifle Association and gun-rights supporters. Federally funded research into gun violence solutions ground to a halt after lawmakers passed the Dickey Amendment in 1996. The provision, pushed by the NRA, cut funding for the Centers for Disease Control’s study of the issue out of fear that it would be seen as federal agencies advocating for gun control.

    Even faced with repeated mass shootings that have killed hundreds of innocent people, including schoolchildren, Congress has refused to act. That’s how strongly Republicans and some otherwise liberal Democrats fear offending white voters in swing states more concerned with protecting Second Amendment rights than saving lives, including their own.

    Suicide affects white males in nearly every age group, with numbers beginning to rise in the late teen years and peaking in the mid-to-late 50s. But the rate remains high even among men in their 70s and 80s. The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention says that suicide most often is the result of treatable mental health issues and is related to brain functions that affect decision-making and behavioral control. As with the homicide rate, however, the reasons behind suicide are more complicated than a single issue. “Life stresses combined with known risk factors, such as childhood trauma, substance use — or even chronic physical pain — can contribute” to someone taking their life, the AFSP said.

    Similarly, research has found that many young black men — the group most likely to be perpetrators and victims of gun homicides — suffer from a condition similar to PTSD, brought on by repeated exposure to violence, extreme poverty, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse and other social ills that create a sense of hopelessness. A 2017 report in the Guardian newspaper found that much of America’s gun homicide problem “happens in a relatively small number of predictable places, often driven by predictable groups of high-risk people, and its burden is anything but random.”

    With so much media focus on urban homicides — many local news outlets keep a running tally — suicide, which kills twice as many people, gets comparatively less coverage. Some argue that suicide is a private matter that doesn’t impact the broader community. Prevention experts discourage news media from reporting intimate details of suicide cases because research has found that can lead to imitation in vulnerable people. But even general news stories about suicide have tended to focus more on the increasing rates among other demographic groups than on white men’s stark over-representation in the statistics. That seems to be changing now as the numbers climb. Still, the result of such historically lopsided coverage is that the public face of gun violence in this country is that of a young black man rather than a middle-aged white one.

    “Reporting the truth about who’s committing suicide would require acknowledging that the contemporary narrative — in which men in general and white men in particular are a universally privileged class and have no legitimate problems — is false,” columnist Armin Brott wrote last year in a health and wellness newsletter.

    When white men respond to their life circumstances with gun violence, it’s treated as a public health problem, brought on by mental illness and stress. When black men do, it’s portrayed almost solely as a criminal issue, caused by lawlessness and moral failing. The multiplier in both epidemics is lawmakers’ blind devotion to the NRA. Zealously protecting their right to bear arms has come at a huge cost, and as quiet as it is kept, it’s not just the black community that is paying.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/08/gun-deaths-affect-more-white-men-than-black-men/


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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,512
    So, when are white "responsible" gun owners going to get their house in order? Why don't they do something about the violence? When will they care? Why doesn't anyone speak up for them and try to stop the gun violence in their communities?

    My social media timelines of late have been filled with outrage over the police killings of unarmed black citizens, but after a violent Fourth of July weekend around the nation that left several children dead, I noticed an uptick in snarky posts asking: “What about black-on-black crime? Why aren’t you protesting about that?”

    The “what about black-on-black crime” rejoinder usually is meant to imply that African Americans are indifferent to the thousands of young black men — and increasingly, black children — who are slain every year in gun violence. It insinuates that black people blithely accept killings by our own that have racked some communities for decades and only take to the streets when the crime is committed by white police officers.

    Long before March for Our Lives and Black Lives Matter dominated the headlines in recent years, African Americans were marching in crime-ridden neighborhoods to protest the killings. Davon McNeal, an 11-year-old fatally shot in Washington, D.C., on July 4, had just left an anti-violence community event when he was hit by a bullet. The event was put together by his mother, Crystal McNeal, who works as a “violence interrupter,” a job that has been created in several urban areas with a goal to mediate neighborhood disputes in an attempt to break the cycle of retaliatory killings. Black citizens have formed hundreds of such organizations to save teens so often caught up in that world. Black artists have written songs and made movies, urging youths to stop the violence.

    Many black people, desperate to stem the homicide rate that spiraled in the ’90s, even supported the Clinton crime bill, although some now criticize it as having hurt the black community more than it helped. A Gallup survey in 1994 found that nonwhite citizens favored it to a greater degree than white citizens, 58 percent compared with 49 percent.

    As a group, African Americans are consistently more likely to be concerned about crime than white Americans. They also are the staunchest supporters of tougher gun control laws, with 72 percent saying that controlling gun ownership is more important than protecting gun rights, compared with 40 percent of white people.

    White men, in fact, are the demographic most likely to oppose gun control laws of any kind, although statistics show that they might benefit most from them.

    That’s because the majority of the gun deaths in the United States are not homicides but suicides, and white men account for 74 percent of them. More than 288,000 white males fatally shot themselves between 1999 and 2018, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Having access to a gun triples the risk of death by suicide. In other words, if white men didn’t have so many guns, they would be much less likely to die.

    Despite the evidence, 60 percent of white Americans say gun ownership does more to protect people from crime than to put their personal safety at risk (35 percent), according to Pew. Black people by a similar margin (56 percent to 37 percent) say that gun ownership does more to endanger people’s personal safety.

    While most violent crime has fallen dramatically since the early 1990s, gun violence began rising again in recent years. In 2018, the most recent year for complete data, more than 22,000 Americans intentionally killed themselves with a gun and about 11,000 people were gun homicide victims. The suicide numbers inched up from the previous year, while homicides were down slightly.

    Efforts to reduce firearms deaths have been hindered not by community indifference but by a Congress afraid to cross the National Rifle Association and gun-rights supporters. Federally funded research into gun violence solutions ground to a halt after lawmakers passed the Dickey Amendment in 1996. The provision, pushed by the NRA, cut funding for the Centers for Disease Control’s study of the issue out of fear that it would be seen as federal agencies advocating for gun control.

    Even faced with repeated mass shootings that have killed hundreds of innocent people, including schoolchildren, Congress has refused to act. That’s how strongly Republicans and some otherwise liberal Democrats fear offending white voters in swing states more concerned with protecting Second Amendment rights than saving lives, including their own.

    Suicide affects white males in nearly every age group, with numbers beginning to rise in the late teen years and peaking in the mid-to-late 50s. But the rate remains high even among men in their 70s and 80s. The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention says that suicide most often is the result of treatable mental health issues and is related to brain functions that affect decision-making and behavioral control. As with the homicide rate, however, the reasons behind suicide are more complicated than a single issue. “Life stresses combined with known risk factors, such as childhood trauma, substance use — or even chronic physical pain — can contribute” to someone taking their life, the AFSP said.

    Similarly, research has found that many young black men — the group most likely to be perpetrators and victims of gun homicides — suffer from a condition similar to PTSD, brought on by repeated exposure to violence, extreme poverty, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse and other social ills that create a sense of hopelessness. A 2017 report in the Guardian newspaper found that much of America’s gun homicide problem “happens in a relatively small number of predictable places, often driven by predictable groups of high-risk people, and its burden is anything but random.”

    With so much media focus on urban homicides — many local news outlets keep a running tally — suicide, which kills twice as many people, gets comparatively less coverage. Some argue that suicide is a private matter that doesn’t impact the broader community. Prevention experts discourage news media from reporting intimate details of suicide cases because research has found that can lead to imitation in vulnerable people. But even general news stories about suicide have tended to focus more on the increasing rates among other demographic groups than on white men’s stark over-representation in the statistics. That seems to be changing now as the numbers climb. Still, the result of such historically lopsided coverage is that the public face of gun violence in this country is that of a young black man rather than a middle-aged white one.

    “Reporting the truth about who’s committing suicide would require acknowledging that the contemporary narrative — in which men in general and white men in particular are a universally privileged class and have no legitimate problems — is false,” columnist Armin Brott wrote last year in a health and wellness newsletter.

    When white men respond to their life circumstances with gun violence, it’s treated as a public health problem, brought on by mental illness and stress. When black men do, it’s portrayed almost solely as a criminal issue, caused by lawlessness and moral failing. The multiplier in both epidemics is lawmakers’ blind devotion to the NRA. Zealously protecting their right to bear arms has come at a huge cost, and as quiet as it is kept, it’s not just the black community that is paying.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/08/gun-deaths-affect-more-white-men-than-black-men/


    We really have to do something about White gun violence. 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,698
    static111 said:
    So, when are white "responsible" gun owners going to get their house in order? Why don't they do something about the violence? When will they care? Why doesn't anyone speak up for them and try to stop the gun violence in their communities?

    My social media timelines of late have been filled with outrage over the police killings of unarmed black citizens, but after a violent Fourth of July weekend around the nation that left several children dead, I noticed an uptick in snarky posts asking: “What about black-on-black crime? Why aren’t you protesting about that?”

    The “what about black-on-black crime” rejoinder usually is meant to imply that African Americans are indifferent to the thousands of young black men — and increasingly, black children — who are slain every year in gun violence. It insinuates that black people blithely accept killings by our own that have racked some communities for decades and only take to the streets when the crime is committed by white police officers.

    Long before March for Our Lives and Black Lives Matter dominated the headlines in recent years, African Americans were marching in crime-ridden neighborhoods to protest the killings. Davon McNeal, an 11-year-old fatally shot in Washington, D.C., on July 4, had just left an anti-violence community event when he was hit by a bullet. The event was put together by his mother, Crystal McNeal, who works as a “violence interrupter,” a job that has been created in several urban areas with a goal to mediate neighborhood disputes in an attempt to break the cycle of retaliatory killings. Black citizens have formed hundreds of such organizations to save teens so often caught up in that world. Black artists have written songs and made movies, urging youths to stop the violence.

    Many black people, desperate to stem the homicide rate that spiraled in the ’90s, even supported the Clinton crime bill, although some now criticize it as having hurt the black community more than it helped. A Gallup survey in 1994 found that nonwhite citizens favored it to a greater degree than white citizens, 58 percent compared with 49 percent.

    As a group, African Americans are consistently more likely to be concerned about crime than white Americans. They also are the staunchest supporters of tougher gun control laws, with 72 percent saying that controlling gun ownership is more important than protecting gun rights, compared with 40 percent of white people.

    White men, in fact, are the demographic most likely to oppose gun control laws of any kind, although statistics show that they might benefit most from them.

    That’s because the majority of the gun deaths in the United States are not homicides but suicides, and white men account for 74 percent of them. More than 288,000 white males fatally shot themselves between 1999 and 2018, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Having access to a gun triples the risk of death by suicide. In other words, if white men didn’t have so many guns, they would be much less likely to die.

    Despite the evidence, 60 percent of white Americans say gun ownership does more to protect people from crime than to put their personal safety at risk (35 percent), according to Pew. Black people by a similar margin (56 percent to 37 percent) say that gun ownership does more to endanger people’s personal safety.

    While most violent crime has fallen dramatically since the early 1990s, gun violence began rising again in recent years. In 2018, the most recent year for complete data, more than 22,000 Americans intentionally killed themselves with a gun and about 11,000 people were gun homicide victims. The suicide numbers inched up from the previous year, while homicides were down slightly.

    Efforts to reduce firearms deaths have been hindered not by community indifference but by a Congress afraid to cross the National Rifle Association and gun-rights supporters. Federally funded research into gun violence solutions ground to a halt after lawmakers passed the Dickey Amendment in 1996. The provision, pushed by the NRA, cut funding for the Centers for Disease Control’s study of the issue out of fear that it would be seen as federal agencies advocating for gun control.

    Even faced with repeated mass shootings that have killed hundreds of innocent people, including schoolchildren, Congress has refused to act. That’s how strongly Republicans and some otherwise liberal Democrats fear offending white voters in swing states more concerned with protecting Second Amendment rights than saving lives, including their own.

    Suicide affects white males in nearly every age group, with numbers beginning to rise in the late teen years and peaking in the mid-to-late 50s. But the rate remains high even among men in their 70s and 80s. The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention says that suicide most often is the result of treatable mental health issues and is related to brain functions that affect decision-making and behavioral control. As with the homicide rate, however, the reasons behind suicide are more complicated than a single issue. “Life stresses combined with known risk factors, such as childhood trauma, substance use — or even chronic physical pain — can contribute” to someone taking their life, the AFSP said.

    Similarly, research has found that many young black men — the group most likely to be perpetrators and victims of gun homicides — suffer from a condition similar to PTSD, brought on by repeated exposure to violence, extreme poverty, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse and other social ills that create a sense of hopelessness. A 2017 report in the Guardian newspaper found that much of America’s gun homicide problem “happens in a relatively small number of predictable places, often driven by predictable groups of high-risk people, and its burden is anything but random.”

    With so much media focus on urban homicides — many local news outlets keep a running tally — suicide, which kills twice as many people, gets comparatively less coverage. Some argue that suicide is a private matter that doesn’t impact the broader community. Prevention experts discourage news media from reporting intimate details of suicide cases because research has found that can lead to imitation in vulnerable people. But even general news stories about suicide have tended to focus more on the increasing rates among other demographic groups than on white men’s stark over-representation in the statistics. That seems to be changing now as the numbers climb. Still, the result of such historically lopsided coverage is that the public face of gun violence in this country is that of a young black man rather than a middle-aged white one.

    “Reporting the truth about who’s committing suicide would require acknowledging that the contemporary narrative — in which men in general and white men in particular are a universally privileged class and have no legitimate problems — is false,” columnist Armin Brott wrote last year in a health and wellness newsletter.

    When white men respond to their life circumstances with gun violence, it’s treated as a public health problem, brought on by mental illness and stress. When black men do, it’s portrayed almost solely as a criminal issue, caused by lawlessness and moral failing. The multiplier in both epidemics is lawmakers’ blind devotion to the NRA. Zealously protecting their right to bear arms has come at a huge cost, and as quiet as it is kept, it’s not just the black community that is paying.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/08/gun-deaths-affect-more-white-men-than-black-men/


    We really have to do something about White gun violence. 
    Guns don't kill people 






    Gun owners kill people including white gun owners
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 2,513
    Suicide, regardless of race or gender is a serious problem that needs to be addressed like, 40 years ago. Yes, access to guns certainly makes it easier for someone to end their own life, but that's only one factor. 

    What alternatives do these people have? Is mental healthcare and access to psychiatric care readily available to everyone? Is there still a social stigma for those who can access treatment?

    Psychiatric evaluations to buy guns? Yes please. I'll go first.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,612
    A one-year-old was shot and killed at a BBQ in Brooklyn. How many children has that been in the past few weeks? Getting crazy out there. Shootings up 130% in NYC versus this time last year. 

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,337
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,337
    A one-year-old was shot and killed at a BBQ in Brooklyn. How many children has that been in the past few weeks? Getting crazy out there. Shootings up 130% in NYC versus this time last year. 

    Another 17 people shot in NYC last night. A Monday night!! It’s out of control. Tons of responsible gun owners. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,337
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
    Funny how that’s not major news. You can find it. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
    Funny how that’s not major news. You can find it. 
    Or you could post the link, jeesh.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,612
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html?outputType=amp
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html?outputType=amp
    Seems a whole lot of "responsibility" exercised there. 3:00 a.m. Maybe the N-Bomb dropped, maybe not. Victim's fiancé pops off a round as a "natural reaction." No description of the other members in the alleged perp group and nothing but the victim's fiancé's word that she was shot for saying, "all lives matter."

    Did I say she "deserved it?" Do any victims of gun violence "deserve it?" "Pick a side?" Yea, I'm on the side of "responsible" gun owners being "responsible." My apologies if that offends you @nicknyr15
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,612
    Interview with the father of the murdered one-year-old..


    Picture of him with his son...


    De Blasio taking time out from painting BLM murals to comment on the child's death...

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,337
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html?outputType=amp
    Seems a whole lot of "responsibility" exercised there. 3:00 a.m. Maybe the N-Bomb dropped, maybe not. Victim's fiancé pops off a round as a "natural reaction." No description of the other members in the alleged perp group and nothing but the victim's fiancé's word that she was shot for saying, "all lives matter."

    Did I say she "deserved it?" Do any victims of gun violence "deserve it?" "Pick a side?" Yea, I'm on the side of "responsible" gun owners being "responsible." My apologies if that offends you @nicknyr15
    My man, nothing you say offends me. You’re extremely predictable and there’s nothing wrong with that. Chill out. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,614
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html?outputType=amp
    Seems a whole lot of "responsibility" exercised there. 3:00 a.m. Maybe the N-Bomb dropped, maybe not. Victim's fiancé pops off a round as a "natural reaction." No description of the other members in the alleged perp group and nothing but the victim's fiancé's word that she was shot for saying, "all lives matter."

    Did I say she "deserved it?" Do any victims of gun violence "deserve it?" "Pick a side?" Yea, I'm on the side of "responsible" gun owners being "responsible." My apologies if that offends you @nicknyr15
    My man, nothing you say offends me. You’re extremely predictable and there’s nothing wrong with that. Chill out. 
    “Predictable” like assuming “she deserved it?” Yea, sure.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,337
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    A MAGA “responsible” gun owner, no less. Imagine that?

    https://apple.news/AlIwWCGeYQ6GKSC5bG5Ymyg
    24 year old shot and killed for saying “All Lives Matter”. Imagine that. I guess she deserved it? Pick a side right? 
    Link?
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-jessica-doty-whitaker-shot-dead-indianapolis-all-lives-matter-20200713-jcm5oyjca5fz5kge4qtlhh7dnu-story.html?outputType=amp
    Seems a whole lot of "responsibility" exercised there. 3:00 a.m. Maybe the N-Bomb dropped, maybe not. Victim's fiancé pops off a round as a "natural reaction." No description of the other members in the alleged perp group and nothing but the victim's fiancé's word that she was shot for saying, "all lives matter."

    Did I say she "deserved it?" Do any victims of gun violence "deserve it?" "Pick a side?" Yea, I'm on the side of "responsible" gun owners being "responsible." My apologies if that offends you @nicknyr15
    My man, nothing you say offends me. You’re extremely predictable and there’s nothing wrong with that. Chill out. 
    “Predictable” like assuming “she deserved it?” Yea, sure.
    Never said that 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,547
    The NYC thing is a great way to have Cuomo get his way and get rid of guns in ny, which is always interesting to me as NYC has some seriously strict gun laws.
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 2,513
    The NYC thing is a great way to have Cuomo get his way and get rid of guns in ny, which is always interesting to me as NYC has some seriously strict gun laws.
    Wait a minute.....are you saying that despite NYC's strict gun laws criminals still have guns? It's almost like they don't care about the laws.

    Probably need more. That should help, right?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,547
    dudeman said:
    The NYC thing is a great way to have Cuomo get his way and get rid of guns in ny, which is always interesting to me as NYC has some seriously strict gun laws.
    Wait a minute.....are you saying that despite NYC's strict gun laws criminals still have guns? It's almost like they don't care about the laws.

    Probably need more. That should help, right?
    Of course that was my angle, yes!  More guns would help!

    No, my angle is Cuomo has always wanted to irradiate firearms from common folk. 
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