America's Gun Violence

Smellyman

ldent42 said:

Cuz not everyone in this country is a Yosemite Sam cartoon?
Cuz I was born here, never touched a gun my life, and did not make this bed you're telling me I have to lie in?
Cuz I don't think people should have guns and I don't support this idea that we live in the wild west and need to shoot or be shot?

I dunno how you want to me to explain to you how that sentence is an unfair and offensive characterisation if you can't see that just by reading it.

What sentence? I don't see anything highlighted.

I was born there, lived there 30 years. Never owned or touched a gun either. you should take a little more offense to the problem, then something may get done.

gimmesometruth27

i don't see what is offensive either. it is true. we will have another one of these in a couple of weeks. i have lived here all my life. have shot shotguns before. shot a pistol one time. never owned a gun, and won't ever buy one.

but he is right. we will do nothing about this. and by doing nothing, we are all guilty of allowing it to happen.

ldent42

That sentence:
Once you're done digging... go shoot some shit at the landfill. Yeehaw! I reckon ya figure if dem der boys hadda had der guns on 'em... there ain't nobody who'd be dead outside of dat der crazy feller?


And I've said like a million times on here how upsetting it is and where I stand on gun control. So don't tell me how I ought to be more offended.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

ldent42 said:

Cuz not everyone in this country is a Yosemite Sam cartoon?
Cuz I was born here, never touched a gun my life, and did not make this bed you're telling me I have to lie in?
Cuz I don't think people should have guns and I don't support this idea that we live in the wild west and need to shoot or be shot?

I dunno how you want to me to explain to you how that sentence is an unfair and offensive characterisation if you can't see that just by reading it.

Gee. Truth hurts I guess.

What do you want a person to say? The Yosemite Sams dictate policy.

Your country has had 137... yes... ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN school shootings in America since Sandy Hook.

Your country seems to have accepted this as par for the course. It's becoming normal isn't it? And why? Because you have some Yosemite Sams that want to shoot shit. They love their guns. They pound their fists harder on table tops. And they get their way.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your leadership for failing to address a problem that is as obvious as a festering boil on the end of your nose. Every country has disenfranchised youth- they just don't have the proliferation of guns (you're the most armed country in the world) or the expression of anger and frustration through the use of such easily accessed weapons.

blueandwhite

ldent42 said:

Cuz not everyone in this country is a Yosemite Sam cartoon?
Cuz I was born here, never touched a gun my life, and did not make this bed you're telling me I have to lie in?
Cuz I don't think people should have guns and I don't support this idea that we live in the wild west and need to shoot or be shot?

I dunno how you want to me to explain to you how that sentence is an unfair and offensive characterisation if you can't see that just by reading it.

Despite the many Americans who say they oppose guns and gun violence, what has changed? You may not support the gun violence associated with your country but at the end of the day it is Americans just like you who must confront it. The characterization of Americans as being impetuous, aggressive and violent is a product of your culture. You may not fit into those cultural stereotypes but they are certainly derived from events that have happened in your backyard.

As far as I'm concerned, these massacres in the United States can't even be considered tragedies. They are simply routine events that come and go like the seasons. You are a citizen of the most powerful nation in the world yet your government and its people can't seem to lift a finger to change things. In the face of real tragedy, most civilized societies make efforts to prevent things from repeating themselves. That doesn't seem to be the case with gun violence in the US.

dudeman

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Don't get to worked up... the clock is ticking before your next one.

Canada has all the same shit as the USA that is typically and erroneously attributed to the causal factors for these depressing incidents (video games, drugs, lonesome losers, etc.).

The only 'real' difference between the two countries is the fact that one country is riddled with an obscene amount of guns with ineffective... no... non-existent gun legislation while the other doesn't.

It's a f**king joke to deny the obvious and you lie in the bed you make: so go bury your kids, neighbours.

Once you're done digging... go shoot some shit at the landfill. Yeehaw! I reckon ya figure if dem der boys hadda had der guns on 'em... there ain't nobody who'd be dead outside of dat der crazy feller?

Just absurd. I'm at our university this week getting recertified in 1st aid. I see all the kids on campus getting busy with their lives and what a fresh, exciting, vibrant place.

Has anyone stopped to think how these mass shootings may very well have changed fate and, for example, placed the cure for cancer in the ground?

I think the bolded part of your comment is offensive.

ldent42

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Cuz not everyone in this country is a Yosemite Sam cartoon?
Cuz I was born here, never touched a gun my life, and did not make this bed you're telling me I have to lie in?
Cuz I don't think people should have guns and I don't support this idea that we live in the wild west and need to shoot or be shot?

I dunno how you want to me to explain to you how that sentence is an unfair and offensive characterisation if you can't see that just by reading it.

Gee. Truth hurts I guess.

What do you want a person to say? The Yosemite Sams dictate policy.

Your country has had 137... yes... ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN school shootings in America since Sandy Hook.

Your country seems to have accepted this as par for the course. It's becoming normal isn't it? And why? Because you have some Yosemite Sams that want to shoot shit. They love their guns. They pound their fists harder on table tops. And they get their way.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your leadership for failing to address a problem that is as obvious as a festering boil on the end of your nose. Every country has disenfranchised youth- they just don't have the proliferation of guns (you're the most armed country in the world) or the expression of anger and frustration through the use of such easily accessed weapons.

I'm not mad at you bro I don't know you.
Don't tell me how to be. I dunno how many times I gotta say that I don't support guns. That the president of the country I live in gets up on the news and is visibly frustrated that he can't get the gun laws to be more restricted. THE PRESIDENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING. Can you even think about that for a minute without just making nasty generalizations? The problem with guns here is fucking ridiculous on such a scale that it seems impossible to fix.

You know what doesn't help? People saying stupid shit about it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dudeman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Don't get to worked up... the clock is ticking before your next one.

Canada has all the same shit as the USA that is typically and erroneously attributed to the causal factors for these depressing incidents (video games, drugs, lonesome losers, etc.).

The only 'real' difference between the two countries is the fact that one country is riddled with an obscene amount of guns with ineffective... no... non-existent gun legislation while the other doesn't.

It's a f**king joke to deny the obvious and you lie in the bed you make: so go bury your kids, neighbours.

Once you're done digging... go shoot some shit at the landfill. Yeehaw! I reckon ya figure if dem der boys hadda had der guns on 'em... there ain't nobody who'd be dead outside of dat der crazy feller?

Just absurd. I'm at our university this week getting recertified in 1st aid. I see all the kids on campus getting busy with their lives and what a fresh, exciting, vibrant place.

Has anyone stopped to think how these mass shootings may very well have changed fate and, for example, placed the cure for cancer in the ground?

I think the bolded part of your comment is offensive.

Let me put it a different way:

I feel badly you must place those beautiful, innocent children to rest.

I understand there are some that feel if all the kids had been walking around with sidearms, this tragedy could have been averted.

I also understand that there are some who don't want to be unfairly 'punished' and lose their freedom to have their weapon of choice because of the actions of others: freedom comes with a price.

* I hope this is better- sorry for my offhand methodology in my initial attempt to make my points.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

ldent42 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Cuz not everyone in this country is a Yosemite Sam cartoon?
Cuz I was born here, never touched a gun my life, and did not make this bed you're telling me I have to lie in?
Cuz I don't think people should have guns and I don't support this idea that we live in the wild west and need to shoot or be shot?

I dunno how you want to me to explain to you how that sentence is an unfair and offensive characterisation if you can't see that just by reading it.

Gee. Truth hurts I guess.

What do you want a person to say? The Yosemite Sams dictate policy.

Your country has had 137... yes... ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN school shootings in America since Sandy Hook.

Your country seems to have accepted this as par for the course. It's becoming normal isn't it? And why? Because you have some Yosemite Sams that want to shoot shit. They love their guns. They pound their fists harder on table tops. And they get their way.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your leadership for failing to address a problem that is as obvious as a festering boil on the end of your nose. Every country has disenfranchised youth- they just don't have the proliferation of guns (you're the most armed country in the world) or the expression of anger and frustration through the use of such easily accessed weapons.

I'm not mad at you bro I don't know you.
Don't tell me how to be. I dunno how many times I gotta say that I don't support guns. That the president of the country I live in gets up on the news and is visibly frustrated that he can't get the gun laws to be more restricted. THE PRESIDENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING. Can you even think about that for a minute without just making nasty generalizations? The problem with guns here is fucking ridiculous on such a scale that it seems impossible to fix.

You know what doesn't help? People saying stupid shit about it.

Well then f**k it. Just accept it.

This is what I hear you saying. I'm pretty sure this is what gun advocates want their opponents saying too.

Smellyman

You have guns because you like guns! That's why you go to gun conventions; that's why you read gun magazines! None of you give a shit about home security. None of you go to home security conventions. None of you read Padlock Monthly. None of you have a Facebook picture of you behind a secure door..going 'fuckin yeah!' Jim Jefferies

Link

dudeman

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dudeman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Don't get to worked up... the clock is ticking before your next one.

Canada has all the same shit as the USA that is typically and erroneously attributed to the causal factors for these depressing incidents (video games, drugs, lonesome losers, etc.).

The only 'real' difference between the two countries is the fact that one country is riddled with an obscene amount of guns with ineffective... no... non-existent gun legislation while the other doesn't.

It's a f**king joke to deny the obvious and you lie in the bed you make: so go bury your kids, neighbours.

Once you're done digging... go shoot some shit at the landfill. Yeehaw! I reckon ya figure if dem der boys hadda had der guns on 'em... there ain't nobody who'd be dead outside of dat der crazy feller?

Just absurd. I'm at our university this week getting recertified in 1st aid. I see all the kids on campus getting busy with their lives and what a fresh, exciting, vibrant place.

Has anyone stopped to think how these mass shootings may very well have changed fate and, for example, placed the cure for cancer in the ground?

I think the bolded part of your comment is offensive.

Let me put it a different way:

I feel badly you must place those beautiful, innocent children to rest.

I understand there are some that feel if all the kids had been walking around with sidearms, this tragedy could have been averted.

I also understand that there are some who don't want to be unfairly 'punished' and lose their freedom to have their weapon of choice because of the actions of others: freedom comes with a price.

* I hope this is better- sorry for my offhand methodology in my initial attempt to make my points.

And they say sarcasm doesn't come across in type. Well done!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dudeman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dudeman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Don't get to worked up... the clock is ticking before your next one.

Canada has all the same shit as the USA that is typically and erroneously attributed to the causal factors for these depressing incidents (video games, drugs, lonesome losers, etc.).

The only 'real' difference between the two countries is the fact that one country is riddled with an obscene amount of guns with ineffective... no... non-existent gun legislation while the other doesn't.

It's a f**king joke to deny the obvious and you lie in the bed you make: so go bury your kids, neighbours.

Once you're done digging... go shoot some shit at the landfill. Yeehaw! I reckon ya figure if dem der boys hadda had der guns on 'em... there ain't nobody who'd be dead outside of dat der crazy feller?

Just absurd. I'm at our university this week getting recertified in 1st aid. I see all the kids on campus getting busy with their lives and what a fresh, exciting, vibrant place.

Has anyone stopped to think how these mass shootings may very well have changed fate and, for example, placed the cure for cancer in the ground?

I think the bolded part of your comment is offensive.

Let me put it a different way:

I feel badly you must place those beautiful, innocent children to rest.

I understand there are some that feel if all the kids had been walking around with sidearms, this tragedy could have been averted.

I also understand that there are some who don't want to be unfairly 'punished' and lose their freedom to have their weapon of choice because of the actions of others: freedom comes with a price.

* I hope this is better- sorry for my offhand methodology in my initial attempt to make my points.

And they say sarcasm doesn't come across in type. Well done!

There's no sarcasm here.

gimmesometruth27

i don't know what the big deal is.

i mean, americans are safe from gun violence.

except at kindergarden
and high school
and college
and work
and the mall
and the movie theater
and the military base
and the gun range
and church

that is off the top of my head, so i am sure i am missing many more.

Smellyman

gimmesometruth27 said:

i don't know what the big deal is.

i mean, americans are safe from gun violence.

except at kindergarden
and high school
and college
and work
and the mall
and the movie theater
and the military base
and the gun range
and church

that is off the top of my head, so i am sure i am missing many more.

If you own a gun....at home

Halifax2TheMax

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/10/oregon-sheriff-umpqua-massacre-white-house-gun-control-newtown

Sleep tight.

ldent42

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Cuz not everyone in this country is a Yosemite Sam cartoon?
Cuz I was born here, never touched a gun my life, and did not make this bed you're telling me I have to lie in?
Cuz I don't think people should have guns and I don't support this idea that we live in the wild west and need to shoot or be shot?

I dunno how you want to me to explain to you how that sentence is an unfair and offensive characterisation if you can't see that just by reading it.

Gee. Truth hurts I guess.

What do you want a person to say? The Yosemite Sams dictate policy.

Your country has had 137... yes... ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN school shootings in America since Sandy Hook.

Your country seems to have accepted this as par for the course. It's becoming normal isn't it? And why? Because you have some Yosemite Sams that want to shoot shit. They love their guns. They pound their fists harder on table tops. And they get their way.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your leadership for failing to address a problem that is as obvious as a festering boil on the end of your nose. Every country has disenfranchised youth- they just don't have the proliferation of guns (you're the most armed country in the world) or the expression of anger and frustration through the use of such easily accessed weapons.

I'm not mad at you bro I don't know you.
Don't tell me how to be. I dunno how many times I gotta say that I don't support guns. That the president of the country I live in gets up on the news and is visibly frustrated that he can't get the gun laws to be more restricted. THE PRESIDENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING. Can you even think about that for a minute without just making nasty generalizations? The problem with guns here is fucking ridiculous on such a scale that it seems impossible to fix.

You know what doesn't help? People saying stupid shit about it.

Well then f**k it. Just accept it.

This is what I hear you saying. I'm pretty sure this is what gun advocates want their opponents saying too.

The point I want to make to all the international 10c-ers reading this thread is exactly how out of hand this is, that regular citizens cannot do anything about it. I'm not saying "fuck it, accept it." I'm saying "dear God please help us, we have to do something here but we're politically fucking trapped" (and no, that's not a literal plea To a higher power is just an expression)

To be clear, I live in a blue state. My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.
The major of my city has already called for gun control.
The governor of my state has already called for gun control.
The president of my country has already called for gun control.

Short of moving to Texas and voting for candidates that support gun control, there's nothing that us non-cartoon citizens can do anymore. We've reached peak Idiocracy on gun laws. Why I'm addressing your comments is specifically to dispel this perception that normal level headed Americans are allowing this stuff to happen. That's not how our government works. at this point we're basically being held hostage by people who think guns are cool. I think, (I came to this conclusion after Sandy hook) that at this point the only way ANYTHING is going to change is in time, when demographics change.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

And to be clear... I know there are good people in the US that recognize the problem for what it is.

You're one of them- so recognize my words as support. Let the criticism fall where it may.

Halifax2TheMax

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150904/unhinged-antigun-group-seeking-to-provoke-confrontations-between-police-lawful-carriers

Drilling for fear, keeps the job simple.

Halifax2TheMax

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150925/gallup-more-americans-say-federal-government-a-threat

Paranoia will destroy ya............

Halifax2TheMax

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigman/2012/12/21/what-the-nras-wayne-lapierre-gets-paid-to-defend-guns/

Blood in the streets, it's up to my ankles. I wonder what they'll earn when it's up to my knees?