America's Gun Violence

my2hands

It's also mostly men that own the guns... I bet 95% of AR 15's are owned by white men... maybe trying to make up for a small penis? 

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

^^^

What is your question?

You are making statements. You haven't asked anything.

Shouldn't we be doing more to figure out "why" these mass murders are mostly being caused by young men and boys?

Young men between the ages of about 14 and mid twenties are always the most violent, in any culture and at any point in history. I’m not sure that we need to wonder about that; it’s nothing new. In the US that violence is expressed with gun violence, whereas in other countries without the easy access to guns it is expressed through fist fights and the like. 

So, we’re back to the issue of gun access. 

There are complexities to do with culture and socialization, but that’s the reality. 

tempo_n_groove

my2hands said:

Let's talk about anything but the guns, right? lol

This is why I don't care to comment on this particular thread.

I offered a question stemming to why boys/men do the shootings and woman do not and maybe there is something more to it and everyone wants to pick it apart.

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole gun freak culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

The guy in vegas was older than that too ..

I know there are exceptions where people are older.  Who is going into the schools and shooting them up?

Young men and young boys?  Yes or no?

Everyone seems to be ignoring that issue, as usual. This is probably the 20th time the fact that this is a problem with males has been mentioned in this thread, half the time by me, and perhaps the other half by you, and almost nobody ever has a single thing to say about it. It's very frustrating that nobody has any intention of ever changing what really needs to change. Everyone just keeps talking about gun regulations (which I do support as an "it can't hurt; it can only help" kind of thing, but they're not going to get to the root of the problem at all).

tempo_n_groove

my2hands said:

It's also mostly men that own the guns... I bet 95% of AR 15's are owned by white men... maybe trying to make up for a small penis? 

And big buildings and fast cars and nice clothes...

my2hands

tempo_n_groove said:

my2hands said:

Let's talk about anything but the guns, right? lol

This is why I don't care to comment on this particular thread.

I offered a question stemming to why boys/men do the shootings and woman do not and maybe there is something more to it and everyone wants to pick it apart.

Oftenreading answered your concerns, pretty well imo

PJ_Soul

And perhaps my posts are invisible, lol.

mace1229

Put it on a sticker and he'd read it!
just kidding.

unsung

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

tempo_n_groove said:

my2hands said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Classy:

https://twitter.com/nra/status/973944596563746816

Still waiting for someone in here to tell me why they need a weapon like that?

Has anyone said "because the constitution says I can?"

Has anyone responded as to why these massacres only happen here ? when was the last time 17 highschool student got murdered in JAPAN or ENGLAND or CHILE or ARGENTINA ? 

True.  In a bunch of countries it is mandatory to own a gun and mass shootings don't happen there either.

I don't have an answer as to why these things happen here but I wish someone would start studying it.

Really you think maybe that 5 to 10 million AR15's in circulation has anything to do with it ?

Not at all.  Tell me an NRA member that has shot up a school.

The evil AR15 is used in less than 2% of murders where a firearm is used.

unsung

tbergs

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole gun freak culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

The guy in vegas was older than that too ..

I know there are exceptions where people are older.  Who is going into the schools and shooting them up?

Young men and young boys?  Yes or no?

Everyone seems to be ignoring that issue, as usual. This is probably the 20th time the fact that this is a problem with males has been mentioned in this thread, half the time by me, and perhaps the other half by you, and almost nobody ever has a single thing to say about it. It's very frustrating that nobody has any intention of ever changing what really needs to change. Everyone just keeps talking about gun regulations (which I do support as an "it can't hurt; it can only help" kind of thing, but they're not going to get to the root of the problem at all).

No, it hasn't been ignored. Several have commented on it. If this were merely about the gender and age of the perpetrator then this would be happening all over the world, or at least in predominantly white populated countries, but it's not. Access to guns is the X factor. Troubled youth is nothing new (drop the leash!). Several people would also argue about the other gun violence phenomena, young blacks males. A lot correlates to their socio-economic living conditions and parenting situation, but overall without access to guns the violence wouldn't be as extreme.

oftenreading

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole gun freak culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

josevolution said:

PJ_Soul said:

The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.

The guy in vegas was older than that too ..

I know there are exceptions where people are older.  Who is going into the schools and shooting them up?

Young men and young boys?  Yes or no?

Everyone seems to be ignoring that issue, as usual. This is probably the 20th time the fact that this is a problem with males has been mentioned in this thread, half the time by me, and perhaps the other half by you, and almost nobody ever has a single thing to say about it. It's very frustrating that nobody has any intention of ever changing what really needs to change. Everyone just keeps talking about gun regulations (which I do support as an "it can't hurt; it can only help" kind of thing, but they're not going to get to the root of the problem at all).

So, what is "getting to the root of the problem"? Removing all males? I just don't understand what you're getting at or suggesting. As a group, males in the age range I mentioned are always more violent, everywhere. It isn't an American thing, it isn't a Western thing, it isn't a modern thing - it's just the way it is. Same as it ever was.

OffSheGoes35

Hormone therapy for young males? Why should older people have all the fun? 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Boys/girls... men/women... different animals.

We don't need to investigate why it's 'boys' or 'men' committing these acts. We only need to look at the history of civilization to understand that the male gender is much more prone to violence than women. I'll go one step further and say that much more often than not... if a woman has committed a violent act... it's because some man has affected her. I say this from the vantage point of a man.

Stop reaching: the problem is guns. Pure and simple. The sheer number of them and the characteristics of some of them.

The US has no immediate solution and is in for a few more decades of these horrific acts, but that doesn't mean 'do nothing'... it means take the steps that your forefathers failed to do to keep people safer (for your kids).

Without question... another 20 years of selling AR15s and their ilk... and easy access isn't making the country safer. Get serious people. Nobody is buying any garbage spewed forth to the contrary. I mean to say... nobody with any common sense. 

Bentleyspop

my2hands said:

Let's talk about anything but the guns, right? lol

That's  because guns don't  kill people

Gun owners kill people

OffSheGoes35

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Boys/girls... men/women... different animals.

We don't need to investigate why it's 'boys' or 'men' committing these acts. We only need to look at the history of civilization to understand that the male gender is much more prone to violence than women. I'll go one step further and say that much more often than not... if a woman has committed a violent act... it's because some man has affected her. I say this from the vantage point of a man.

Stop reaching: the problem is guns. Pure and simple. The sheer number of them and the characteristics of some of them.

The US has no immediate solution and is in for a few more decades of these horrific acts, but that doesn't mean 'do nothing'... it means take the steps that your forefathers failed to do to keep people safer (for your kids).

Without question... another 20 years of selling AR15s and their ilk... and easy access isn't making the country safer. Get serious people. Nobody is buying any garbage spewed forth to the contrary. I mean to say... nobody with any common sense. 

If something has been a problem since the dawn of civilization, why would that not be worth a look-see?

oftenreading

OffSheGoes35 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Boys/girls... men/women... different animals.

We don't need to investigate why it's 'boys' or 'men' committing these acts. We only need to look at the history of civilization to understand that the male gender is much more prone to violence than women. I'll go one step further and say that much more often than not... if a woman has committed a violent act... it's because some man has affected her. I say this from the vantage point of a man.

Stop reaching: the problem is guns. Pure and simple. The sheer number of them and the characteristics of some of them.

The US has no immediate solution and is in for a few more decades of these horrific acts, but that doesn't mean 'do nothing'... it means take the steps that your forefathers failed to do to keep people safer (for your kids).

Without question... another 20 years of selling AR15s and their ilk... and easy access isn't making the country safer. Get serious people. Nobody is buying any garbage spewed forth to the contrary. I mean to say... nobody with any common sense. 

If something has been a problem since the dawn of civilization, why would that not be worth a look-see?

It's had more than a passing "look-see" over the centuries

Thirty Bills Unpaid

This argument is stupid.

Are boys and men in the US different than boys and men in... oh... say Canada? No.

The only difference in the two countries are the type of weapons each country affords their boys and men... and the amount of weapons each country's boys and men possess.

Time to get serious here.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

https://twitter.com/wxdam/status/974045292420091905

OffSheGoes35

I don't  think that anyone is saying that there is an issue more important than gun control. It is just frustrating to hear that others consider it a hopeless cause to consider the part men play in this gun violence, because it has always been this way.