America's Gun Violence
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tbergs said:PJ_Soul said:tempo_n_groove said:PJ_Soul said:The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole gun freak culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.josevolution said:PJ_Soul said:The guy who killed 49 people at the Orlando nightclub was 29. And that guy who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino was older too. I think age restriction is a good idea, but not really because of the age of shooters (although school shootings in particular are always committed by younger people). It's because it might help prevent the whole culture from sinking so deep into people when they're young and impressionable.
Young men and young boys? Yes or no?
And I disagree that it hasn't been ignored. If it weren't being ignored we would have had long conversations about what to do about the problem. Nobody ever wants to talk about that.
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my2hands said:PJPOWER said:my2hands said:And I watch the news regularly...more than most probably... And what ive seen on the news the past 10 years tells me we need to GET RID of these ridiculous weapons, NOT keep them
I have a 100 year view of this... I don't foresee any immediate improvement... but it has to start now to leave a better future for future generations
But I honestly have zero faith in this country moving forward... don't expect any silly flag waving from me, I'll join the guys taking a knee...
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mrussel1 said:
The axis doesn't show, but this is 86 to 2015 from the ATF. Someone want to tell me it's just correlation not causation? Or is it possible the wave of violence we have seen over the past decade + is related to the volume?
Why can't it be the other way? Increased guns manufactured is caused by an increase in gun culture? And an increase in gun culture causes more shootings?0 -
mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:
The axis doesn't show, but this is 86 to 2015 from the ATF. Someone want to tell me it's just correlation not causation? Or is it possible the wave of violence we have seen over the past decade + is related to the volume?
Why can't it be the other way? Increased guns manufactured is caused by an increase in gun culture? And an increase in gun culture causes more shootings?
And yes, I do not think it's correlation, I think it's causation.0 -
mrussel1 said:
The axis doesn't show, but this is 86 to 2015 from the ATF. Someone want to tell me it's just correlation not causation? Or is it possible the wave of violence we have seen over the past decade + is related to the volume?0 -
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tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:
The axis doesn't show, but this is 86 to 2015 from the ATF. Someone want to tell me it's just correlation not causation? Or is it possible the wave of violence we have seen over the past decade + is related to the volume?0 -
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mrussel1 said:mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:
The axis doesn't show, but this is 86 to 2015 from the ATF. Someone want to tell me it's just correlation not causation? Or is it possible the wave of violence we have seen over the past decade + is related to the volume?
Why can't it be the other way? Increased guns manufactured is caused by an increase in gun culture? And an increase in gun culture causes more shootings?
And yes, I do not think it's correlation, I think it's causation.
Therefore making fewer guns wouldn't suddenly diminish this demand, since the demand exists for another reason other than simply more guns being manufactured.
I actually believe the spike is caused by something else; Obama.
He was farther left than other presidents before him, so people thought gun restrictions were going in increase and it set the trend of "buy your guns now while you can."
It's not his fault, but that's what happened. Particularly in liberal states like California. I haven't lived there for several years, but I think California implemented a new ban or restrictions on guns, so it isn't completely irrational to have believed that. Of course when you ban or restrict something the sales are going to spike. If Colorado bans marijuana in January 2019, December will be record "high" sales.
Its hard to tell without it being labeled, but I'm guess that valley in the middle were the Bush years, and the spike before that was during Clinton. Democrats are great for gun sales.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
i_lov_it said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Degeneratefk said:unsung said:
Edit: dummy is referring to the idiot that calls himself "educating liberals." Unsung is just a puppet for reposting.i_lov_it said:If Guns are to become illegal in the USA...that also means the Police Force as they're not above the law...
With the amount of guns already in circulation... the police need guns to do their job safely.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
i_lov_it said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Degeneratefk said:unsung said:
Edit: dummy is referring to the idiot that calls himself "educating liberals." Unsung is just a puppet for reposting.i_lov_it said:If Guns are to become illegal in the USA...that also means the Police Force as they're not above the law...
With the amount of guns already in circulation... the police need guns to do their job safely.
I'm speaking for them as active duty officers. In their private lives... same rules and laws as the commoners.
You can't seriously be suggesting cops in the US hit the streets with rubber bands or something similar are you?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
oftenreading said:i_lov_it said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Degeneratefk said:unsung said:
Edit: dummy is referring to the idiot that calls himself "educating liberals." Unsung is just a puppet for reposting.i_lov_it said:If Guns are to become illegal in the USA...that also means the Police Force as they're not above the law...
With the amount of guns already in circulation... the police need guns to do their job safely.
So what you're saying is that Police are above the law?
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i_lov_it said:oftenreading said:i_lov_it said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Degeneratefk said:unsung said:
Edit: dummy is referring to the idiot that calls himself "educating liberals." Unsung is just a puppet for reposting.i_lov_it said:If Guns are to become illegal in the USA...that also means the Police Force as they're not above the law...
With the amount of guns already in circulation... the police need guns to do their job safely.
So what you're saying is that Police are above the law?
This is is a really weird argument.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
oftenreading said:i_lov_it said:oftenreading said:i_lov_it said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Degeneratefk said:unsung said:
Edit: dummy is referring to the idiot that calls himself "educating liberals." Unsung is just a puppet for reposting.i_lov_it said:If Guns are to become illegal in the USA...that also means the Police Force as they're not above the law...
With the amount of guns already in circulation... the police need guns to do their job safely.
So what you're saying is that Police are above the law?
This is is a really weird argument.
Wait a minute...how can you have one law for one demographic and one for another?0 -
I'm just saying if you're going to ban Guns then the Government should do it properly...
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you guys are being trolled. seriously. no one can be honestly making this kind of argument.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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HughFreakingDillon said:you guys are being trolled. seriously. no one can be honestly making this kind of argument.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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