America's Gun Violence

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    mcgruff10 said:
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Remember you can only use one at a time.  
    I’m willing to bet there’s a picture of some “responsible” gun owner shooting more than one or two firearms at a time floating around YouTube and/or the interwebs, maybe even three or four.
    I've managed to use two but they were both pistols.  No images available...
    I ve never tried it.  I assume There is zero way to be accurate.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Remember you can only use one at a time.  
    They are bringing spares...lol

    Actually, that was the dude who got busted in LA...he was officially charged today.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    mcgruff10 said:
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Remember you can only use one at a time.  
    They are bringing spares...lol

    Actually, that was the dude who got busted in LA...he was officially charged today.
    Oh I missed that article.  Thanks for the heads up. I ll give it a read. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Remember you can only use one at a time.  
    I’m willing to bet there’s a picture of some “responsible” gun owner shooting more than one or two firearms at a time floating around YouTube and/or the interwebs, maybe even three or four.
    I've managed to use two but they were both pistols.  No images available...
    I ve never tried it.  I assume There is zero way to be accurate.  

    Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  

    At the time I had to practice shooting left handed so I could hit targets but not very good groupings.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Remember you can only use one at a time.  
    I’m willing to bet there’s a picture of some “responsible” gun owner shooting more than one or two firearms at a time floating around YouTube and/or the interwebs, maybe even three or four.
    Explain to me how someone could fire three of four separate firearms at that same time.  
    Fingers and toes, fingers and toes.

    And while I didn’t qualify it, I suppose you could use 20 vice grips in perfect alignment, triggers set to the lowest pull rate, tread a dowel through the trigger guard and pull both ends simultaneously, maybe even using equal lengths of twine held in the center. Maybe Myth Busters could play around?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    Never heard of anyone blowing there head off with a long gun using their foot?
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    edited July 2019
    Never heard of anyone blowing there head off with a long gun using their foot?
    Yeah but to aim away from you would be tough.  Come to the range with me and we'll try to shoot a rifle downrange with our toes.  @PJPOWER
    you in?
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    Never heard of anyone blowing there head off with a long gun using their foot?
    Yeah but to aim away from you would be tough.  Come to the range with me and we'll try to shoot a rifle downrange with our toes.  @PJPOWER
    you in?
    I’ll let the two of you handle this one. I prefer to keep my toes!
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Never heard of anyone blowing there head off with a long gun using their foot?
    Yeah but to aim away from you would be tough.  Come to the range with me and we'll try to shoot a rifle downrange with our toes.  @PJPOWER
    you in?
    I’ll let the two of you handle this one. I prefer to keep my toes!
    wuss
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,509
    edited July 2019
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Looks like a picture from a normal democracy.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Never heard of anyone blowing there head off with a long gun using their foot?
    Yeah but to aim away from you would be tough.  Come to the range with me and we'll try to shoot a rifle downrange with our toes.  @PJPOWER
    you in?
    I’ll let the two of you handle this one. I prefer to keep my toes!
    wuss
    A wuss with 10 toes, absolutely :)
  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,466
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Remember you can only use one at a time.  
    I’m willing to bet there’s a picture of some “responsible” gun owner shooting more than one or two firearms at a time floating around YouTube and/or the interwebs, maybe even three or four.
    Explain to me how someone could fire three of four separate firearms at that same time.  
    Fingers and toes, fingers and toes.

    And while I didn’t qualify it, I suppose you could use 20 vice grips in perfect alignment, triggers set to the lowest pull rate, tread a dowel through the trigger guard and pull both ends simultaneously, maybe even using equal lengths of twine held in the center. Maybe Myth Busters could play around?
    You really have quite the imagination.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Somewhere in the US, this group is heading off to go hunting...lol


    Remember you can only use one at a time.  
    I’m willing to bet there’s a picture of some “responsible” gun owner shooting more than one or two firearms at a time floating around YouTube and/or the interwebs, maybe even three or four.
    Explain to me how someone could fire three of four separate firearms at that same time.  
    Fingers and toes, fingers and toes.

    And while I didn’t qualify it, I suppose you could use 20 vice grips in perfect alignment, triggers set to the lowest pull rate, tread a dowel through the trigger guard and pull both ends simultaneously, maybe even using equal lengths of twine held in the center. Maybe Myth Busters could play around?
    You really have quite the imagination.
    There are known knowns, there are unknown knowns and there are unknown unknowns.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,522
    I’m sure this “responsible” gun owner kept his weapons properly stored.

    https://apple.news/Awm9fUsbRTHKrUvi65pn0FA

    I’m surprised his bail was as low as it was. NRA going to provide gratis defense?
    How is a person dealing in illegal activities responsible?  That seems to be your catchphrase for this page as you appear to attach one to each thread you do, yes you have a pattern.

    Why would the NRA defend this person?  That just doesn't make sense...  
    I was told by an NRA card carrying member that every legal gun buyer starts out “responsible” and every gun begins as a legal one. The NRA doesn’t believe there should be limits to the number or types of firearms an individual can possess. They shill for the firearms industry, not “responsibility.”
    This guy broke the law and the NRA won't defend that.

    Every driver starts out a "responsible" driver until they are not.

    Every parent starts off as a "responsible" parent until they aren't.

    You can argue the case that someone is responsible until they aren't for just about anything.

    Again, since you missed it, the person was committing felonies.  There is nothing responsible about that and you put all the actual responsible gun owners in one spot.

    Every republican must be a racist and every democrat must want to give away free things, eh?
    To your last sentence, until they do or expose themselves as such. Car drivers and parents of kids generally are held accountable and there’s been a whole industry of legislation and changes that have taken place, and continue to do so, in an effort to protect the innocents. With guns, not so much.

    So you’re okay with an individual amassing 1,000 guns, eh?

    Where’s the NRA on gun printing? Because that’ll make us safer. Think of the convenience! Why go to a gun store when you can go to the ritzy part of LA, nice neighborhood and buy from the “responsible” gun owner?
     
    ooooohhhhhh, that presents quite the conundrum. a good portion of the board is gun manufacturers, so I wonder what their individual stance would be on that and how it might affect any decisions the NRA would make behind printing......
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    You can have guns and solid gun control.  It does not need to be 1 or the other.  It should be both.  But, even if the US made sweeping changes to gun control, you will still have millions of illegal guns out there and a porous southern border in which guns flow just like drugs do...
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
    Cmon then.  You can pull any piece of info you want and correlate it into your own agenda, we all know this.  Hell that's what we use google for now right?
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
    Cmon then.  You can pull any piece of info you want and correlate it into your own agenda, we all know this.  Hell that's what we use google for now right?
    What’s your point then? Are you disputing the claim posted or not? 
     
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
    Cmon then.  You can pull any piece of info you want and correlate it into your own agenda, we all know this.  Hell that's what we use google for now right?
    What’s your point then? Are you disputing the claim posted or not? 
     
    I believe my point was, but maybe mistaken, that the publication was very left leaning, the comment after is a "whataboutism" and that pieces of info plucked from certain places can be used for their own agenda.

    I think that was my point(s)?  Not sure.

    You tell me what they were.   

    Disputing wasn't on my list of points though.  That much I'm sure of.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
    Cmon then.  You can pull any piece of info you want and correlate it into your own agenda, we all know this.  Hell that's what we use google for now right?
    Harpers Index is vetted and uses reputable sources of data with the source cited. Whether it’s in a magazine that leans a little left is irrelevant. They also will retract and print a correction if they get called out on their data. Further, Harpers Magazine has been published weekly since 1850, a real failure. I know, facts don’t matter.
     
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
    Cmon then.  You can pull any piece of info you want and correlate it into your own agenda, we all know this.  Hell that's what we use google for now right?
    Harpers Index is vetted and uses reputable sources of data with the source cited. Whether it’s in a magazine that leans a little left is irrelevant. They also will retract and print a correction if they get called out on their data. Further, Harpers Magazine has been published weekly since 1850, a real failure. I know, facts don’t matter.
     
    Read last point of my last post.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Oh and I should have said the article is "jaded".

    That would have been a better fit perhaps?

    That's a fact, yes?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,971
    Oh and I should have said the article is "jaded".

    That would have been a better fit perhaps?

    That's a fact, yes?
    I’m not sure what you’re driving at? Harpers Index is not an article. What’s “jaded?”
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
    Cmon then.  You can pull any piece of info you want and correlate it into your own agenda, we all know this.  Hell that's what we use google for now right?
    What’s your point then? Are you disputing the claim posted or not? 
     
    I believe my point was, but maybe mistaken, that the publication was very left leaning, the comment after is a "whataboutism" and that pieces of info plucked from certain places can be used for their own agenda.

    I think that was my point(s)?  Not sure.

    You tell me what they were.   

    Disputing wasn't on my list of points though.  That much I'm sure of.

    It's up to you to articulate your point, not me.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Factor by which more Americans died in school shootings than in combat last year : 3

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/08/harpers-index-august-2019/
    I'll take a stab that the magazine leans a little left?
    I guess these guys and gals lean a little left too?

    30 Center for Homeland Defense and Security, Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, Calif.)/U.S. Department of Defense
    Is this a "whataboutism"?  I asked about the magazine.
    Sure, the magazine leans a little left but the information presented came from the organization cited.
    Cmon then.  You can pull any piece of info you want and correlate it into your own agenda, we all know this.  Hell that's what we use google for now right?
    What’s your point then? Are you disputing the claim posted or not? 
     
    I believe my point was, but maybe mistaken, that the publication was very left leaning, the comment after is a "whataboutism" and that pieces of info plucked from certain places can be used for their own agenda.

    I think that was my point(s)?  Not sure.

    You tell me what they were.   

    Disputing wasn't on my list of points though.  That much I'm sure of.

    It's up to you to articulate your point, not me.
    My answer was meant to be...

    Oh never mind...
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Oh and I should have said the article is "jaded".

    That would have been a better fit perhaps?

    That's a fact, yes?
    I’m not sure what you’re driving at? Harpers Index is not an article. What’s “jaded?”
    Never mind, forget it.  We will be here all day.
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