America's Gun Violence

rgambs

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

stuckinline said:

• Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle said he will not support a bill that would give Delta a massive tax break, unless the airline reverses its decision to sever a partnership with the National Rifle Association.
• Delta ended the NRA partnership on Saturday due to pressure from gun control advocates following the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.
• The proposed bill would exempt jet fuel purchases from Georgia sales tax and could save Delta around $40 million.

http://www.businessinsider.com/delta-nra-georgia-casey-cagle-threatens-retaliation-2018-2

Delta should refuse to fly to and from Georgia, pull their jobs, move their headquarters.

This is unbelievable.  Hypocrites.  They want a damn cake baker to be able to not serve a gay couple but they want the government to step in and threaten a company with their votes for not supporting another organization???? 

Delta employs how many thousands of people in Georgia?
Lt. Gov just guaranteed he will never drop the Lt.!

Halifax2TheMax

People should see the pictures and video of the carnage. They need to see it. If they don’t see it, god forbid, they need to experience it up close and personal. Otherwise, nothing is going to change.

How one bullet shattered a body and a family - CNN https://apple.news/AqWddLqNoSNid-wkbmNZO6g

dignin

Halifax2TheMax said:

People should see the pictures and video of the carnage. They need to see it. If they don’t see it, god forbid, they need to experience it up close and personal. Otherwise, nothing is going to change.

How one bullet shattered a body and a family - CNN https://apple.news/AqWddLqNoSNid-wkbmNZO6g

^^This

RYME

In other news. (Sorry, Something weird is going on with my comment in a grey box)

RYME

This is an interesting incident that happened in Milwaukee.
Carjackings have been an epidemic in Milwaukee recently.  I'm not making a statement here I'm just curious to see what people's reactions are to this story.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/26/would-carjacker-shot-killed-concealed-carry-holder-outside-milwaukee-business-officials-say/374652002/

RYME

(This one has better details)
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker

The Juggler

RYME said:

This is an interesting incident that happened in Milwaukee.
Carjackings have been an epidemic in Milwaukee recently.  I'm not making a statement here I'm just curious to see what people's reactions are to this story.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/26/would-carjacker-shot-killed-concealed-carry-holder-outside-milwaukee-business-officials-say/374652002/

Was he concealing and carrying a semi automatic weapon?

Halifax2TheMax

I wonder if anyone will interview this woamn and ask her if she's proud of her life's accomplishment?

From the Reporter’s Desk

In 2015, when I began examining the National Rifle Association’s influence on American politics, the name Marion Hammer kept coming up. She had been the N.R.A.’s Florida lobbyist for nearly four decades, and those who knew her suggested she was like the Robert Moses of guns, exerting incredible control over various government processes. She created the country’s first Stand Your Ground law, and the statute that normalized the concealed carrying of handguns in public.

I learned how Hammer’s power worked in 2016, when she got involved in a low-stakes dispute. In 2000, a Florida state agency that regulates water quality had discovered that a Tampa-area gun range was polluting a neighboring wetland with lead shot. The range agreed to build a barrier to prevent further contamination, in 2004. Eleven years later, the wall hadn’t gone up, so the agency sued the range. The state’s case was widely regarded as airtight and yet several months later the lawsuit was dropped without explanation. In e-mails and text messages acquired through public-records requests, I discovered that it was Hammer who had drafted the settlement dismissing the case. Her Republican ally forwarded it to the agency, which backed out of the lawsuit the next day.

To me, the episode had great and terrifying implications. If Hammer had the authority to kill this obscure state lawsuit, what else could she do? In the past year, I interviewed dozens of Hammer’s allies and opponents, and obtained thousands of e-mails and documents. I saw the breadth of her power in Florida in the ways in which officials at the highest levels of state government defer to her. When she gives orders, they follow them.

When I began the project, I had no idea that fourteen students and three staff members would be killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Hammer’s policies transformed Florida into a state where the public carrying of firearms is a fact of daily life. Under those circumstances, such a horrifying incident now seems almost inevitable.

—Mike Spies

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

RYME said:

This is an interesting incident that happened in Milwaukee.
Carjackings have been an epidemic in Milwaukee recently.  I'm not making a statement here I'm just curious to see what people's reactions are to this story.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/26/would-carjacker-shot-killed-concealed-carry-holder-outside-milwaukee-business-officials-say/374652002/

Was he concealing and carrying a semi automatic weapon?

Exactly... let's not lose sight of what most are advocating for here, the elimination of sale of semi automatic rifles.  

Big Bank Hank

exclusive video, this is a far right website that I no way endorse, but this department training video is very legit & proves he flat out lied to Jake Tapper on CNN 2 days ago
https://truepundit.com/exclusive-video-active-shooter-training-broward-sheriff-israel-instructs-people-run-hide-says-department-defensive-unit-doesnt-attack/

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

I wonder if anyone will interview this woamn and ask her if she's proud of her life's accomplishment?

From the Reporter’s Desk

In 2015, when I began examining the National Rifle Association’s influence on American politics, the name Marion Hammer kept coming up. She had been the N.R.A.’s Florida lobbyist for nearly four decades, and those who knew her suggested she was like the Robert Moses of guns, exerting incredible control over various government processes. She created the country’s first Stand Your Ground law, and the statute that normalized the concealed carrying of handguns in public.

I learned how Hammer’s power worked in 2016, when she got involved in a low-stakes dispute. In 2000, a Florida state agency that regulates water quality had discovered that a Tampa-area gun range was polluting a neighboring wetland with lead shot. The range agreed to build a barrier to prevent further contamination, in 2004. Eleven years later, the wall hadn’t gone up, so the agency sued the range. The state’s case was widely regarded as airtight and yet several months later the lawsuit was dropped without explanation. In e-mails and text messages acquired through public-records requests, I discovered that it was Hammer who had drafted the settlement dismissing the case. Her Republican ally forwarded it to the agency, which backed out of the lawsuit the next day.

To me, the episode had great and terrifying implications. If Hammer had the authority to kill this obscure state lawsuit, what else could she do? In the past year, I interviewed dozens of Hammer’s allies and opponents, and obtained thousands of e-mails and documents. I saw the breadth of her power in Florida in the ways in which officials at the highest levels of state government defer to her. When she gives orders, they follow them.

When I began the project, I had no idea that fourteen students and three staff members would be killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Hammer’s policies transformed Florida into a state where the public carrying of firearms is a fact of daily life. Under those circumstances, such a horrifying incident now seems almost inevitable.

—Mike Spies

I think of it like businesses that don't want to have a double-bottom-line (i.e. one that values righteousness and profitability). Typically, those businesses put layer over layer to distance the person green-lighting unrighteous decisions from the people impacted by them, so they can comfortably not be compelled to make righteous decisions (which are seen as barriers to profitability). You said you wonder if anyone will interview her - I wonder how many people outside her personal echo chamber are even given the opportunity to discuss her impact. My guess is single digits.

Big Bank Hank

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mrussel1

Yeah we got it the first time, when it wasn't in 28 font and bold.  

Big Bank Hank

mrussel1 said:

Yeah we got it the first time, when it wasn't in 28 font and bold.  

I didn't see it when it got moved, sorry

tbergs

Big Bank Hank said:

exclusive video, this is a far right website that I no way endorse, but this department training video is very legit & proves he flat out lied to Jake Tapper on CNN 2 days ago
https://truepundit.com/exclusive-video-active-shooter-training-broward-sheriff-israel-instructs-people-run-hide-says-department-defensive-unit-doesnt-attack/

You realize that this was a training for citizens, not officers, right? Are you aware of the Run.Hide.Fight trainings that are being taught across the country? This is what is being instructed of almost all people now in the event of an active shooter. It is not being taught to LE professionals, but they are present during these trainings. We use it at my college and so do most in my area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

It's hard to not get really pissed when stuff like this is spread and furthers the bullshit conspiracies. You are being duped.

Big Bank Hank

tbergs said:

Big Bank Hank said:

exclusive video, this is a far right website that I no way endorse, but this department training video is very legit & proves he flat out lied to Jake Tapper on CNN 2 days ago
https://truepundit.com/exclusive-video-active-shooter-training-broward-sheriff-israel-instructs-people-run-hide-says-department-defensive-unit-doesnt-attack/

You realize that this was a training for citizens, not officers, right? Are you aware of the Run.Hide.Fight trainings that are being taught across the country? This is what is being instructed of almost all people now in the event of an active shooter. It is not being taught to LE professionals, but they are present during these trainings. We use it at my college and so do most in my area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

It's hard to not get really pissed when stuff like this is spread and furthers the bullshit conspiracies. You are being duped.

thanks for clearing that up, so they are wrong, kind of figures, typical for right wing bs

cincybearcat

yes Run-Hide-Fight is normal training for workplaces, etc.  Not police officers!

RYME

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
And then this happens.  
I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.

tbergs

RYME said:

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
And then this happens.  
I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.

None of this changes the fact that sem-auto rifles like the AR-15 should be banned and mag capacity reduced for all semi-auto guns. I haven't seen much on here lately about wanting to ban all guns. Maybe from a few extremists and this only strengthens their view.

Compromise is being sought from the gun control side and this does nothing to change what is being asked from gun owners/advocates.

Halifax2TheMax

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I wonder if anyone will interview this woamn and ask her if she's proud of her life's accomplishment?

From the Reporter’s Desk

In 2015, when I began examining the National Rifle Association’s influence on American politics, the name Marion Hammer kept coming up. She had been the N.R.A.’s Florida lobbyist for nearly four decades, and those who knew her suggested she was like the Robert Moses of guns, exerting incredible control over various government processes. She created the country’s first Stand Your Ground law, and the statute that normalized the concealed carrying of handguns in public.

I learned how Hammer’s power worked in 2016, when she got involved in a low-stakes dispute. In 2000, a Florida state agency that regulates water quality had discovered that a Tampa-area gun range was polluting a neighboring wetland with lead shot. The range agreed to build a barrier to prevent further contamination, in 2004. Eleven years later, the wall hadn’t gone up, so the agency sued the range. The state’s case was widely regarded as airtight and yet several months later the lawsuit was dropped without explanation. In e-mails and text messages acquired through public-records requests, I discovered that it was Hammer who had drafted the settlement dismissing the case. Her Republican ally forwarded it to the agency, which backed out of the lawsuit the next day.

To me, the episode had great and terrifying implications. If Hammer had the authority to kill this obscure state lawsuit, what else could she do? In the past year, I interviewed dozens of Hammer’s allies and opponents, and obtained thousands of e-mails and documents. I saw the breadth of her power in Florida in the ways in which officials at the highest levels of state government defer to her. When she gives orders, they follow them.

When I began the project, I had no idea that fourteen students and three staff members would be killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Hammer’s policies transformed Florida into a state where the public carrying of firearms is a fact of daily life. Under those circumstances, such a horrifying incident now seems almost inevitable.

—Mike Spies

I think of it like businesses that don't want to have a double-bottom-line (i.e. one that values righteousness and profitability). Typically, those businesses put layer over layer to distance the person green-lighting unrighteous decisions from the people impacted by them, so they can comfortably not be compelled to make righteous decisions (which are seen as barriers to profitability). You said you wonder if anyone will interview her - I wonder how many people outside her personal echo chamber are even given the opportunity to discuss her impact. My guess is single digits.

As a lobbyist with 40 years, wandering the halls of the Florida legislature and capitol building, her echo chamber is probably quite large and extensive. Victims' family and friends should track those folks down and stand outside their homes and offices with overblown images of their bloody and dead loved ones and shame them. People don't need to be outside her echo chamber when the people inside it are responsible for enacting her will on behalf of the NRA, hence how Florida got to where it is today. 2 mass shootings, 75 total victims, a little over a year and a half apart. Florida ranks 9th in firarms deaths per capita.