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    fifefife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:
    Yeah, today’s youth have it sooooo tough.  Bunch of whiners.
    Are you not the same person who writes post about everything that is wrong with the USA and how its all the governments fault? 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    Another “responsible” gun owner paying the price, the ultimate one at that, for being a gun owner. How much do your odds increase of dying by a gun if you have guns in the house again?

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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,562
    Real American patriots in action.....


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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,214
    Bentleyspop said:
    Real American patriots in action.....


    but but they are responsible gun owners
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    People all in a tizzy about 3D printing.... when these weapons are readily available for less than $500 all over America 

    https://www.cabelas.com/product/DPMS-Oracle-Semiautomatic-Tactical-Rifles/1143595.uts
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    my2hands said:
    People all in a tizzy about 3D printing.... when these weapons are readily available for less than $500 all over America 

    https://www.cabelas.com/product/DPMS-Oracle-Semiautomatic-Tactical-Rifles/1143595.uts
    At least in a retail store there’s some expectation of due diligence so that those who shouldn’t be able to legally purchase firearms might be stopped. This? That “check,” as insignificant as it might be goes right out the window. Give it a year and you’ll see a spike in firearm shootings and deaths, particularly of former domestic partners. Unless of course the NRA and repubes in Congress are successful in further eroding firearm related statistics gathering.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Bentleyspop said:
    Real American patriots in action.....


    I want to try one...maybe from a distance though.  Plastic under those conditions just seems like a recipe for a hand held disaster.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,133
    unsung said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Real American patriots in action.....


    I want to try one...maybe from a distance though.  Plastic under those conditions just seems like a recipe for a hand held disaster.
    One can hope.  It's better than the alternative.
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    8 states sue Trump administration over 3D-printed gun instructions

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/3dguns-lawsuits-trump-administration-1.4768005?cmp=FB_Post_News
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    this will self correct. lots of missing fingers in the meantime.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Soft on crime
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    No way these 3D firearms will endure more than a few rounds. I wouldn’t trust one. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,107
    edited July 2018
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    It's on the internet ... it's just a matter of time and they'll be downloadable for anyone with internet connectivity...
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    edited July 2018
    Yeah, there will almost certainly come a time in the not-that-distant future when pretty much everyone has a 3D printer in their homes .... Hopefully by then they will have figured out how to build 3D printers that simply will not print guns, and that can be worked into law. Like I mentioned before, one would think some kind of built-in software can be devised for this purpose and foil all but the proficient hackers.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,250
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way these 3D firearms will endure more than a few rounds. I wouldn’t trust one. 
    I like all of the speculative non condemnation of these guns. Even if what you stated is true, they'll figure it out and improve them. Either way, two rounds is still two dead people more then zero rounds.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way these 3D firearms will endure more than a few rounds. I wouldn’t trust one. 
    I like all of the speculative non condemnation of these guns. Even if what you stated is true, they'll figure it out and improve them. Either way, two rounds is still two dead people more then zero rounds.
    Exactly, and it seems that most aren't aware that many different materials can be used in 3D printing. It's not like they only make things out of weak plastic.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,133
    3D printed guns are just another reminder of why we can't have nice things.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,250
    PJ_Soul said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way these 3D firearms will endure more than a few rounds. I wouldn’t trust one. 
    I like all of the speculative non condemnation of these guns. Even if what you stated is true, they'll figure it out and improve them. Either way, two rounds is still two dead people more then zero rounds.
    Exactly, and it seems that most aren't aware that many different materials can be used in 3D printing. It's not like they only make things out of weak plastic.
    I also remember a time when Glocks were made fun of for being too "plastic". They seem to be doing pretty well in the killing department these days.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,250
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way these 3D firearms will endure more than a few rounds. I wouldn’t trust one. 
    Also, you're not the target audience of these printers, yet. I'm sure more appealable options for you will come along, but ultimately they know who they need to cater these to and will follow suit with the ability to replicate classic assault rifles.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way these 3D firearms will endure more than a few rounds. I wouldn’t trust one. 
    Also, you're not the target audience of these printers, yet. I'm sure more appealable options for you will come along, but ultimately they know who they need to cater these to and will follow suit with the ability to replicate classic assault rifles.
    Very true bud. Scary shit. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    edited July 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
    Of course not. He just lives in a country that doesn't suffer from a crazy gun culture.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
    Of course not. He just lives in a country that doesn't suffer from a crazy gun culture.
    Like anything else when it becomes first available it will be cool but I see people losing interest in it very quickly.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,665
    Watch that gun deaths number go up now. MAGA.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/health/common-methods-of-homicide-cdc/index.html


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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,107
    edited July 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
    No.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,107
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
    Of course not. He just lives in a country that doesn't suffer from a crazy gun culture.
    Like anything else when it becomes first available it will be cool but I see people losing interest in it very quickly.  
    I mean, when you can get an AR15 with your happy meal... why the need to 3D print a gun.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
    Of course not. He just lives in a country that doesn't suffer from a crazy gun culture.
    Like anything else when it becomes first available it will be cool but I see people losing interest in it very quickly.  
    I mean, when you can get an AR15 with your happy meal... why the need to 3D print a gun.
      When I got my kid a happy meal the other day he got an Incredibles toy; I didn't realize they handed AR-15's with Happy Meals in Sweden.  Sick!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2018
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
    Of course not. He just lives in a country that doesn't suffer from a crazy gun culture.
    Like anything else when it becomes first available it will be cool but I see people losing interest in it very quickly.  
    I mean, when you can get an AR15 with your happy meal... why the need to 3D print a gun.
    Seriously, the only places I can see 3D printed guns being an issue are places where it is difficult to get them otherwise.

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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,629
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Lucky to live in a country where I don't have to think about 3D firearms being a big threat.
    Are 3D printers or the internet banned where you live?  
    Of course not. He just lives in a country that doesn't suffer from a crazy gun culture.
    Like anything else when it becomes first available it will be cool but I see people losing interest in it very quickly.  
    I mean, when you can get an AR15 with your happy meal... why the need to 3D print a gun.
    Seriously, the only places I can see 3D printed guns bring an issue are places where it is difficult to get them otherwise.
    I think you might be underestimating the appeal here, even when "real" guns are easy to get. It will likely be a hell of a lot cheaper to print them than buy them, it won't require the person to deal with any bureaucracy or anything, it's simply a novelty and actually fun to make your own, people will be able to alter them/"personalize" them, creativity will become a factor for hobbyists, and, of course, criminals and others who can't get a gun through legal channels will be all over it, especially if they make the ones that don't set off metal detectors. There are a ton of reasons why 3D printed guns will be an issue in places they are relatively easy to get "the old fashioned way".
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