America's Gun Violence

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,124
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/


    whatabout whatabout whatabout


    I always love the phrase "honest and hard working" to describe all the white folks. Look, unsung, I'm not claiming you are racist by making that statement. But it is so inherently biased and flawed to assume all the residents of any given town/city/area are the honest and hardworking ones when all that is being done is trying to paint all the immigrants, largely people of colour, as the boogeyman. which is so far fetched and far from the truth it's comical. 

    what about all the honest and hardworking and harmless illegal immigrants? the ones that drive your economy? the ones that, if all were deported or jailed like many wish they were, your economy would collapse within 6 months?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,459
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/


    whatabout whatabout whatabout


    I always love the phrase "honest and hard working" to describe all the white folks. Look, unsung, I'm not claiming you are racist by making that statement. But it is so inherently biased and flawed to assume all the residents of any given town/city/area are the honest and hardworking ones when all that is being done is trying to paint all the immigrants, largely people of colour, as the boogeyman. which is so far fetched and far from the truth it's comical. 

    what about all the honest and hardworking and harmless illegal immigrants? the ones that drive your economy? the ones that, if all were deported or jailed like many wish they were, your economy would collapse within 6 months?
    He fears elimination of the white race, Hugh.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,124
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/


    whatabout whatabout whatabout


    I always love the phrase "honest and hard working" to describe all the white folks. Look, unsung, I'm not claiming you are racist by making that statement. But it is so inherently biased and flawed to assume all the residents of any given town/city/area are the honest and hardworking ones when all that is being done is trying to paint all the immigrants, largely people of colour, as the boogeyman. which is so far fetched and far from the truth it's comical. 

    what about all the honest and hardworking and harmless illegal immigrants? the ones that drive your economy? the ones that, if all were deported or jailed like many wish they were, your economy would collapse within 6 months?
    He fears elimination of the white race, Hugh.
    I saw that, and I see people constantly badger him about it. I did once too, as a joke, but I highly doubt he meant it that way. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,459
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/


    whatabout whatabout whatabout


    I always love the phrase "honest and hard working" to describe all the white folks. Look, unsung, I'm not claiming you are racist by making that statement. But it is so inherently biased and flawed to assume all the residents of any given town/city/area are the honest and hardworking ones when all that is being done is trying to paint all the immigrants, largely people of colour, as the boogeyman. which is so far fetched and far from the truth it's comical. 

    what about all the honest and hardworking and harmless illegal immigrants? the ones that drive your economy? the ones that, if all were deported or jailed like many wish they were, your economy would collapse within 6 months?
    He fears elimination of the white race, Hugh.
    I saw that, and I see people constantly badger him about it. I did once too, as a joke, but I highly doubt he meant it that way. 
    Oh, I believe he does.
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  • Unsung...

    Would you still oppose banning assault rifles if you knew for certain that doing so would save at least one school shooting in the future (like you said you would a few weeks back)?

    Or would you make that sacrifice now?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,472
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/


    whatabout whatabout whatabout


    I always love the phrase "honest and hard working" to describe all the white folks. Look, unsung, I'm not claiming you are racist by making that statement. But it is so inherently biased and flawed to assume all the residents of any given town/city/area are the honest and hardworking ones when all that is being done is trying to paint all the immigrants, largely people of colour, as the boogeyman. which is so far fetched and far from the truth it's comical. 

    what about all the honest and hardworking and harmless illegal immigrants? the ones that drive your economy? the ones that, if all were deported or jailed like many wish they were, your economy would collapse within 6 months?
    He fears elimination of the white race, Hugh.
    I saw that, and I see people constantly badger him about it. I did once too, as a joke, but I highly doubt he meant it that way. 
    Oh, I believe he does.
    So do I.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,124
    I prefer not to judge people solely on what they post online, especially if it's one comment. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,472
    I prefer not to judge people solely on what they post online, especially if it's one comment. 
    I make this choice on a case-by-case basis. It is my opinion that certain statements have more weight than others. That statement was one of the weightier ones.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,459
    I prefer not to judge people solely on what they post online, especially if it's one comment. 
    It’s all in a context of a history of posting. But yea, that’s a confining one.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,124
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
  • october22october22 Posts: 2,533
    my2hands said:
    And I stand by my statement... arming teachers is the dumbest idea ive ever heard in my entire life... it's flat out lunacy... but what do I expect from a shithole country that cast 60,000,000+ votes for Donald F'n Trump

    These answers are all short-sighted... we need to take a 50-100 year look at this, simply because America is littered with hundreds of millions of guns as mentioned... even if all guns were banned t mw we would still gave lots of issues in the coming years... take action now so maybe your grandchildren will live in a better place, because your kids are fucked
    Man, I agree with a lot of what you say except the shithole part. Arming teachers is ridiculous, and your sentiment about your cousin makes a lot of sense. We've got problems here for sure. We rank above and below other countries on all kinds of metrics, but I'd argue that we haven't hit "shithole" level by a long shot. It's obviously a nebulous argument, but I'm just saying things aren't that bad yet.

    And yeah, I returned because even though I may argue with some of you dickheads, I still consider this place a home after so many years and many of you guys my friends. And I appreciate the passion here even when I disagree with you.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,486
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/


    whatabout whatabout whatabout


    These had warrants issued.  The Mayor should be arrested for aiding and abetting.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,486
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
    Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

    Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.


  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Here is another reason.  There were 800 warrants issued for this action.  The Mayor was more concerned with protecting illegal alien criminals over the honest and hard working citizens of the community.  That is over 500 outstanding warrants.  If she isn't willing to protect her community then don't complain when people are forced to protect themselves.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/libby-schaaf-ice-raid-oakland-tip-off-justice-department-investigating/


    whatabout whatabout whatabout


    These had warrants issued.  The Mayor should be arrested for aiding and abetting.
    And you having an AR-15 does what about this situation?
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,486
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
    Yep.  It is ok though I left my feelings at the door.
  • ponytdponytd NashvillePosts: 548
    Found this article and found it very fascinating. I've been one of those people saying we need to keep guns out of mentally ill, but have also thought, they're probably not the main cause of mass shootings. According to this, they're not. It's people who have been bullied, or picked on or feel like everything is against them. It also talks about how the media shouldn't give the perpetrators  any attention, since many people that commit these crimes want to mimic those and outdo those before them. I also noticed the article never mentions any shooter by name so good to see they followed their own advice.

    It's somewhat long, but a good read and encourage everyone to read it. (it should open as a PDF)
    https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,459
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
    The dog whistle is subtle.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,511
    unsung said:
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
    Yep.  It is ok though I left my feelings at the door.
    ...feelings aren't the only thing you apparently left at the door...
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,124
    unsung said:
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
    Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

    Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.


    not only, but it largely implies that, as I said, a high percentage are people of colour. but I also stressed that I find it funny that hard working an honest only applies to residents. Why is that? You don't see plenty of hard working and honest immigrants?
  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:
    Unsung...

    Give me an example of why you would need an AR-15 or similar type of weapon?
    https://youtu.be/03BZWbi7OgI
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,511
    unsung said:
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
    Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

    Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.


    not only, but it largely implies that, as I said, a high percentage are people of colour. but I also stressed that I find it funny that hard working an honest only applies to residents. Why is that? You don't see plenty of hard working and honest immigrants?
    Does that mean tenured English professors are in the clear? Evidently not.

    Augsburg University's Dr. Mzenga Wanyama, a Kenyan-born graduate of the University of Minnesota who now teaches post-colonial theory and African American literature, has just been asked to attend a meeting Friday morning at the ICE office in St. Paul to discuss his immigration status and "plans for removal."




    It's a shame he wasn't from Norway
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,118
    unsung said:
    thing is, he has made several other statements in different contexts in direct contrast to that, but everyone focuses on that one statement and ignores the rest. 
    Saying someone is hard working and honest...tell me how that applies to only white people?  Sometimes this forum creates and implies statements to suit an agenda, this is one of them.  Vivid imaginations.

    Bottom line 800 arrest warrants were issued.  The WHITE Mayor warned people that had warrants issued.  Over 500 warrants were not executed because of this WHITE Mayor.


    And again, what does you owning an AR-15 have to do with this situation?

    You gonna posse up and round up the bad hombres?
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,110
    ponytd said:
    Found this article and found it very fascinating. I've been one of those people saying we need to keep guns out of mentally ill, but have also thought, they're probably not the main cause of mass shootings. According to this, they're not. It's people who have been bullied, or picked on or feel like everything is against them. It also talks about how the media shouldn't give the perpetrators  any attention, since many people that commit these crimes want to mimic those and outdo those before them. I also noticed the article never mentions any shooter by name so good to see they followed their own advice.

    It's somewhat long, but a good read and encourage everyone to read it. (it should open as a PDF)
    https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099

    Yes, the issue of mental illness and violence, particularly gun violence, is a complex one. The media tends to talk about "mental illness" like it is a unitary phenomenon, but that term encompasses a whole host of different conditions and situations, most of which have little to no bearing on whether that person will be violent. 

    Even though I'm in favour of pretty strict gun control, I can't say I'm in favour of gun restrictions based solely on some nebulous definition of "mental illness", because it will exclude a huge number of people who aren't likely to be violent without catching those that are. What's needed is a valid assessment of risk looking at features actually linked to violence, which includes some elements of mental illness but also many other factors, for everyone acquiring a firearm. This is possible, but I don't see it ever happening.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,511
    Gunman Opens Fire, Holds Hostages At Yountville Veterans Home

    This is an outrage, our veterans' homes are soft targets!  There needs to be armed guards at every single one of them!

    They could hire retired veterans to......oh wait.....
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  • Armed guards on every street corner lol.

    If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

    Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,328
    Armed guards on every street corner lol.

    If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

    Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

    The tail wags the dog.
    I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,110
    mcgruff10 said:
    Armed guards on every street corner lol.

    If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

    Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

    The tail wags the dog.
    I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.
    I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,328
    mcgruff10 said:
    Armed guards on every street corner lol.

    If the schools with armed teachers and seals are impenetrable... then psychos will go to a senior centre or daycare. With assault rifles no less.

    Just goofy. Even the most ardent second amendment supporter must be questioning the logic behind trying to maintain the status quo and ensuring public safety.

    The tail wags the dog.
    I had a seminar with our pd the other day and one statistic shows that mass shootings in schools are down percentage wise because of the fact that they are more secure.  Criminals aren't stupid, you make schools more secure then they go for something less secure like open air concerts or this vet hospital. Craziness.
    I would really like to see those statistics. Mass school shootings are statistically very rare, even though each one captures our attention, so I have trouble believing that there are any valid stats around shootings being reduced because schools are “more secure”. 
    First chance I get I will email him and ask him for his footnotes. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 2,516

    The National Rifle Association has reportedly filed a lawsuit over Florida gun legislation that was signed into law Friday, according to the Associated Press.

    Florida lawmakers passed a bill this week that raises the minimum age for purchasing firearms from 18 to 21, and implements a three-day waiting period for purchase of most long guns. The bill came just weeks after the shooting that left 17 dead and more than a dozen injured at a South Florida high school.

    Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill into law on Friday in a sharp break from the NRA.

    The new law also creates new mental health programs for schools, and allows some trained school personnel to carry concealed handguns on school campuses.

    The NRA harshly criticized the bill after Scott signed it, saying the new measure "punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual."


    http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/377694-nra-sues-over-new-florida-gun-legislation-report

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,459

    The National Rifle Association has reportedly filed a lawsuit over Florida gun legislation that was signed into law Friday, according to the Associated Press.

    Florida lawmakers passed a bill this week that raises the minimum age for purchasing firearms from 18 to 21, and implements a three-day waiting period for purchase of most long guns. The bill came just weeks after the shooting that left 17 dead and more than a dozen injured at a South Florida high school.

    Florida GOP Gov. Rick Scott signed the bill into law on Friday in a sharp break from the NRA.

    The new law also creates new mental health programs for schools, and allows some trained school personnel to carry concealed handguns on school campuses.

    The NRA harshly criticized the bill after Scott signed it, saying the new measure "punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual."


    http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/377694-nra-sues-over-new-florida-gun-legislation-report

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