America's Gun Violence

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?


  • unsung said:
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?



    Stairs too and the nasty falls they induce!

    Are you trying to equate accidents that occur using items designed for daily use... to successful incidents which have occurred as a result of an item working exactly as it was intended? The AR15 is designed for death. 

    This is what your argument has become lol? Basically, it seems as if you are saying, "Come on... if we can live with slippery sidewalks and cell phones creating distracted drivers... we can live with a few mass slaughters. Don't punish the guys who really like to shoot shit because a few maniacs go crazy every now and then."
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,028
    pathetic
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,136
    unsung said:
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?


    since heart disease is the leading cause of death among males, we should just forget all about cancer. fuck cancer research. it's a waste of time since it kills fewer people than heart disease. 
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    unsung said:
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?


    since heart disease is the leading cause of death among males, we should just forget all about cancer. fuck cancer research. it's a waste of time since it kills fewer people than heart disease. 
    Let me know when the globalist Bloomberg pumps in $2M to do research on any of that the way he buys political candidates and white suburban soccer moms to be the face of his agenda.

    I'm taking a not wild guess to say that he outspends the NRA when it comes to buying people.

    Here is the link so nobody has to look this one up either.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-20/news/ct-met-2nd-district-democrats-focus-20130220_1_alderman-anthony-beale-longtime-handgun-ban
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,429
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?


    since heart disease is the leading cause of death among males, we should just forget all about cancer. fuck cancer research. it's a waste of time since it kills fewer people than heart disease. 
    Let me know when the globalist Bloomberg pumps in $2M to do research on any of that the way he buys political candidates and white suburban soccer moms to be the face of his agenda.

    I'm taking a not wild guess to say that he outspends the NRA when it comes to buying people.

    Here is the link so nobody has to look this one up either.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-20/news/ct-met-2nd-district-democrats-focus-20130220_1_alderman-anthony-beale-longtime-handgun-ban
    Globalist? Is that like a statist? Or a soroist? Or just someone who spends more money on a cause that you oppose? Maybe a Kochist?
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,028
    "Globalism" has lead to the safest/most peaceful time on modern earth and helps provide our cushy American lifestyle that you enjoy

    But feel free to keep sucking down that nationalist propaganda

    You going to round up those bad hombres or what?
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,638
    Globalists,  leftists, commies, oh my
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Just admit it has nothing to do with protecting kids.  Just admit the real agenda.  Stand up, be proud.  Own it.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,136
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?


    since heart disease is the leading cause of death among males, we should just forget all about cancer. fuck cancer research. it's a waste of time since it kills fewer people than heart disease. 
    Let me know when the globalist Bloomberg pumps in $2M to do research on any of that the way he buys political candidates and white suburban soccer moms to be the face of his agenda.

    I'm taking a not wild guess to say that he outspends the NRA when it comes to buying people.

    Here is the link so nobody has to look this one up either.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-20/news/ct-met-2nd-district-democrats-focus-20130220_1_alderman-anthony-beale-longtime-handgun-ban
    huh? 

    a) who gives a shit what bloomburg pumps his money into?
    b) what does that have to do with anything? this is nothing but another deflection. "hey, I don't want you to look at this problem, so let's bring up another problem that i can dangle in front of them and hopefully they bite that carrot and leave mine alone". 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,642
    edited March 12
    unsung said:
    11 kids die a day from texting while driving.

    Anyone know when that illegal walkout is scheduled?
    Illegal? How so?

    Nd nice deflection... cause of course you can be concerned about more than 1 thing at once. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,007
    edited March 12
    Illegal because it is against the law for children to be out of school. They can get a ticket for it and appear in court. Many schools and districts are granting permission for this walkout to avoid any legal consequences, and I think it would be sort of low to ticket anyone for truancy in this protest, but I think that is what he means by illegal.
    A local cop said he hopes schools do enforce truancy rules, as sometimes these kids unintentionally cause problems. I think this particular cop was seriously injured in a traffic accident caused by a car avoiding protesting kids. So he's a little bitter about kids walking through streets to protest, I probably would be too.

    Working in education I can say from my experience maybe about 90% of the kids who do walkouts (for any reason)  just want to join the crowd and leave school, only very few truly care about the cause. Which sucks because it overshadows those who do care. 
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,136
    mace1229 said:
    Illegal because it is against the law for children to be out of school. They can get a ticket for it and appear in court. Many schools and districts are granting permission for this walkout to avoid any legal consequences, and I think it would be sort of low to ticket anyone for truancy in this protest, but I think that is what he means by illegal.
    A local cop said he hopes schools do enforce truancy rules, as sometimes these kids unintentionally cause problems. I think this particular cop was seriously injured in a traffic accident caused by a car avoiding protesting kids.

    Working in education I can say from my experience maybe about 90% of the kids who do walkouts (for any reason)  just want to join the crowd and leave school, only very few truly care about the cause. Which sucks because it overshadows those who do care. 
    I was going to reply with your last paragraph. It really is unfortunate, but par for the course when dealing with such a wide range of maturity levels. 
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    And that reinforces my point, if the issue is so important then they should not have a problem with doing it on a Saturday.  I would not be against that.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,028
    Get off my lawn!!!

    Give me a fucking break 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,136
    unsung said:
    And that reinforces my point, if the issue is so important then they should not have a problem with doing it on a Saturday.  I would not be against that.
    yeah, because a walkout on a day when the organization you are walking out from is closed makes a whole lot of sense. 
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,250
    unsung said:
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?


    While I don't think a ban of cell phones under 21 is the solution, I agree with you that our efforts to reduce unnatural deaths from any cause should be proportional to the scope of impact we observe today from that cause. Note that I said "scope of impact" and not "rate of fatality" - there is impact beyond a death that metrics can't adequately convey (fools figure and figures fool).

    The reason that deaths from gun violence are given such energy is because of the traumatizing nature, and the way they strip people of their faith in humanity (something very hard to get back). I passed a motorcycle accident the other day. A guy was speeding late at night, missed a weave in the road, and flew into a tree and died. That stripped me of my faith in that person, but not in humanity. I can't say the same for the ongoing shootings. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,136
    unsung said:
    ok, so putting this in perspective, if you think that if school shootings are so rare that nothing should be done about gun control, then why is fear of terrorists fuelling policy on immigration (muslim ban), when being killed by a terrorist is exponentially lower than what Republicans would have you believe?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,136
    benjs said:
    unsung said:
    Ban cell phones for those under 21.  Clearly this is a public health crisis if it exceeds, by far, the amount of people killed in school shootings.   

    The evil AR15 is what, about under 1%, of the amount of annual deaths by comparison?


    While I don't think a ban of cell phones under 21 is the solution, I agree with you that our efforts to reduce unnatural deaths from any cause should be proportional to the scope of impact we observe today from that cause. Note that I said "scope of impact" and not "rate of fatality" - there is impact beyond a death that metrics can't adequately convey (fools figure and figures fool).

    The reason that deaths from gun violence are given such energy is because of the traumatizing nature, and the way they strip people of their faith in humanity (something very hard to get back). I passed a motorcycle accident the other day. A guy was speeding late at night, missed a weave in the road, and flew into a tree and died. That stripped me of my faith in that person, but not in humanity. I can't say the same for the ongoing shootings. 
    as always, 100% benjs. 
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    unsung said:
    ok, so putting this in perspective, if you think that if school shootings are so rare that nothing should be done about gun control, then why is fear of terrorists fuelling policy on immigration (muslim ban), when being killed by a terrorist is exponentially lower than what Republicans would have you believe?
    I believe it is more than just terrorism.  

    I support legal and controlled immigration if they can come here and do so without adding to the welfare numbers.  I don’t support relocating refugees in small town usa, keep them in the big cities to start.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 17,429
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    ok, so putting this in perspective, if you think that if school shootings are so rare that nothing should be done about gun control, then why is fear of terrorists fuelling policy on immigration (muslim ban), when being killed by a terrorist is exponentially lower than what Republicans would have you believe?
    I believe it is more than just terrorism.  

    I support legal and controlled immigration if they can come here and do so without adding to the welfare numbers.  I don’t support relocating refugees in small town usa, keep them in the big cities to start.
    Sounds like apartheid. I’m not surprised.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,136
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    ok, so putting this in perspective, if you think that if school shootings are so rare that nothing should be done about gun control, then why is fear of terrorists fuelling policy on immigration (muslim ban), when being killed by a terrorist is exponentially lower than what Republicans would have you believe?
    I believe it is more than just terrorism.  

    I support legal and controlled immigration if they can come here and do so without adding to the welfare numbers.  I don’t support relocating refugees in small town usa, keep them in the big cities to start.
    the initial immigration clusterfuck was the muslim ban, which was based on nothing other than fear, and not even based in fact (since so many other countries not on the ban were known terrorist hubs), that those countries' citizens brought terrorists to the US. 

    why keep refugees in big cities?
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Small towns often don't have the resources.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 17,051
    unsung said:
    LOL. Whoops. Spell check anybody?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Ok, ok, ok, you win...I fully support a ban of all AR47's.

    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
  • dignindignin Posts: 6,635
    unsung said:
    Considering the source, the probability of it being photoshopped are very high.

    Zero credibility.
  • unsung said:
    So. Who cares?

    Do you have to know the specifications to understand they are a problem? Really... you only need a third of a functioning brain.
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