America's Gun Violence
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Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.0 -
what did he make about race that wasn't? besides the comments he made about the Gates arrest that he later regretted. but how was the Gates arrest a non-issue? do you really believe that a white man would have been arrested "breaking into" his own home?mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Forgive me if I take that with a grain of salt when it comes from a guy who voted for Trump, who is a misogynist, a sexual predator and a racist among many other things.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
But let's talk about Obama.0 -
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.0 -
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
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It's tough... uniting a diverse country that features, for example, a significant sector of the population that is well educated, capable of critical thought, and possesses empathy and concern for others... with a significant sector of the population that has no need for a dental plan, doesn't shower, and thinks minority people are only fit for the fields.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
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Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.0 -
I have no idea who had that expectation.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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What country are you living in?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
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What is a "true racist"?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.
And who ever thought that race relations would be "solved" by the election of one black president? Given the fact that racism has been alive and well for hundreds of years in this country, that's absurd.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
AmericaHalifax2TheMax said:
What country are you living in?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.0 -
I can't be the only to hear numerous people over and over again say we don't have a race problem and use who was living in the whote house as proof?oftenreading said:
What is a "true racist"?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.
And who ever thought that race relations would be "solved" by the election of one black president? Given the fact that racism has been alive and well for hundreds of years in this country, that's absurd.
I'm not saying I agreed, but there were a lot of folks who thought there wasn't as issue because of who lived in the white house.0 -
mace1229 said:
I can't be the only to hear numerous people over and over again say we don't have a race problem and use who was living in the whote house as proof?oftenreading said:
What is a "true racist"?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.
And who ever thought that race relations would be "solved" by the election of one black president? Given the fact that racism has been alive and well for hundreds of years in this country, that's absurd.
I'm not saying I agreed, but there were a lot of folks who thought there wasn't as issue because of who lived in the white house.
Ah.
Those people were not saying that a race problem was "solved" by having a black man elected to the office of POTUS. Those people were saying there never was a race problem, and the election of said POTUS was proof of that premise. Two very different things.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Your view of America is vastly different from mine as it relates to race relations.mace1229 said:
AmericaHalifax2TheMax said:
What country are you living in?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.
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It may be. I've spent most of my life living or working in areas where the minorities were by far the majority. That probably is completely different than someone whose main experiences are in the deep south or many other places. I'm used to (or was) not seeing another white person on the way to work or when I shopped in the grocery store.Halifax2TheMax said:
Your view of America is vastly different from mine as it relates to race relations.mace1229 said:
AmericaHalifax2TheMax said:
What country are you living in?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.
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I visit West Virginia a couple of times a yr and believe me there's Racism alive & kicking down there or go down to gainsville plenty of there too ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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mace1229 said:
It may be. I've spent most of my life living or working in areas where the minorities were by far the majority. That probably is completely different than someone whose main experiences are in the deep south or many other places. I'm used to (or was) not seeing another white person on the way to work or when I shopped in the grocery store.Halifax2TheMax said:
Your view of America is vastly different from mine as it relates to race relations.mace1229 said:
AmericaHalifax2TheMax said:
What country are you living in?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.
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not sure how that is a response to my comment about minorities?CM189191 said:mace1229 said:
It may be. I've spent most of my life living or working in areas where the minorities were by far the majority. That probably is completely different than someone whose main experiences are in the deep south or many other places. I'm used to (or was) not seeing another white person on the way to work or when I shopped in the grocery store.Halifax2TheMax said:
Your view of America is vastly different from mine as it relates to race relations.mace1229 said:
AmericaHalifax2TheMax said:
What country are you living in?mace1229 said:
Thats probably true, although I just don't think true racists make up a significant portion of the population. Yes there are some, but in most parts of the country they are uncommon.HughFreakingDillon said:
his direct quote about the Gates case:mace1229 said:
Power was not the correct word, "popularity" would have been better.tbergs said:
What power do they have? My understanding is that they organized around shootings involving black men. I think they lack a true leader, but is there anything wrong with a group trying to increase awareness and demand change around racial inequity? Your comment is phrased in such a way that it seems you view them as completely negative and unnecessary.mace1229 said:
Obama did a lot of good things. One thing he didn't do was unite. He had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth and make situations about race when they weren't. Its my belief BLM grew to power under him because of his actions.HughFreakingDillon said:I have fully accepted now that America is a divided nation, and always will be. doesn't help that you elected a divider in chief. but I don't think it makes a huge difference anyway. Obama was a great speaker, but even he couldn't bring the country together.
Even that beer summons thing is a perfect example of that. A complete non-issue turned into nationwide race card topic.
As far as HFDs question here are just a couple exzmples at the top of my head.
The Beer Summons: A neighbor called the cops because he thought someone was breaking into his neighbors house. Turns out it was his house but just got locked out, so he refused to cooperate with police when they arrived. Of course police were suspicious, he refused to cooperate. Obama heavily criticized the police without knowing any of the facts, and his way of apologize without admitting fault was to invite the police chief over for beer.
He consistantly made comments with Trevon Martin, Michael Brown and every other high profile case before knowing any of the details.
Now I'm not convinced Mark Zimmerman is completely innocent, but Trevon wasn;t that 12-year-old kid the media kept posting a picture of either, and he fell right into that play with his comments that if he had a son it would the Trevon.
Doesn't even comment on Kate Steinle's murder which was nationwide news, but will comment on every police shooting involving a black man before any details are even known.
I'm not accusing him of racism or anything. Just that I personally don't think he handled race relations well. And the fact they are the worst they've been since the 60s during our first black president (before Trump) seems to justify that comment.
"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.
when I have more time I'll have to look up his comments on those other cases. But all I could find about Trayvon was his comments after Zimmerman was acquitted.
I think race relations got worse because you had 8 years of racists looking at the tv and seeing everything they hate in the world as their president. it empowered the black community to rise up and stop taking shit, and things boiled over.
racists didn't like having a black president who called america what it was: an historically and currently racist country.
A big factor was the expectation that race problems would be solved just by having a black president to begin with, And when that didnt automatically happen, tensions got worse among those relationships.
...um....
That graph is about blacks, and doesnt even include the largest group of minorities in our country. And seeing how I was talking about minorities, I am having trouble seeing the relationship between your response and my comment.0 -
All my comment was is that for the majority of my life I have lived in an area with mostly minorities.
I lived in a hispanic neighborhood of LA, worked in south-central LA with almost no other whites in the neighborhood or my work. Based on that experience I saw very little or no racism, but that very well may be because there were not other white people around to be racist. So I also said in other parts of the country I recognize it may be a bigger factor, but it hasn't been in my experience.
Your graph just shows more blacks like in the south, I think we all already knew that.0
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