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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    • Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle said he will not support a bill that would give Delta a massive tax break, unless the airline reverses its decision to sever a partnership with the National Rifle Association.
    • Delta ended the NRA partnership on Saturday due to pressure from gun control advocates following the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.
    • The proposed bill would exempt jet fuel purchases from Georgia sales tax and could save Delta around $40 million.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/delta-nra-georgia-casey-cagle-threatens-retaliation-2018-2
    Delta should refuse to fly to and from Georgia, pull their jobs, move their headquarters.
    This is unbelievable.  Hypocrites.  They want a damn cake baker to be able to not serve a gay couple but they want the government to step in and threaten a company with their votes for not supporting another organization???? 
    Delta employs how many thousands of people in Georgia?
    Lt. Gov just guaranteed he will never drop the Lt.!

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    People should see the pictures and video of the carnage. They need to see it. If they don’t see it, god forbid, they need to experience it up close and personal. Otherwise, nothing is going to change.

    How one bullet shattered a body and a family - CNN https://apple.news/AqWddLqNoSNid-wkbmNZO6g
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    People should see the pictures and video of the carnage. They need to see it. If they don’t see it, god forbid, they need to experience it up close and personal. Otherwise, nothing is going to change.

    How one bullet shattered a body and a family - CNN https://apple.news/AqWddLqNoSNid-wkbmNZO6g
    ^^This
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    In other news. (Sorry, Something weird is going on with my comment in a grey box)
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    This is an interesting incident that happened in Milwaukee.
    Carjackings have been an epidemic in Milwaukee recently.  I'm not making a statement here I'm just curious to see what people's reactions are to this story.
    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/26/would-carjacker-shot-killed-concealed-carry-holder-outside-milwaukee-business-officials-say/374652002/
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,309
    RYME said:
    This is an interesting incident that happened in Milwaukee.
    Carjackings have been an epidemic in Milwaukee recently.  I'm not making a statement here I'm just curious to see what people's reactions are to this story.
    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/26/would-carjacker-shot-killed-concealed-carry-holder-outside-milwaukee-business-officials-say/374652002/
    Was he concealing and carrying a semi automatic weapon?
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    I wonder if anyone will interview this woamn and ask her if she's proud of her life's accomplishment?

    From the Reporter’s Desk

    In 2015, when I began examining the National Rifle Association’s influence on American politics, the name Marion Hammer kept coming up. She had been the N.R.A.’s Florida lobbyist for nearly four decades, and those who knew her suggested she was like the Robert Moses of guns, exerting incredible control over various government processes. She created the country’s first Stand Your Ground law, and the statute that normalized the concealed carrying of handguns in public.

    I learned how Hammer’s power worked in 2016, when she got involved in a low-stakes dispute. In 2000, a Florida state agency that regulates water quality had discovered that a Tampa-area gun range was polluting a neighboring wetland with lead shot. The range agreed to build a barrier to prevent further contamination, in 2004. Eleven years later, the wall hadn’t gone up, so the agency sued the range. The state’s case was widely regarded as airtight and yet several months later the lawsuit was dropped without explanation. In e-mails and text messages acquired through public-records requests, I discovered that it was Hammer who had drafted the settlement dismissing the case. Her Republican ally forwarded it to the agency, which backed out of the lawsuit the next day.

    To me, the episode had great and terrifying implications. If Hammer had the authority to kill this obscure state lawsuit, what else could she do? In the past year, I interviewed dozens of Hammer’s allies and opponents, and obtained thousands of e-mails and documents. I saw the breadth of her power in Florida in the ways in which officials at the highest levels of state government defer to her. When she gives orders, they follow them.

    When I began the project, I had no idea that fourteen students and three staff members would be killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Hammer’s policies transformed Florida into a state where the public carrying of firearms is a fact of daily life. Under those circumstances, such a horrifying incident now seems almost inevitable.

    Mike Spies

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,645
    RYME said:
    This is an interesting incident that happened in Milwaukee.
    Carjackings have been an epidemic in Milwaukee recently.  I'm not making a statement here I'm just curious to see what people's reactions are to this story.
    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/26/would-carjacker-shot-killed-concealed-carry-holder-outside-milwaukee-business-officials-say/374652002/
    Was he concealing and carrying a semi automatic weapon?
    Exactly... let's not lose sight of what most are advocating for here, the elimination of sale of semi automatic rifles.  
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    exclusive video, this is a far right website that I no way endorse, but this department training video is very legit & proves he flat out lied to Jake Tapper on CNN 2 days ago
    https://truepundit.com/exclusive-video-active-shooter-training-broward-sheriff-israel-instructs-people-run-hide-says-department-defensive-unit-doesnt-attack/
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,939
    I wonder if anyone will interview this woamn and ask her if she's proud of her life's accomplishment?

    From the Reporter’s Desk

    In 2015, when I began examining the National Rifle Association’s influence on American politics, the name Marion Hammer kept coming up. She had been the N.R.A.’s Florida lobbyist for nearly four decades, and those who knew her suggested she was like the Robert Moses of guns, exerting incredible control over various government processes. She created the country’s first Stand Your Ground law, and the statute that normalized the concealed carrying of handguns in public.

    I learned how Hammer’s power worked in 2016, when she got involved in a low-stakes dispute. In 2000, a Florida state agency that regulates water quality had discovered that a Tampa-area gun range was polluting a neighboring wetland with lead shot. The range agreed to build a barrier to prevent further contamination, in 2004. Eleven years later, the wall hadn’t gone up, so the agency sued the range. The state’s case was widely regarded as airtight and yet several months later the lawsuit was dropped without explanation. In e-mails and text messages acquired through public-records requests, I discovered that it was Hammer who had drafted the settlement dismissing the case. Her Republican ally forwarded it to the agency, which backed out of the lawsuit the next day.

    To me, the episode had great and terrifying implications. If Hammer had the authority to kill this obscure state lawsuit, what else could she do? In the past year, I interviewed dozens of Hammer’s allies and opponents, and obtained thousands of e-mails and documents. I saw the breadth of her power in Florida in the ways in which officials at the highest levels of state government defer to her. When she gives orders, they follow them.

    When I began the project, I had no idea that fourteen students and three staff members would be killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Hammer’s policies transformed Florida into a state where the public carrying of firearms is a fact of daily life. Under those circumstances, such a horrifying incident now seems almost inevitable.

    Mike Spies

    I think of it like businesses that don't want to have a double-bottom-line (i.e. one that values righteousness and profitability). Typically, those businesses put layer over layer to distance the person green-lighting unrighteous decisions from the people impacted by them, so they can comfortably not be compelled to make righteous decisions (which are seen as barriers to profitability). You said you wonder if anyone will interview her - I wonder how many people outside her personal echo chamber are even given the opportunity to discuss her impact. My guess is single digits.
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    edited February 2018

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,645
    Yeah we got it the first time, when it wasn't in 28 font and bold.  
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    mrussel1 said:
    Yeah we got it the first time, when it wasn't in 28 font and bold.  
    I didn't see it when it got moved, sorry
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,246
    exclusive video, this is a far right website that I no way endorse, but this department training video is very legit & proves he flat out lied to Jake Tapper on CNN 2 days ago
    https://truepundit.com/exclusive-video-active-shooter-training-broward-sheriff-israel-instructs-people-run-hide-says-department-defensive-unit-doesnt-attack/
    You realize that this was a training for citizens, not officers, right? Are you aware of the Run.Hide.Fight trainings that are being taught across the country? This is what is being instructed of almost all people now in the event of an active shooter. It is not being taught to LE professionals, but they are present during these trainings. We use it at my college and so do most in my area.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

    It's hard to not get really pissed when stuff like this is spread and furthers the bullshit conspiracies. You are being duped.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    tbergs said:
    exclusive video, this is a far right website that I no way endorse, but this department training video is very legit & proves he flat out lied to Jake Tapper on CNN 2 days ago
    https://truepundit.com/exclusive-video-active-shooter-training-broward-sheriff-israel-instructs-people-run-hide-says-department-defensive-unit-doesnt-attack/
    You realize that this was a training for citizens, not officers, right? Are you aware of the Run.Hide.Fight trainings that are being taught across the country? This is what is being instructed of almost all people now in the event of an active shooter. It is not being taught to LE professionals, but they are present during these trainings. We use it at my college and so do most in my area.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

    It's hard to not get really pissed when stuff like this is spread and furthers the bullshit conspiracies. You are being duped.
    thanks for clearing that up, so they are wrong, kind of figures, typical for right wing bs
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,117
    yes Run-Hide-Fight is normal training for workplaces, etc.  Not police officers!
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,246
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
    None of this changes the fact that sem-auto rifles like the AR-15 should be banned and mag capacity reduced for all semi-auto guns. I haven't seen much on here lately about wanting to ban all guns. Maybe from a few extremists and this only strengthens their view.

    Compromise is being sought from the gun control side and this does nothing to change what is being asked from gun owners/advocates.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    benjs said:
    I wonder if anyone will interview this woamn and ask her if she's proud of her life's accomplishment?

    From the Reporter’s Desk

    In 2015, when I began examining the National Rifle Association’s influence on American politics, the name Marion Hammer kept coming up. She had been the N.R.A.’s Florida lobbyist for nearly four decades, and those who knew her suggested she was like the Robert Moses of guns, exerting incredible control over various government processes. She created the country’s first Stand Your Ground law, and the statute that normalized the concealed carrying of handguns in public.

    I learned how Hammer’s power worked in 2016, when she got involved in a low-stakes dispute. In 2000, a Florida state agency that regulates water quality had discovered that a Tampa-area gun range was polluting a neighboring wetland with lead shot. The range agreed to build a barrier to prevent further contamination, in 2004. Eleven years later, the wall hadn’t gone up, so the agency sued the range. The state’s case was widely regarded as airtight and yet several months later the lawsuit was dropped without explanation. In e-mails and text messages acquired through public-records requests, I discovered that it was Hammer who had drafted the settlement dismissing the case. Her Republican ally forwarded it to the agency, which backed out of the lawsuit the next day.

    To me, the episode had great and terrifying implications. If Hammer had the authority to kill this obscure state lawsuit, what else could she do? In the past year, I interviewed dozens of Hammer’s allies and opponents, and obtained thousands of e-mails and documents. I saw the breadth of her power in Florida in the ways in which officials at the highest levels of state government defer to her. When she gives orders, they follow them.

    When I began the project, I had no idea that fourteen students and three staff members would be killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Hammer’s policies transformed Florida into a state where the public carrying of firearms is a fact of daily life. Under those circumstances, such a horrifying incident now seems almost inevitable.

    Mike Spies

    I think of it like businesses that don't want to have a double-bottom-line (i.e. one that values righteousness and profitability). Typically, those businesses put layer over layer to distance the person green-lighting unrighteous decisions from the people impacted by them, so they can comfortably not be compelled to make righteous decisions (which are seen as barriers to profitability). You said you wonder if anyone will interview her - I wonder how many people outside her personal echo chamber are even given the opportunity to discuss her impact. My guess is single digits.
    As a lobbyist with 40 years, wandering the halls of the Florida legislature and capitol building, her echo chamber is probably quite large and extensive. Victims' family and friends should track those folks down and stand outside their homes and offices with overblown images of their bloody and dead loved ones and shame them. People don't need to be outside her echo chamber when the people inside it are responsible for enacting her will on behalf of the NRA, hence how Florida got to where it is today. 2 mass shootings, 75 total victims, a little over a year and a half apart. Florida ranks 9th in firarms deaths per capita.
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    Big Bank HankBig Bank Hank Seattle, WA Posts: 8,639
    Big Spank Bank is annoying as hell.
    likewise, so I guess that makes us even
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,309
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.

    How is this any different than the last article you posted? THIS is why people don't want to ban all guns. People have the right to protect themselves. Rational people want to ban mass killing machines, not hand guns.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,645
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.

    How is this any different than the last article you posted? THIS is why people don't want to ban all guns. People have the right to protect themselves. Rational people want to ban mass killing machines, not hand guns.
    I thought you were "to my left".  Now you've moved.  WTF dude.  
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
    I can’t read that specific article without agreeing to provide google with answers so it’s not worth it to me. I did read other articles about it on other news sites. What do you think there is to be learned from this?
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,645
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
    I can’t read that specific article without agreeing to provide google with answers so it’s not worth it to me. I did read other articles about it on other news sites. What do you think there is to be learned from this?
    That with an assault rifle, he perp could have been "super killed".. not just killed.  
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited February 2018
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
    I can’t read that specific article without agreeing to provide google with answers so it’s not worth it to me. I did read other articles about it on other news sites. What do you think there is to be learned from this?
    Sorry the first time I read that article it didn't have all those damn Google questions.  It was better detailed than the first one I posted.
    I did not post it as part of the semi-automatic AR-15 debate.
    I just thought that it was interesting.
    To be learned:
    A competent law abiding armed citizen, minding his own business (like the guy in Texas at home, across the street from the church) going to work, was able to avoid at the very least being victim of another violent crime, or at the most, could have been killed himself.
    It's unfortunate that the carjacker chose a life of crime and got himself killed.
    But this serves as a serious deterrent.
    If more people would be able to defend themselves that would serve as a deterrent.
    The carjacker didn't think he was going to run into an armed citizen.  He thought he was going to rip somebody out of the car at gunpoint and drive off with the car. Didn't happen.  The carjacker they suspect, had backup they were looking for some green Plymouth or something.  So for the carjacker's buddies who were doing this as well, I would hope that they are deterred from trying this some more after losing their buddy.
    The 24 year old here, who was the potential victim who stopped the carjacker in his tracks, probably spared future victims of these same perpetrators.
    If crooks think they're going to meet serious resistance, I'm saying that a competent law abiding armed citizenry is a good deterrent.
    I'm not saying every teacher or every citizen needs to be armed and know how to shoot, it takes a special aptitude for that that not everyone has, that's fine.
    But those who can and want to, I believe would help reduce (not eliminate) but reduce gun violence.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,554
    A start?

    Dick's Sporting Goods Ends Sale Of Assault-Style Rifles, Citing Florida Shooting http://n.pr/2BYERRE
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2018
    tbergs said:
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
    None of this changes the fact that sem-auto rifles like the AR-15 should be banned and mag capacity reduced for all semi-auto guns. I haven't seen much on here lately about wanting to ban all guns. Maybe from a few extremists and this only strengthens their view.

    Compromise is being sought from the gun control side and this does nothing to change what is being asked from gun owners/advocates.
    I would gladly ban all guns, in a heartbeat

    Remove the AR's all you want, although a great start, we will still have 40% of the world's guns with only 4% of the population 

    The idea of guns for protection is what has lead us to this country being littered with guns and gun related deaths... America's gun violence problem goes well beyond mass shootings and assault rifles. The numbers speak for themselves 

    I'm in the minority, and I'm fine with that. Good luck America, you're going to need it
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
    None of this changes the fact that sem-auto rifles like the AR-15 should be banned and mag capacity reduced for all semi-auto guns. I haven't seen much on here lately about wanting to ban all guns. Maybe from a few extremists and this only strengthens their view.

    Compromise is being sought from the gun control side and this does nothing to change what is being asked from gun owners/advocates.
    I would gladly ban all guns, in a heartbeat

    Remove the AR's all you want, although a great start, we will still have 40% of the world's guns with only 4% of the population 

    The idea of guns for protection is what has lead us to this country being littered with guns and gun related deaths... America's gun violence problem goes well beyond mass shootings and assault rifles. The numbers speak for themselves 

    I'm in the minority, and I'm fine with that. Good luck America, you're going to need it
    “Nobody wants to ban all guns”
    Man, if I had a dime for every time I have heard that phrase used.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,645
    PJPOWER said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    RYME said:
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/man-with-concealed-gun-kills-21-year-old-carjacker
    Here you have a 24 year old guy minding his own business going to work.
    And then this happens.  
    I think there's a lot to be learned or discussed about this.
    None of this changes the fact that sem-auto rifles like the AR-15 should be banned and mag capacity reduced for all semi-auto guns. I haven't seen much on here lately about wanting to ban all guns. Maybe from a few extremists and this only strengthens their view.

    Compromise is being sought from the gun control side and this does nothing to change what is being asked from gun owners/advocates.
    I would gladly ban all guns, in a heartbeat

    Remove the AR's all you want, although a great start, we will still have 40% of the world's guns with only 4% of the population 

    The idea of guns for protection is what has lead us to this country being littered with guns and gun related deaths... America's gun violence problem goes well beyond mass shootings and assault rifles. The numbers speak for themselves 

    I'm in the minority, and I'm fine with that. Good luck America, you're going to need it
    “Nobody wants to ban all guns”
    Man, if I had a dime for every time I have heard that phrase used.  
    Would you have a dollar? 

    You can  discount anything that accompanies s sentence starting with  "nobody".
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