America's Gun Violence

bootlegger10

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

I'm not anti-hand gun but I have a hard time believing the NRA actually cares about any of these victims.  I know you do, but the NRA certainly doesn't.   In my opinion.  The guy bought 36 guns in the last 12 months.  The NRA fights for that right.  It is obscene.

I'm going to quote myself here because again, the guy bought 36 guns in a 12 month period and the NRA supports that right.

Let's not get into semantics about the meaning of "fund".  A better word would be "supports". 

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

I knew you owend weapons but didn't realize your a member damn so you pay to be a member that means you contribute to the organization no ? not that Rosanne is correct but still ....

Yeah the range I belongs to requires me to be a member. But to suggest that NRA members support domestic terrorism is really dumb. Thatcsclijecsaying I am pro oil spills since I invest in Exxon. 

Not the best analogy. You're funding lobbyists whose job is to block any gun control legislation.  

Yeah I've had better.  I got a sick four year old hanging on my shoulder so I'm not 100% lol.

Ah i hope the kid feels better soon !

Thanks bud!  We are the beginning phases of the cold...life is wonderful sometimes lol. 

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

I knew you owend weapons but didn't realize your a member damn so you pay to be a member that means you contribute to the organization no ? not that Rosanne is correct but still ....

Yeah the range I belongs to requires me to be a member. But to suggest that NRA members support domestic terrorism is really dumb. Thatcsclijecsaying I am pro oil spills since I invest in Exxon. 

Not the best analogy. You're funding lobbyists whose job is to block any gun control legislation.  

Yeah I've had better.  I got a sick four year old hanging on my shoulder so I'm not 100% lol.

Ah i hope the kid feels better soon !

Thanks bud!  We are the beginning phases of the cold...life is wonderful sometimes lol. 

Enjoy it ! mine are 23 & 20 i'd give anything to be back with them at that age range anyway back to topic ...

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

I knew you owend weapons but didn't realize your a member damn so you pay to be a member that means you contribute to the organization no ? not that Rosanne is correct but still ....

Yeah the range I belongs to requires me to be a member. But to suggest that NRA members support domestic terrorism is really dumb. Thatcsclijecsaying I am pro oil spills since I invest in Exxon. 

Not the best analogy. You're funding lobbyists whose job is to block any gun control legislation.  

Yeah I've had better.  I got a sick four year old hanging on my shoulder so I'm not 100% lol.

Ah i hope the kid feels better soon !

Thanks bud!  We are the beginning phases of the cold...life is wonderful sometimes lol. 

Enjoy it ! mine are 23 & 20 i'd give anything to be back with them at that age range anyway back to topic ...

I hear ya. It is so cliche but it really does go fast. 
Ok, gloves back on!! I have changed my mind after this and I do feel all automatic weapons should be illegal in the u.s. Along with bump fire stocks. 

josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

I knew you owend weapons but didn't realize your a member damn so you pay to be a member that means you contribute to the organization no ? not that Rosanne is correct but still ....

Yeah the range I belongs to requires me to be a member. But to suggest that NRA members support domestic terrorism is really dumb. Thatcsclijecsaying I am pro oil spills since I invest in Exxon. 

Not the best analogy. You're funding lobbyists whose job is to block any gun control legislation.  

Yeah I've had better.  I got a sick four year old hanging on my shoulder so I'm not 100% lol.

Ah i hope the kid feels better soon !

Thanks bud!  We are the beginning phases of the cold...life is wonderful sometimes lol. 

Enjoy it ! mine are 23 & 20 i'd give anything to be back with them at that age range anyway back to topic ...

I hear ya. It is so cliche but it really does go fast. 
Ok, gloves back on!! I have changed my mind after this and I do feel all automatic weapons should be illegal in the u.s. Along with bump fire stocks. 

Bravo man i'm all for gunowners rights so for you to be open about this is a breath of fresh air ....

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I don't have any issue with people collecting rifles of the simple or classic variety. If someone wants 10 shotguns and 10 hunting rifles so be it. Avid hunters (such as my father used to be) find various rifles suitable for various animals.

Hunting is getting bashed as well, but as much as I seem to be getting ignored... I'll risk repeating this: shooting your meat in the forest is much more humane than buying products from large stores that ultimately encourage factory farming where animals suffer immensely. Not only that... wild meat is much healthier for the consumer as well.

It's the type of weapon (assault rifles and handguns) and large capacity magazines that need restrictions.

And Scruffy... you were taking shots there, but I have found you to be a very moderate voice in this issue despite a clear passion or enjoyment level for guns. You are also very patient with people that have taken shots at you.

I'm numb from this event. Toss in Tom Petty and what a shitty shitty weekend.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't have any issue with people collecting rifles of the simple or classic variety. If someone wants 10 shotguns and 10 hunting rifles so be it. Avid hunters (such as my father used to be) find various rifles suitable for various animals.

Hunting is getting bashed as well, but as much as I seem to be getting ignored... I'll risk repeating this: shooting your meat in the forest is much more humane than buying products from large stores that ultimately encourage factory farming where animals suffer immensely. Not only that... wild meat is much healthier for the consumer as well.

It's the type of weapon (assault rifles and handguns) and large capacity magazines that need restrictions.

And Scruffy... you were taking shots there, but I have found you to be a very moderate voice in this issue despite a clear passion or enjoyment level for guns. You are also very patient with people that have taken shots at you.

I'm numb from this event. Toss in Tom Petty and what a shitty shitty weekend.

Okay, but FTR, that is a blanket statement that doesn't apply to all meat, and also fails to acknowledge the relationship between humans and their impact on animal habitats.

(I concur about McGruff)

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't have any issue with people collecting rifles of the simple or classic variety. If someone wants 10 shotguns and 10 hunting rifles so be it. Avid hunters (such as my father used to be) find various rifles suitable for various animals.

Hunting is getting bashed as well, but as much as I seem to be getting ignored... I'll risk repeating this: shooting your meat in the forest is much more humane than buying products from large stores that ultimately encourage factory farming where animals suffer immensely. Not only that... wild meat is much healthier for the consumer as well.

It's the type of weapon (assault rifles and handguns) and large capacity magazines that need restrictions.

And Scruffy... you were taking shots there, but I have found you to be a very moderate voice in this issue despite a clear passion or enjoyment level for guns. You are also very patient with people that have taken shots at you.

I'm numb from this event. Toss in Tom Petty and what a shitty shitty weekend.

Okay, but FTR, that is a blanket statement that doesn't apply to all meat, and also fails to acknowledge the relationship between humans and their impact on animal habitats.

(I concur about McGruff)

I might need some clarification to understand what you are getting at.

I would agree that there are gross examples of hunting, but I don't think I said hunting is without flaws. In this forum I started a thread on animal abuse (I can't remember exactly what it was) and cursed hunters shooting a grizzly bear in a grotesque manner. There's another thread on factory farms and those animals and their plight is far worse than that of the bear's. Sickening really.

I'm merely trying to state that many humans eat meat. I have a little more respect for the subsistence hunter that kills his own meat than I do for myself- buying it from the butcher. Top give myself some credit... we buy from a local butcher that sells locally grown meat. It costs more, but it makes me feel a little better.

brianlux

Kat said:

omg it's like they're just throwing their hands in the air and giving up...like it's impossible to do anything at all. I'm stunned. This can't be happening. 

We Asked GOP Senators What Congress Can Do To Prevent Mass Shootings
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mass-shootings-las-vegas-gop_us_59d3ef64e4b04b9f9205baf4?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Talk about frustrating.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't have any issue with people collecting rifles of the simple or classic variety. If someone wants 10 shotguns and 10 hunting rifles so be it. Avid hunters (such as my father used to be) find various rifles suitable for various animals.

Hunting is getting bashed as well, but as much as I seem to be getting ignored... I'll risk repeating this: shooting your meat in the forest is much more humane than buying products from large stores that ultimately encourage factory farming where animals suffer immensely. Not only that... wild meat is much healthier for the consumer as well.

It's the type of weapon (assault rifles and handguns) and large capacity magazines that need restrictions.

And Scruffy... you were taking shots there, but I have found you to be a very moderate voice in this issue despite a clear passion or enjoyment level for guns. You are also very patient with people that have taken shots at you.

I'm numb from this event. Toss in Tom Petty and what a shitty shitty weekend.

Okay, but FTR, that is a blanket statement that doesn't apply to all meat, and also fails to acknowledge the relationship between humans and their impact on animal habitats.

(I concur about McGruff)

I might need some clarification to understand what you are getting at.

I would agree that there are gross examples of hunting, but I don't think I said hunting is without flaws. In this forum I started a thread on animal abuse (I can't remember exactly what it was) and cursed hunters shooting a grizzly bear in a grotesque manner. There's another thread on factory farms and those animals and their plight is far worse than that of the bear's. Sickening really.

I'm merely trying to state that many humans eat meat. I have a little more respect for the subsistence hunter that kills his own meat than I do for myself- buying it from the butcher. Top give myself some credit... we buy from a local butcher that sells locally grown meat. It costs more, but it makes me feel a little better.

I eat meat too. I also already stated multiple times that necessity is an exception, so subsistence hunters are not what I'm talking about (unless they are unscrupulous about it, and some are). This is really just me picking my battles and showing a specific interest in the subject of sport hunting (eating it doesn't make it much better for me, for many reasons that I've already mentioned). I do not agree with going into the wild and killing wild animals for fun (even when there is an attempt to justify the fun by eating the dead animal afterwards). I think that the wild that we've got left should be the animals' domain, not ours. We are the interlopers out there IMO, because of the way we have encroached upon, destroyed, manipulated, and taken for granted the nature in which these animals reside. If we'd always shown respect for the land and the animals and cared about natural balances, I wouldn't saying this. It's just not fucking fair, to put it in simple terms. I also simply think it's demented to get pleasure out of killing, which is what's involved for 95% of hunters.

I agree that there are horrible abuses happening in factory farms as well - of course that dismays me greatly. I think farmed animals should be treated like gold. But that hasn't been the topic at hand (I mean, this conversation started, obviously, because gun lovers tie their defense of lax gun regulations to their desire to hunt for sport). That is great that you buy locally grown meat (I'm assuming you're implying that that means the animals are treated humanely). I too do my best to eat my protein in a responsible way.

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

McG, it's a general statement not directed at any one member.  If you are an NRA member and if you don't like what's happening with all the shootings (a mass murder takes place in America everyday) you, as a member,  have more influence on the NRA and how it reacts to those horrible events than those of us who are not.  I hope you are pushing the NRA to be proactive in supporting background checks and making the kinds of guns that are specifically made to kill many people and illegal firearm modifications that make that more possible less available to the public. 

As it stands, I have to agree, in general, to Cash's statement.

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

McG, it's a general statement not directed at any one member.  If you are an NRA member and if you don't like what's happening with all the shootings (a mass murder takes place in America everyday) you, as a member,  have more influence on the NRA and how it reacts to those horrible events than those of us who are not.  I hope you are pushing the NRA to be proactive in supporting background checks and making the kinds of guns that are specifically made to kill many people and illegal firearm modifications that make that more possible less available to the public. 

As it stands, I have to agree, in general, to Cash's statement.

Cash's statement is pretty idiotic.

Del and Allie, thanks for the compliment.  Seventeen years of teaching 8th grade and having five kids gives you patience.  lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't have any issue with people collecting rifles of the simple or classic variety. If someone wants 10 shotguns and 10 hunting rifles so be it. Avid hunters (such as my father used to be) find various rifles suitable for various animals.

Hunting is getting bashed as well, but as much as I seem to be getting ignored... I'll risk repeating this: shooting your meat in the forest is much more humane than buying products from large stores that ultimately encourage factory farming where animals suffer immensely. Not only that... wild meat is much healthier for the consumer as well.

It's the type of weapon (assault rifles and handguns) and large capacity magazines that need restrictions.

And Scruffy... you were taking shots there, but I have found you to be a very moderate voice in this issue despite a clear passion or enjoyment level for guns. You are also very patient with people that have taken shots at you.

I'm numb from this event. Toss in Tom Petty and what a shitty shitty weekend.

Okay, but FTR, that is a blanket statement that doesn't apply to all meat, and also fails to acknowledge the relationship between humans and their impact on animal habitats.

(I concur about McGruff)

I might need some clarification to understand what you are getting at.

I would agree that there are gross examples of hunting, but I don't think I said hunting is without flaws. In this forum I started a thread on animal abuse (I can't remember exactly what it was) and cursed hunters shooting a grizzly bear in a grotesque manner. There's another thread on factory farms and those animals and their plight is far worse than that of the bear's. Sickening really.

I'm merely trying to state that many humans eat meat. I have a little more respect for the subsistence hunter that kills his own meat than I do for myself- buying it from the butcher. Top give myself some credit... we buy from a local butcher that sells locally grown meat. It costs more, but it makes me feel a little better.

I eat meat too. I also already stated multiple times that necessity is an exception, so subsistence hunters are not what I'm talking about (unless they are unscrupulous about it, and some are). This is really just me picking my battles and showing a specific interest in the subject of sport hunting (eating it doesn't make it much better for me, for many reasons that I've already mentioned). I do not agree with going into the wild and killing wild animals for fun (even when there is an attempt to justify the fun by eating the dead animal afterwards). I think that the wild that we've got left should be the animals' domain, not ours. We are the interlopers out there IMO, because of the way we have encroached upon, destroyed, manipulated, and taken for granted the nature in which these animals reside. If we'd always shown respect for the land and the animals and cared about natural balances, I wouldn't saying this. It's just not fucking fair, to put it in simple terms. I also simply think it's demented to get pleasure out of killing, which is what's involved for 95% of hunters.

I agree that there are horrible abuses happening in factory farms as well - of course that dismays me greatly. I think farmed animals should be treated like gold. But that hasn't been the topic at hand (I mean, this conversation started, obviously, because gun lovers tie their defense of lax gun regulations to their desire to hunt for sport). That is great that you buy locally grown meat (I'm assuming you're implying that that means the animals are treated humanely). I too do my best to eat my protein in a responsible way.

Outside of the statistic you present (95% of hunters get pleasure from killing the animals)... I won't argue with what you're saying here. I especially appreciate your sentiments regarding trophy hunters- it's sadistic.

We should probably get off the topic, but to give you some insight to my way of thinking (in the event you haven't already come to some conclusions)... I watched a clip on a bull fighter getting gored. He eventually died as a result of his injuries. I didn't care. The bull was being mutilated and jeered as a spectacle and in my mind... it was justice. I was glad the bull got the upper hand. I don't care if it's a 'cultural thing'. You're torturing a f**king animal for entertainment. Evolve already, man.

PJ_Soul

I am with you man! I don't know if It's twisted or not, but not only do i not care, but I feel quite happy when a bullfighter gets gored and I cheer for the bull. Serves the fucker right. Bull fighting is absolutely grotesque! I feel pretty glad when a douche bag in tbe running of the bulls gets gored too, actually.
I can't even attend rodeos, and would certainly not go to an aquarium (with mammals in it) or a zoo. Using animals for spectacle is immoral IMO.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I don't have any issue with people collecting rifles of the simple or classic variety. If someone wants 10 shotguns and 10 hunting rifles so be it. Avid hunters (such as my father used to be) find various rifles suitable for various animals.

Hunting is getting bashed as well, but as much as I seem to be getting ignored... I'll risk repeating this: shooting your meat in the forest is much more humane than buying products from large stores that ultimately encourage factory farming where animals suffer immensely. Not only that... wild meat is much healthier for the consumer as well.

It's the type of weapon (assault rifles and handguns) and large capacity magazines that need restrictions.

And Scruffy... you were taking shots there, but I have found you to be a very moderate voice in this issue despite a clear passion or enjoyment level for guns. You are also very patient with people that have taken shots at you.

I'm numb from this event. Toss in Tom Petty and what a shitty shitty weekend.

Okay, but FTR, that is a blanket statement that doesn't apply to all meat, and also fails to acknowledge the relationship between humans and their impact on animal habitats.

(I concur about McGruff)

I might need some clarification to understand what you are getting at.

I would agree that there are gross examples of hunting, but I don't think I said hunting is without flaws. In this forum I started a thread on animal abuse (I can't remember exactly what it was) and cursed hunters shooting a grizzly bear in a grotesque manner. There's another thread on factory farms and those animals and their plight is far worse than that of the bear's. Sickening really.

I'm merely trying to state that many humans eat meat. I have a little more respect for the subsistence hunter that kills his own meat than I do for myself- buying it from the butcher. Top give myself some credit... we buy from a local butcher that sells locally grown meat. It costs more, but it makes me feel a little better.

I eat meat too. I also already stated multiple times that necessity is an exception, so subsistence hunters are not what I'm talking about (unless they are unscrupulous about it, and some are). This is really just me picking my battles and showing a specific interest in the subject of sport hunting (eating it doesn't make it much better for me, for many reasons that I've already mentioned). I do not agree with going into the wild and killing wild animals for fun (even when there is an attempt to justify the fun by eating the dead animal afterwards). I think that the wild that we've got left should be the animals' domain, not ours. We are the interlopers out there IMO, because of the way we have encroached upon, destroyed, manipulated, and taken for granted the nature in which these animals reside. If we'd always shown respect for the land and the animals and cared about natural balances, I wouldn't saying this. It's just not fucking fair, to put it in simple terms. I also simply think it's demented to get pleasure out of killing, which is what's involved for 95% of hunters.

I agree that there are horrible abuses happening in factory farms as well - of course that dismays me greatly. I think farmed animals should be treated like gold. But that hasn't been the topic at hand (I mean, this conversation started, obviously, because gun lovers tie their defense of lax gun regulations to their desire to hunt for sport). That is great that you buy locally grown meat (I'm assuming you're implying that that means the animals are treated humanely). I too do my best to eat my protein in a responsible way.

Outside of the statistic you present (95% of hunters get pleasure from killing the animals)... I won't argue with what you're saying here. I especially appreciate your sentiments regarding trophy hunters- it's sadistic.

We should probably get off the topic, but to give you some insight to my way of thinking (in the event you haven't already come to some conclusions)... I watched a clip on a bull fighter getting gored. He eventually died as a result of his injuries. I didn't care. The bull was being mutilated and jeered as a spectacle and in my mind... it was justice. I was glad the bull got the upper hand. I don't care if it's a 'cultural thing'. You're torturing a f**king animal for entertainment. Evolve already, man.

I lived in Spain way back in the day and decided to go to a bull fight.  I think I walked out after a few minutes.  That is one sport that should be illegal.  
On the flip side I did run with the bulls when I was in Pamplona... as I was sprinting for my life next to them I never realized how big those fuckers were!  Those bull fighters can't be playing with a full deck of cards.

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid

brianlux said:

Ferdinand.

Very peaceful until stung by a bee.

RYME

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

Where is your evidence that the NRA "Funds domestic terrorism?"
Come on..

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Ferdinand.

Very peaceful until stung by a bee.

I love that story.  I can relate.  Sting me, and I will kick and snort.  Otherwise, you will find me sniffing the flowers.

brianlux

RYME said:

mcgruff10 said:

Kat said:

Rosanne Cash says that the “N.R.A. funds domestic terrorism.”
I hope more activists join her.

So I fund domestic terrorism since I am a NRA member?  That s a pretty assinine statement by rosanne cash. 

Where is your evidence that the NRA "Funds domestic terrorism?"
Come on..

McG was refuting the comment.  And what Cash said is more analogy to the (only slightly) indirect affects the NRA has on domestic terrorism.  Look at it this way-- does the NRA support gun controls, limiting how many guns a person can have, background checks, etc.?  It's a pretty simple statement to understand, really.