Which part? The running into the school without a gun during an active shooter incident or that the NRA is on "our" side and we shouldn't worry about them. Depending, the Team Trump Treason Trumpeters.
That is just normal political bullshit about the NRA. Yet a guy who has five deferments for bone spurs, and clearly hasn't run in 30 years, is going to run into a school to stop an active shooter? What an asshole.
Can we get some local PD or Sheriff's Dept. to invite him to their next simulated shooter exercise so we can watch him shart all over when those paint rounds hit his fat ass.
It's not nice to wish cardiac arrest upon a fellow American.
Haha! He still needs to show his birth certificate before I believe he was actually born.
It's a hopeless situation...
0
Options
unsung
I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
So how will it get paid? See in a perfect world that liability is funded. But in Illinois, which has nearly $125B in total liabilities long term it isn't.
So unless you have money trees, that can somehow raise capital without reducing the value of the existing, it won't get paid.
So that’s the teachers fault? That the state failed to fund their pension or raided it?
Yes, partially.
The State has tried pension reform numerous times, even going so far as to declare all current employees' pensions safe, where they tried to change just for future hires.
The union shoots it down every time. They'd rather go down with the ship.
And yeah, many get a $100k annual pension.
There was a widespread problem where one would get into a Superintendent position, retire, then go take the same job in another district and double book it. I think they bave managed to stop that now.
Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle said he will not support a bill that would give Delta a massive tax break, unless the airline reverses its decision to sever a partnership with the National Rifle Association.
Delta ended the NRA partnership on Saturday due to pressure from gun control advocates following the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.
The proposed bill would exempt jet fuel purchases from Georgia sales tax and could save Delta around $40 million.
Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle said he will not support a bill that would give Delta a massive tax break, unless the airline reverses its decision to sever a partnership with the National Rifle Association.
Delta ended the NRA partnership on Saturday due to pressure from gun control advocates following the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.
The proposed bill would exempt jet fuel purchases from Georgia sales tax and could save Delta around $40 million.
So how will it get paid? See in a perfect world that liability is funded. But in Illinois, which has nearly $125B in total liabilities long term it isn't.
So unless you have money trees, that can somehow raise capital without reducing the value of the existing, it won't get paid.
So that’s the teachers fault? That the state failed to fund their pension or raided it?
Yes, partially.
The State has tried pension reform numerous times, even going so far as to declare all current employees' pensions safe, where they tried to change just for future hires.
The union shoots it down every time. They'd rather go down with the ship.
And yeah, many get a $100k annual pension.
There was a widespread problem where one would get into a Superintendent position, retire, then go take the same job in another district and double book it. I think they bave managed to stop that now.
Pesky teachers, such jerks asking that the state live up to the bargain they made when they demand that teachers sign contracts outlining every little thing they can and cannot do. Shift to 401k style plans, keep reducing the amount of employer contributions, then tell employees they are on their own to save for retirement after YEARS of service. 401k's can be cut at any time which means that people are on their own for retirement which is complete BS when companies and governments made promises at hiring that people could expect a decent retirement. It's one thing to say that up front but to change it when someone is mid-career is mind-blowing. Callous and completely lacking in any empathy at all. Corporations that pull this stunt (I'm looking at you UPS) are the worst because they are still making huge profits which upper management still get, not to mention shareholders but employees? Eh, f them, right. I guess breaking promises and not living up to your word is a conservative practice now? And I'd like to see what TEACHERS are making 100k in a pension, NOT superintendents, but teachers. Double dipping is one thing, and should be stopped, but I find it doubtful that any teacher retires with a 100k pension. Can you provide documentation of that claim?
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
As of right now the long term liability still exists and has not been altered.
Well, I can't speak for any state except mine (KY) and the offers they have made are insulting. If you dump new hires out of the pool where will additional money come from? Governor Bevin wants to keep giving tax incentives to business which means we take in less revenue that we give in tax breaks to bullshit enterprises like the ark park. He won't consider new revenue sources like casino gambling or marijuana so that is a no go. And now our state legislature voted to raid our healthcare fund AGAIN and they want to create a budget on my back and I'm the asshole? Don't want to talk about it here, fine, I don't want to hijack this thread because it is important but quit scapegoating teachers for every damn thing that is wrong in this county.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
Many of these people are not teachers, they're administrators like superintendents. Many of the cities listed are very large and/or well-to-do. Doesn't surprise me that they would have 6 figure pensions, it's well earned.
Reads like another article from some podunk who doesn't understand how things work in the big scary city.
WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18 IT 07/05/2020AT 07/07/2020
I've just got to say that it's reading these pages that has made me appreciate some of the laws we have in Australia that I have previously just taken for granted. Now I'm not just talking about our gun laws, which I love, but to read this conversation about teachers pensions etc, makes me shake my head. So many different rules across one country and for a country of the free, there is certainly not much done by the government to look after it's citizens.
We have compulsory superannuation, which means an employer must contribute and additional % (currently 9.5%) of it's employees wage into a fund for their retirement, which is guaranteed by the government and also tracked to ensure employers are paying this, with HEAVY penalties applied if not done. I'm sure there are cases in Australia where this has been problematic, but these would be a very small percetnage, as for the majority , this works.
We do have our own issues (and plenty of them), but at least I know that I can go to a doctor and be treated for free (payed for by our taxes) and our laws are pretty much standard for the big issues, across the whole country.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me
*BEC, Brisbane, March 1995
*BEC, Brisbane, March 1998
*BEC, Brisbane, November 2006
*QSAC, Brisbane November 2009
*EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane March 10 and 12 2011
*Big Day Out, Gold Coast, 19 Jan 2014
*EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane, 22,23 & 25 Feb 2014
I've just got to say that it's reading these pages that has made me appreciate some of the laws we have in Australia that I have previously just taken for granted. Now I'm not just talking about our gun laws, which I love, but to read this conversation about teachers pensions etc, makes me shake my head. So many different rules across one country and for a country of the free, there is certainly not much done by the government to look after it's citizens.
We have compulsory superannuation, which means an employer must contribute and additional % (currently 9.5%) of it's employees wage into a fund for their retirement, which is guaranteed by the government and also tracked to ensure employers are paying this, with HEAVY penalties applied if not done. I'm sure there are cases in Australia where this has been problematic, but these would be a very small percetnage, as for the majority , this works.
We do have our own issues (and plenty of them), but at least I know that I can go to a doctor and be treated for free (payed for by our taxes) and our laws are pretty much standard for the big issues, across the whole country.
Our notion of freedom is ridiculous. Some of the people here must seem literally insane to you lol I'm born and raised in this system and the libertarians seem insane to me, so I can't imagine what it's like for the rest of the civilized world.
I've just got to say that it's reading these pages that has made me appreciate some of the laws we have in Australia that I have previously just taken for granted. Now I'm not just talking about our gun laws, which I love, but to read this conversation about teachers pensions etc, makes me shake my head. So many different rules across one country and for a country of the free, there is certainly not much done by the government to look after it's citizens.
We have compulsory superannuation, which means an employer must contribute and additional % (currently 9.5%) of it's employees wage into a fund for their retirement, which is guaranteed by the government and also tracked to ensure employers are paying this, with HEAVY penalties applied if not done. I'm sure there are cases in Australia where this has been problematic, but these would be a very small percetnage, as for the majority , this works.
We do have our own issues (and plenty of them), but at least I know that I can go to a doctor and be treated for free (payed for by our taxes) and our laws are pretty much standard for the big issues, across the whole country.
Employers and employees each fund 6.2% of the first $127,000 of wages to go to social security in the US. Our government though decides to loan that money to itself and spend it.
I've just got to say that it's reading these pages that has made me appreciate some of the laws we have in Australia that I have previously just taken for granted. Now I'm not just talking about our gun laws, which I love, but to read this conversation about teachers pensions etc, makes me shake my head. So many different rules across one country and for a country of the free, there is certainly not much done by the government to look after it's citizens.
We have compulsory superannuation, which means an employer must contribute and additional % (currently 9.5%) of it's employees wage into a fund for their retirement, which is guaranteed by the government and also tracked to ensure employers are paying this, with HEAVY penalties applied if not done. I'm sure there are cases in Australia where this has been problematic, but these would be a very small percetnage, as for the majority , this works.
We do have our own issues (and plenty of them), but at least I know that I can go to a doctor and be treated for free (payed for by our taxes) and our laws are pretty much standard for the big issues, across the whole country.
It makes you wonder why anyone would migrate here ! We don’t protect our students we despise our teachers we voted in a total narcissist for president we want all immigrants out of the country we worship guns NRA dictates policy You tell me what’s not to like ...
That said - any parent of a kid in that school would. Well, that's a generalization...maybe not any/every parent....but the vast majority. I can't get over this one. Or sandy hook really, but this one is even worse. People using all these other excuses to avoid looking at 1 of the root causes....easy access to firearms with high capacity magazines. I'm all for solving the security at schools, even having an armed guard (they had 1 and he failed them). I'm all for solving the mental health issue (more funding for school programs, more funding for care). I'm all for solving the law enforcement breakdown (funding for systems to better handle calls about threats, etc). But we must also solve the gun portion of the issue....more robust background checks, longer waiting period, reduction in capacity, discussing the elimination of access to some guns, tighter restrictions on training/storage/etc...lot to discuss. Lots of opportunities to DO SOMETHING in lot of different areas that would make a difference. Yet it seems like a lot of people use 1 of the problems to justify not looking at other problems. I don't get that. Let's get them all and let's start now. Need QUICK action on what we can do and long term plans on the others. Nobody wants this to happen again, but we are all going to have to give up something to make it better (whether it be tax dollars or access to some items we currently have access to). We simply cannot afford to draw hard lines.
That said - any parent of a kid in that school would. Well, that's a generalization...maybe not any/every parent....but the vast majority. I can't get over this one. Or sandy hook really, but this one is even worse. People using all these other excuses to avoid looking at 1 of the root causes....easy access to firearms with high capacity magazines. I'm all for solving the security at schools, even having an armed guard (they had 1 and he failed them). I'm all for solving the mental health issue (more funding for school programs, more funding for care). I'm all for solving the law enforcement breakdown (funding for systems to better handle calls about threats, etc). But we must also solve the gun portion of the issue....more robust background checks, longer waiting period, reduction in capacity, discussing the elimination of access to some guns, tighter restrictions on training/storage/etc...lot to discuss. Lots of opportunities to DO SOMETHING in lot of different areas that would make a difference. Yet it seems like a lot of people use 1 of the problems to justify not looking at other problems. I don't get that. Let's get them all and let's start now. Need QUICK action on what we can do and long term plans on the others. Nobody wants this to happen again, but we are all going to have to give up something to make it better (whether it be tax dollars or access to some items we currently have access to). We simply cannot afford to draw hard lines.
But did the guard really fail? I don't think we have the whole story there. The guard's initial statement was that he thought the gunfire was coming from outside. Was he around a group of kids? Maybe his first instinct was to protect who was behind him.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The officer only did what his profession and society have deemed the most important priority a police officer has, which is to get home safe at the end of the day.
The officer only did what his profession and society have deemed the most important priority a police officer has, which is to get home safe at the end of the day.
RG...
You typically lament that cops/officers need to demonstrate non-violent tactical responses. I though this 'patience' would have been supported by you.
That said - any parent of a kid in that school would. Well, that's a generalization...maybe not any/every parent....but the vast majority. I can't get over this one. Or sandy hook really, but this one is even worse. People using all these other excuses to avoid looking at 1 of the root causes....easy access to firearms with high capacity magazines. I'm all for solving the security at schools, even having an armed guard (they had 1 and he failed them). I'm all for solving the mental health issue (more funding for school programs, more funding for care). I'm all for solving the law enforcement breakdown (funding for systems to better handle calls about threats, etc). But we must also solve the gun portion of the issue....more robust background checks, longer waiting period, reduction in capacity, discussing the elimination of access to some guns, tighter restrictions on training/storage/etc...lot to discuss. Lots of opportunities to DO SOMETHING in lot of different areas that would make a difference. Yet it seems like a lot of people use 1 of the problems to justify not looking at other problems. I don't get that. Let's get them all and let's start now. Need QUICK action on what we can do and long term plans on the others. Nobody wants this to happen again, but we are all going to have to give up something to make it better (whether it be tax dollars or access to some items we currently have access to). We simply cannot afford to draw hard lines.
But did the guard really fail? I don't think we have the whole story there. The guard's initial statement was that he thought the gunfire was coming from outside. Was he around a group of kids? Maybe his first instinct was to protect who was behind him.
Fair question, from what I've heard, read on it, I say he failed. But I may not have all the info.
I still shake my head in disbelief over Donald stating he would have charged in there and saved the day. He's said some really stupid stuff- sometimes 3 or 4 times a day (if not more)... but that spew was his stoopidest spew of all his spew.
The officer only did what his profession and society have deemed the most important priority a police officer has, which is to get home safe at the end of the day.
RG...
You typically lament that cops/officers need to demonstrate non-violent tactical responses. I though this 'patience' would have been supported by you.
That is stretching my position a bit. I do lament escalation of violence by police vehemently, but I don't expect patience in a hailstorm of bullets. I don't feel that strongly about this cops behavior, but I do think it's quite sad that it happened. I'd rather focus on our society, not the individual. He may have done what he did for any number of reasons, from pure cowardice up to a tactical decision to protect the kids nearest him in the lack of intel on what the fuck was actually happening.
Our society has created and allowed policing to hold a unique position. Soldiers, cops, and firemen are the big 3 careers (should all be callings, but that's a different discussion) that require a person to deliberately enter into deadly situations, and the expectations are all fucked up. Firemen are expected to die trying to save lives and they get the least respect and no support. Soldiers are expected to die trying to accomplish their mission and protect their brothers and they get respect but not much support. Cops are expected to protect themselves at all costs to the citizenry they "work for" and receive respect and support that absolutely dwarfs the others.
The officer only did what his profession and society have deemed the most important priority a police officer has, which is to get home safe at the end of the day.
RG...
You typically lament that cops/officers need to demonstrate non-violent tactical responses. I though this 'patience' would have been supported by you.
That is stretching my position a bit. I do lament escalation of violence by police vehemently, but I don't expect patience in a hailstorm of bullets. I don't feel that strongly about this cops behavior, but I do think it's quite sad that it happened. I'd rather focus on our society, not the individual. He may have done what he did for any number of reasons, from pure cowardice up to a tactical decision to protect the kids nearest him in the lack of intel on what the fuck was actually happening.
Our society has created and allowed policing to hold a unique position. Soldiers, cops, and firemen are the big 3 careers (should all be callings, but that's a different discussion) that require a person to deliberately enter into deadly situations, and the expectations are all fucked up. Firemen are expected to die trying to save lives and they get the least respect and no support. Soldiers are expected to die trying to accomplish their mission and protect their brothers and they get respect but not much support. Cops are expected to protect themselves at all costs to the citizenry they "work for" and receive respect and support that absolutely dwarfs the others.
So do we build upon the other two professions to support them... or do we take away from the police profession to drag it down to their levels?
I still shake my head in disbelief over Donald stating he would have charged in there and saved the day. He's said some really stupid stuff- sometimes 3 or 4 times a day (if not more)... but that spew was his stoopidest spew of all his spew.
The officer only did what his profession and society have deemed the most important priority a police officer has, which is to get home safe at the end of the day.
RG...
You typically lament that cops/officers need to demonstrate non-violent tactical responses. I though this 'patience' would have been supported by you.
That is stretching my position a bit. I do lament escalation of violence by police vehemently, but I don't expect patience in a hailstorm of bullets. I don't feel that strongly about this cops behavior, but I do think it's quite sad that it happened. I'd rather focus on our society, not the individual. He may have done what he did for any number of reasons, from pure cowardice up to a tactical decision to protect the kids nearest him in the lack of intel on what the fuck was actually happening.
Our society has created and allowed policing to hold a unique position. Soldiers, cops, and firemen are the big 3 careers (should all be callings, but that's a different discussion) that require a person to deliberately enter into deadly situations, and the expectations are all fucked up. Firemen are expected to die trying to save lives and they get the least respect and no support. Soldiers are expected to die trying to accomplish their mission and protect their brothers and they get respect but not much support. Cops are expected to protect themselves at all costs to the citizenry they "work for" and receive respect and support that absolutely dwarfs the others.
So do we build upon the other two professions to support them... or do we take away from the police profession to drag it down to their levels?
We build up the support and respect (I'm including pay as support) of all three and we build up the expectations on police gradually as we elevate the profession.
Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle said he will not support a bill that would give Delta a massive tax break, unless the airline reverses its decision to sever a partnership with the National Rifle Association.
Delta ended the NRA partnership on Saturday due to pressure from gun control advocates following the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.
The proposed bill would exempt jet fuel purchases from Georgia sales tax and could save Delta around $40 million.
Delta should refuse to fly to and from Georgia, pull their jobs, move their headquarters.
This is unbelievable. Hypocrites. They want a damn cake baker to be able to not serve a gay couple but they want the government to step in and threaten a company with their votes for not supporting another organization????
Comments
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The State has tried pension reform numerous times, even going so far as to declare all current employees' pensions safe, where they tried to change just for future hires.
The union shoots it down every time. They'd rather go down with the ship.
And yeah, many get a $100k annual pension.
There was a widespread problem where one would get into a Superintendent position, retire, then go take the same job in another district and double book it. I think they bave managed to stop that now.
- Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle said he will not support a bill that would give Delta a massive tax break, unless the airline reverses its decision to sever a partnership with the National Rifle Association.
- Delta ended the NRA partnership on Saturday due to pressure from gun control advocates following the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.
- The proposed bill would exempt jet fuel purchases from Georgia sales tax and could save Delta around $40 million.
http://www.businessinsider.com/delta-nra-georgia-casey-cagle-threatens-retaliation-2018-2Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
But hey, the whole reply made for good drama, even though it wasn't part of the discussion.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2016/04/22/mapping-the-100000-illinois-teacher-pensions-costing-taxpayers-nearly-1-0-billion/#63096505237e
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Reads like another article from some podunk who doesn't understand how things work in the big scary city.
We have compulsory superannuation, which means an employer must contribute and additional % (currently 9.5%) of it's employees wage into a fund for their retirement, which is guaranteed by the government and also tracked to ensure employers are paying this, with HEAVY penalties applied if not done. I'm sure there are cases in Australia where this has been problematic, but these would be a very small percetnage, as for the majority , this works.
We do have our own issues (and plenty of them), but at least I know that I can go to a doctor and be treated for free (payed for by our taxes) and our laws are pretty much standard for the big issues, across the whole country.
*BEC, Brisbane, March 1995
*BEC, Brisbane, March 1998
*BEC, Brisbane, November 2006
*QSAC, Brisbane November 2009
*EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane March 10 and 12 2011
*Big Day Out, Gold Coast, 19 Jan 2014
*EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane, 22,23 & 25 Feb 2014
Some of the people here must seem literally insane to you lol
I'm born and raised in this system and the libertarians seem insane to me, so I can't imagine what it's like for the rest of the civilized world.
We don’t protect our students
we despise our teachers
we voted in a total narcissist for president
we want all immigrants out of the country
we worship guns
NRA dictates policy
You tell me what’s not to like ...
That said - any parent of a kid in that school would. Well, that's a generalization...maybe not any/every parent....but the vast majority. I can't get over this one. Or sandy hook really, but this one is even worse. People using all these other excuses to avoid looking at 1 of the root causes....easy access to firearms with high capacity magazines. I'm all for solving the security at schools, even having an armed guard (they had 1 and he failed them). I'm all for solving the mental health issue (more funding for school programs, more funding for care). I'm all for solving the law enforcement breakdown (funding for systems to better handle calls about threats, etc). But we must also solve the gun portion of the issue....more robust background checks, longer waiting period, reduction in capacity, discussing the elimination of access to some guns, tighter restrictions on training/storage/etc...lot to discuss. Lots of opportunities to DO SOMETHING in lot of different areas that would make a difference. Yet it seems like a lot of people use 1 of the problems to justify not looking at other problems. I don't get that. Let's get them all and let's start now. Need QUICK action on what we can do and long term plans on the others. Nobody wants this to happen again, but we are all going to have to give up something to make it better (whether it be tax dollars or access to some items we currently have access to). We simply cannot afford to draw hard lines.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
RG...
You typically lament that cops/officers need to demonstrate non-violent tactical responses. I though this 'patience' would have been supported by you.
What a loser.
I'd rather focus on our society, not the individual. He may have done what he did for any number of reasons, from pure cowardice up to a tactical decision to protect the kids nearest him in the lack of intel on what the fuck was actually happening.
Our society has created and allowed policing to hold a unique position. Soldiers, cops, and firemen are the big 3 careers (should all be callings, but that's a different discussion) that require a person to deliberately enter into deadly situations, and the expectations are all fucked up.
Firemen are expected to die trying to save lives and they get the least respect and no support.
Soldiers are expected to die trying to accomplish their mission and protect their brothers and they get respect but not much support.
Cops are expected to protect themselves at all costs to the citizenry they "work for" and receive respect and support that absolutely dwarfs the others.
So do we build upon the other two professions to support them... or do we take away from the police profession to drag it down to their levels?