America's Gun Violence

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    edited August 2015

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    always cite more than one source when proving something:
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

    Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
    My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    always cite more than one source when proving something:
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/
    oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    always cite more than one source when proving something:
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/
    oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.
    I really wish there was an easier way to post the smileys. I knew what you were saying. I just couldn't put my bowed up chest and my worst southern accent in the post.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482

    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    always cite more than one source when proving something:
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/
    oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.
    I really wish there was an easier way to post the smileys. I knew what you were saying. I just couldn't put my bowed up chest and my worst southern accent in the post.
    lol. got ya bud!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482

    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

    Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
    My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.
    well people that shoot like gambsy is referring too aren't exactly my cup of tea. no need to shoot shit up just to shoot shit up if you get my drift. the small minority of people will always ruin it for the masses in any system.
    i mean let's say there are 100 million americans that own gun....there's what...99,950,000 responsible gun owners? if not more?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

    Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
    My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.
    well people that shoot like gambsy is referring too aren't exactly my cup of tea. no need to shoot shit up just to shoot shit up if you get my drift. the small minority of people will always ruin it for the masses in any system.
    i mean let's say there are 100 million americans that own gun....there's what...99,950,000 responsible gun owners? if not more?
    I'd say that number is not accurate. But, how do you measure responsible?
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    edited August 2015

    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    I was referring to the people that like to shoot guns the way gambsy was talking about. There's a huge difference between those people and simple gun owners.

    Example: my brother owns 3 guns. He shoots each of them twice a year. He will fire each gun twice.
    My uncle owns around 13 guns. He shoots them every opportunity he gets. At anything. Trees, grass, dirt, bails of hay or anything you can put in front of him. Basically wasting ammo. My uncle is the type of person gambsy was referring to.
    well people that shoot like gambsy is referring too aren't exactly my cup of tea. no need to shoot shit up just to shoot shit up if you get my drift. the small minority of people will always ruin it for the masses in any system.
    i mean let's say there are 100 million americans that own gun....there's what...99,950,000 responsible gun owners? if not more?
    I'd say that number is not accurate. But, how do you measure responsible?
    you remind me of my ex wife....you argue every single detail even in the face of defeat. let's change tactics. how many out of 100 million are not responsible in your eyes? ok let's back track....99,900,000.... so 99.9% are responsible? ok let's go even further....99,800,000 are responsible gun owners......so 99.8 % are responsible?
    responsible defined? no crimes committed lol.
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    First, tens of millions? Let's be realistic about that number. Second, just because alot of people do it something, doesn't mean it isn't immature.

    What about people that live south of the mason Dixon line?

    one in three americans own guns. you do the math. there are about 318 million people living in the us.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
    always cite more than one source when proving something:
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/how-many-americans-own-guns-we-need-to-grab/
    oh sorry missed one....south of mason dixon line was referring to the post I quoted. very stereotypical of people living in the south. definitely doesn't resonate with the north east.
    I wasn't stereotyping the south, I was referencing my experience in east central Ohio, where that type of person is truly a dime a dozen.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    I am not arguing every little detail. I'm arguing your entire premise that most gun owners are responsible. I don't know how many are responsible gun owners.

    What am I being defeated in? This argument? How can I lose a subjective argument? I'm not throwing around numbers as fact.
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    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    edited August 2015

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Fine so 1,000,000 irresponsible Gun owners and 99% are responsible? (And one million is way high) The vast vast vast majority of gun owners are beyond responsible with kids in the house. And the vast majority of all gun owners are responsible. So according to you, what percentage of gun owners are irresponsible? So an unlocked gun is no good even if the ammo is secured? I think a loaded gun with no security is no good But in a safe is a ok.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    I don't know. I've already said that. There is no way measure who is and who is not responsible. And having an unlocked gun in the house with children is one way someone could be irresponsible. Not the only way.
  • I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,480
    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...
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  • RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,245

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...
    Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.
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    RiotZact said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...
    Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.
    That is an example of an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482

    RiotZact said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...
    Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.
    That is an example of an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion.
    Totally agree. That s nuts
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  • RiotZactRiotZact Posts: 6,245
    mcgruff10 said:

    RiotZact said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...
    Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.
    That is an example of an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion.
    Totally agree. That s nuts
    Yep, most of the people I know are more responsible than that but still not as much as you.
  • mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • RiotZact said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    More folks should be like you it sounds to me like you are super responsible with your weapons ...
    Yep, I live in western PA where guns are huge. Almost every family I know, including my own, has guns and not a single one of them is this careful with them. My stepdad leaves his handgun on the kitchen table loaded many times, with my 11 and 12 year old sisters running around, and he's been doing it since they were much younger.
    Thanks for being open with this. Good for you for recognizing the problem versus accepting and defending it.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.
    2nd time we agreed in twenty four hours!!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.
    2nd time we agreed in twenty four hours!!!
    I was a little beer giddy last night. Today my guard is back up. I'm cautious right now thinking it might have just been a blip for us two adversaries. Time will tell... but I'm treading very carefully.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482

    mcgruff10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    i agree with you thirty bills! in the event that a home invasion does occur i do have the means to protect my family as highly unlikely as it is.
    I don't understand how people with kids could leave loaded weapons accessible. I think I told you, all my ammo is locked away and every one of my rifles has a trigger lock on it. Those keys are then in a secure locker. Hell my bolt action rifles don't even have the bolts in them; they are stored separate too in a locked cabinet. The only weapon that has ammo and gun next to each other is my handgun which is in a locked cabinet. I'm the only one who has the key.
    I figured as much. Good for you. Your confidence comes from your knowledge and understanding. You're not the person that has people lamenting gun ownership.
    2nd time we agreed in twenty four hours!!!
    I was a little beer giddy last night. Today my guard is back up. I'm cautious right now thinking it might have just been a blip for us two adversaries. Time will tell... but I'm treading very carefully.
    I see how it is. Ok truce is over.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482
    rgambs said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.
    I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:

    rgambs said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.
    I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!
    Non smoker. Work out every day but one. Eat oatmeal every morning except on weekends.

    Do drink. No drugs. Never drive when drinking. Never drink to 'great' excess.

    Crave Big Macs, but never give in to the cravings knowing how brutal they are (from the plant processing phase to the digestion phase).

    I'd be one of the 'anti gunners', but I'm not really. I just wish your country could implement some common sense legislation that, in 20 years, might reflect a profound change in the amount of gun violence your country features per annum.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:

    rgambs said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.
    I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!
    That's totally a deflection and irrelevant. People don't smoke, eat bad, and laze out of a misguided attempt to protect themselves.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,482

    mcgruff10 said:

    rgambs said:

    I would not define a responsible gun owner as someone who hasn't committed a crime. Someone can easily be an irresponsible gun owner and not commit a crime. ANY gun owner who leaves his gun in his house unlocked with children in the house is an irresponsible gun owner.

    Exactly. Everyone's responsible... until something happens.

    Guns are supposed to be locked in a locker and separate from your ammunition. We've had people on here say they have their guns loaded and around the house- citing a locked up gun wouldn't be any use to them if the bad guys were getting them.

    People are tossing statistics around... the likelihood of a home invasion is miniscule at best. To assume the risks attached to leaving a loaded gun lying around the house for the highly unlikely event of a home invasion is not only irresponsible... it's foolish.
    Not to mention the fact that it has been proven to INCREASE the chance of gun death for the owner of the gun.
    I hope all anti gunners are non smokers and hit the gym three to four times a week!
    Non smoker. Work out every day but one. Eat oatmeal every morning except on weekends.

    Do drink. No drugs. Never drive when drinking. Never drink to 'great' excess.

    Crave Big Macs, but never give in to the cravings knowing how brutal they are (from the plant processing phase to the digestion phase).

    I'd be one of the 'anti gunners', but I'm not really. I just wish your country could implement some common sense legislation that, in 20 years, might reflect a profound change in the amount of gun violence your country features per annum.
    Thirty bills I d call you by your first name but you never shared it with me so I ll call you joe.
    Joe, wjere are you from?!?!
    Mike
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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