America's Gun Violence

josevolution

goingtoverona said:

I think it's great when they use names. they look like whiny little kids throwing a temper tantrum. oh boohoo you don't believe what I do so you're insane and stupid. wahhhhhh. all the things that kill in my life kick ass but you're a crazy wacko because you don't do whatever it takes to save lives by getting rid of guns. wahhhhhhh. I don't want the general population to be able to defend themselves against armed criminals. I want the same thing as murderers and rapists and it's all good because I want guns off the street and you're insane in the membrane if you don't believe that too.wahhhhhhhhh. jose gets a pass though because he believes everything about guns is pure evil. even an Olympian that shoots for sport is the spawn of satan. heheheh

side note, a spade is a spade is racist. let's toss that saying in with the confederate flag and get it banned.

You got all of that out of my post man talk about stretching someone's words I've never said you or anyone can't own your precious weapons , me myself have no needs for weapons on my life but I'd like to think we as a society could at least keep weapons from demented folks unless you believe the mass shooters have all been completely sane humans ....

callen

Always comes back to comparing our society to other western societies that don't have proliferation of guns and the false sense that guns makes one safer.

And of course the irony that it's the very gun owners guns that are then used in crimes.

So talk about protecting yourselves or your rights but it's these positions that ultimately make our society worse.

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I would like it so a gun used in a crime can better be traced to the original owner and start holding thoise that can buy legally and then sell to folks who shouldn't or couldn't otherwise eget a gun.

In my state only the first purchase requires a backround check. Gun shows and other private sales aren't reported in the slightest.

all too often whats missing from the conversation is HOW the criminals are getting these weapons. That IS the goal right? Keeping guns from the criminals? How about some legislation that holds those who sell to criminals or "black market " or dark sales.

Please tell me where that is unreasonable.

as a responsible gun owed and nra member I 100% agree with you. I have zero problem with background checks every time you buy a gun and registration of weapons. I live in new jersey and we have the 3rd strongest gun laws in the united states. Most of the weapons used by criminals are bought out of state.

I remember seeing a poll that the majority of gun owners have the same opinion as you. The gun lobby opposes stronger background checks because that might result in fewer gun purchases and lower profits for the gun manufacturers that they represent.

The low info gun freaks only hear the NRA babbling about the 2nd amendment.

josevolution

Another theater shooting tonight 3 dead including the shooter ....

mickeyrat

"58 yr old lone gunman"

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It is out of control. Can't be safe anywhere. More guns, yea, that's what we need.

Gern Blansten

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

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Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Bingo. I am not a fan of angry citizens guarding these places.

Godfather.

yawnnnnnnnnnnn, now we can all rest easy now that we have it all figured out, excuse me while I polish my rocks.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Heard one of those dudes had an accidental discharge.

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mickeyrat said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Heard one of those dudes had an accidental discharge.

That's ok, he was protecting recruiters. Doesn't matter if he hit someone.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Excellent analogy.

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Heard one of those dudes had an accidental discharge.

Yes he did.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/07/23/recruiting-center-shot-fired.html

Now just imagine if that bullet had killed a child.

rgambs

Another hole in the theory of the "responsible gun owner"!

josevolution

NETFLIX is going thru the roof fuck going to movies go ahead GF make sure you bring your gun to the next movie you attend .....

Gern Blansten

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/john-russel-houser-louisiana-gunman

Tea partier lost his marbles

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Excellent analogy.

Decent analogy. However if the bully has a rock why can't I have one
to protect my family?

And please learn the definition of an assault weapon. Assault weapons have been banned since 1986 in the USA. The weapon you refer to is a semi automatic rifle, not a fully automatic weapon. Assault weapon was a term coined by anti gunners.
Our troops have legit assault weapons, civilians do not.
And what s wrong with the guy protecting a recruiting station with his rifle? It s evident that he really believes in what he s doing.

Gern Blansten

Oh yes because learning that definition is so important....you knew what I meant right?

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

Oh yes because learning that definition is so important....you knew what I meant right?

Knowing the true meaning behind words is pretty important.
I m sure you thought that weapon was fully automatic. Come to think of it, do you know the difference between semi automatic and fully automatic?
I hunt pheasants with a semi automatic twelve gauge: do I have an assault weapon?
My ww2 m1 garand is chambered in 30.06 which is a hell of a lot bigger than the .223/5.56 weapon that the guy is using to defend the recruiting station. Is my rifle considered an assault weapon?

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Oh yes because learning that definition is so important....you knew what I meant right?

Knowing the true meaning behind words is pretty important.
I m sure you thought that weapon was fully automatic. Come to think of it, do you know the difference between semi automatic and fully automatic?
I hunt pheasants with a semi automatic twelve gauge: do I have an assault weapon?
My ww2 m1 garand is chambered in 30.06 which is a hell of a lot bigger than the .223/5.56 weapon that the guy is using to defend the recruiting station. Is my rifle considered an assault weapon?

You are being facetious, you know what sort of appointments typically make a person think of it as an urban assault weapon. A short, tactical stock, an under barrel grip, a large capacity clip are the big three.
Some shotguns are assault weapons, it's all about tactical, close-quarters utility.
Bolt action and tube magazine usually disqualify... You know all that, and so do we. Is it a specific set definition? No. Is it a group of weapons designed to be more deadly to humans which might shoot back? Yes, of course.

mcgruff10

Urban assault weapon? A new term!
And how am I being sarcastic? What I said makes sense.
By the way, some shotguns are assault weapons? My 12 gauge browning auto five will do the same amount of damage as a "tactical" shotgun.

jeffbr

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Oh yes because learning that definition is so important....you knew what I meant right?

Knowing the true meaning behind words is pretty important.
I m sure you thought that weapon was fully automatic. Come to think of it, do you know the difference between semi automatic and fully automatic?
I hunt pheasants with a semi automatic twelve gauge: do I have an assault weapon?
My ww2 m1 garand is chambered in 30.06 which is a hell of a lot bigger than the .223/5.56 weapon that the guy is using to defend the recruiting station. Is my rifle considered an assault weapon?

You are being facetious, you know what sort of appointments typically make a person think of it as an urban assault weapon. A short, tactical stock, an under barrel grip, a large capacity clip are the big three.
Some shotguns are assault weapons, it's all about tactical, close-quarters utility.
Bolt action and tube magazine usually disqualify... You know all that, and so do we. Is it a specific set definition? No. Is it a group of weapons designed to be more deadly to humans which might shoot back? Yes, of course.

Right, but putting labels with connotations on things can create issues. I could say Jeb Bush is a conservative Republican, or say he is a right-wing-wacko. I could say Bernie Sanders is a progressive liberal, or I could say he's a pinko socialist. We know what is meant by the latter in each case, but the former will lead to a more fruitful discussion with a conservative or liberal respectively. Same with "Assault Weapon", and even more so with Urban Assault Weapon. Once you say that, you have set the tone of the conversation, and shouldn't be surprised with the rebuttal. I know I intentionally inject these sorts of descriptors into posts from time to time to get a reaction, and I think everyone does. But we should at least be honest about it, and acknowledge what we're doing. As you admit above, there isn't even an agreed upon definition of the term.

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Didn't that ban expire? Or was that something else?

mcgruff10

Last-12-Exit said:

Didn't that ban expire? Or was that something else?

Something else bud. No automatic weapons are being made and sold to U.S. citizens The ten year gun ban that Clinton passed expired. That s what you re thinking of.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

I saw a good analogy relating to a school playground where a bully picks up a rock and bounces it off the head of another student, then the solution was to provide rocks to all of the children so that they could defend themselves from future bullies. Reminds me of the NRA argument to arm everyone.

There was a report of one of those morons guarding a recruiting center with his assault rifle. What defense does this guy have against someone walking up to him with a concealed pistol and blowing his brains out? They just don't get it.

Excellent analogy.

Decent analogy. However if the bully has a rock why can't I have one
to protect my family?

And please learn the definition of an assault weapon. Assault weapons have been banned since 1986 in the USA. The weapon you refer to is a semi automatic rifle, not a fully automatic weapon. Assault weapon was a term coined by anti gunners.
Our troops have legit assault weapons, civilians do not.
And what s wrong with the guy protecting a recruiting station with his rifle? It s evident that he really believes in what he s doing.

RG already spoke to the characteristics of an assault rifle so I won't bother regurgitating what makes an assault rifle distinct from your standard, long barrelled rifle.

As to the analogy... how about we remove the rocks from the playground so the bully can't pick one up?

What's wrong with a guy protecting a recruiting station? If the idiot is discharging his weapon by accident... I think you know what's wrong with such a situation. A meathead has no business taking his guns into the public if he doesn't know how to freaking use them (and there are lots of people who don't know how to use them).

And don't condescend. I grew up around guns. I owned guns. I hunted. I shot things. I fished. All in the interior of British Columbia- not at the local gun range. I don't do any of those things for my own reasons, however, I'd let you know I'm thinking of taking up fishing again.

I respect people who own 'hunting' rifles for pursuing their own game. For people who spend time deep in the bush, I even support their right to a handgun.

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Oh yes because learning that definition is so important....you knew what I meant right?

Knowing the true meaning behind words is pretty important.
I m sure you thought that weapon was fully automatic. Come to think of it, do you know the difference between semi automatic and fully automatic?
I hunt pheasants with a semi automatic twelve gauge: do I have an assault weapon?
My ww2 m1 garand is chambered in 30.06 which is a hell of a lot bigger than the .223/5.56 weapon that the guy is using to defend the recruiting station. Is my rifle considered an assault weapon?

It really makes no difference...the purpose of the weapon is to kill human beings

I am very impressed by your weapons though. Please tell me more.

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Didn't that ban expire? Or was that something else?

Something else bud. No automatic weapons are being made and sold to U.S. citizens The ten year gun ban that Clinton passed expired. That s what you re thinking of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhv4hMGdQ_g

No need to make or sell when you can convert it with simple you tube instructions.

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Oh yes because learning that definition is so important....you knew what I meant right?

Knowing the true meaning behind words is pretty important.
I m sure you thought that weapon was fully automatic. Come to think of it, do you know the difference between semi automatic and fully automatic?
I hunt pheasants with a semi automatic twelve gauge: do I have an assault weapon?
My ww2 m1 garand is chambered in 30.06 which is a hell of a lot bigger than the .223/5.56 weapon that the guy is using to defend the recruiting station. Is my rifle considered an assault weapon?

It really makes no difference...the purpose of the weapon is to kill human beings

I am very impressed by your weapons though. Please tell me more.

I like to collect ww2 weapons. I have a Mosin Nagant 91/30, a mauser k98, model 1903 Springfield and two m1 garands.
I then have a bunch of hunting rifles/shotguns (30.06, 12 gauge, 20 gauge etc), a few .22's, one handgun (9mm), and one of those scary black guns (m&p 15).

That is crazy but not surprising that there s a YouTube link on how to make your rifle fully automatic.

Godfather.

josevolution said:

NETFLIX is going thru the roof fuck going to movies go ahead GF make sure you bring your gun to the next movie you attend .....

HAHAHHAHHA I just might "the only thing we have to fear is fear its self"


Godfather.

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I am of the opinion that no civilian needs to own or purchase ANY miltitary grade weapon.