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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
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    CM189191 said:

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    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Why not? You are.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    unsung said:

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    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Saying "totally dependent" would be you trying to guide the conversation to your view. I'm saying government, combined with society, puts up the fence around the field. I get to play in the field.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited December 2016
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    Key word: supplement.

    The Revolutionary War wouldn't have been won if all of the armaments were stored in one location.

    The militias, who kept arms at home, were able to respond very quickly to issue and defend the country. Had they needed to round up their horse and head to an armory in order to shoot a redcoat I doubt they would have been called "Minutemen".

    You would fail at strategy.

    Minutemen equipment, training, and tactics
    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and were required to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes and, in some cases, they wore cloth hunting frocks. Most used fowling pieces, though rifles were sometimes used where available. Neither fowling pieces nor rifles had bayonets. Some colonies purchased muskets, cartridge boxes, and bayonets from England, and maintained armories within the colony.

    (those were the well-regulated ones)
    Well-regulated did not mean make all of your restrictions and infringements and deal with it.

    Well-regulated meant to be kept in proper working order, maintained. Ready for use.

    But yeah, good luck with your desires with gun laws. Nobody cares. People won't comply.

    I'm pretty sure well-related means exact that; and currently we are very clearly not well-regulated.

    Just a small price to pay I guess
    image

    So what happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?

    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?
    Post edited by CM189191 on
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Saying "totally dependent" would be you trying to guide the conversation to your view. I'm saying government, combined with society, puts up the fence around the field. I get to play in the field.
    But you admittedly play on their field.

    Wouldn't you prefer more input?

    Do you own yourself?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Why not? You are.
    Not really. I can do almost anything I want to, they don't need to know my daily life. I have many avenues where I opt out that most don't.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited December 2016
    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    Key word: supplement.

    The Revolutionary War wouldn't have been won if all of the armaments were stored in one location.

    The militias, who kept arms at home, were able to respond very quickly to issue and defend the country. Had they needed to round up their horse and head to an armory in order to shoot a redcoat I doubt they would have been called "Minutemen".

    You would fail at strategy.

    Minutemen equipment, training, and tactics
    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and were required to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes and, in some cases, they wore cloth hunting frocks. Most used fowling pieces, though rifles were sometimes used where available. Neither fowling pieces nor rifles had bayonets. Some colonies purchased muskets, cartridge boxes, and bayonets from England, and maintained armories within the colony.

    (those were the well-regulated ones)
    Well-regulated did not mean make all of your restrictions and infringements and deal with it.

    Well-regulated meant to be kept in proper working order, maintained. Ready for use.

    But yeah, good luck with your desires with gun laws. Nobody cares. People won't comply.

    I'm pretty sure well-related means exact that; and currently we are very clearly not well-regulated.


    So what happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?

    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?
    In what context?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    Key word: supplement.

    The Revolutionary War wouldn't have been won if all of the armaments were stored in one location.

    The militias, who kept arms at home, were able to respond very quickly to issue and defend the country. Had they needed to round up their horse and head to an armory in order to shoot a redcoat I doubt they would have been called "Minutemen".

    You would fail at strategy.

    Minutemen equipment, training, and tactics
    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and were required to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes and, in some cases, they wore cloth hunting frocks. Most used fowling pieces, though rifles were sometimes used where available. Neither fowling pieces nor rifles had bayonets. Some colonies purchased muskets, cartridge boxes, and bayonets from England, and maintained armories within the colony.

    (those were the well-regulated ones)
    Well-regulated did not mean make all of your restrictions and infringements and deal with it.

    Well-regulated meant to be kept in proper working order, maintained. Ready for use.

    But yeah, good luck with your desires with gun laws. Nobody cares. People won't comply.

    I'm pretty sure well-related means exact that; and currently we are very clearly not well-regulated.


    So what happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?

    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?
    In what context?
    ....in the context of reality...???

    I'm sorry that had to be explicitly stated
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,144
    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    Key word: supplement.

    The Revolutionary War wouldn't have been won if all of the armaments were stored in one location.

    The militias, who kept arms at home, were able to respond very quickly to issue and defend the country. Had they needed to round up their horse and head to an armory in order to shoot a redcoat I doubt they would have been called "Minutemen".

    You would fail at strategy.

    Minutemen equipment, training, and tactics
    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and were required to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes and, in some cases, they wore cloth hunting frocks. Most used fowling pieces, though rifles were sometimes used where available. Neither fowling pieces nor rifles had bayonets. Some colonies purchased muskets, cartridge boxes, and bayonets from England, and maintained armories within the colony.

    (those were the well-regulated ones)
    Well-regulated did not mean make all of your restrictions and infringements and deal with it.

    Well-regulated meant to be kept in proper working order, maintained. Ready for use.

    But yeah, good luck with your desires with gun laws. Nobody cares. People won't comply.

    I'm pretty sure well-related means exact that; and currently we are very clearly not well-regulated.

    Just a small price to pay I guess
    image

    So what happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?

    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?
    I guess it doesn't count when the british invaded us during the War of 1812.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mcgruff10 said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    Key word: supplement.

    The Revolutionary War wouldn't have been won if all of the armaments were stored in one location.

    The militias, who kept arms at home, were able to respond very quickly to issue and defend the country. Had they needed to round up their horse and head to an armory in order to shoot a redcoat I doubt they would have been called "Minutemen".

    You would fail at strategy.

    Minutemen equipment, training, and tactics
    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and were required to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes and, in some cases, they wore cloth hunting frocks. Most used fowling pieces, though rifles were sometimes used where available. Neither fowling pieces nor rifles had bayonets. Some colonies purchased muskets, cartridge boxes, and bayonets from England, and maintained armories within the colony.

    (those were the well-regulated ones)
    Well-regulated did not mean make all of your restrictions and infringements and deal with it.

    Well-regulated meant to be kept in proper working order, maintained. Ready for use.

    But yeah, good luck with your desires with gun laws. Nobody cares. People won't comply.

    I'm pretty sure well-related means exact that; and currently we are very clearly not well-regulated.

    Just a small price to pay I guess
    image

    So what happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?

    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?
    I guess it doesn't count when the british invaded us during the War of 1812.
    Finally we're on the same page. I knew you'd come around.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited December 2016
    Another former NFL black man gunned down in the prime of his life.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Saying "totally dependent" would be you trying to guide the conversation to your view. I'm saying government, combined with society, puts up the fence around the field. I get to play in the field.
    But you admittedly play on their field.

    Wouldn't you prefer more input?

    Do you own yourself?
    I do own myself. A big part of this is grasping reality vs perception. Finding what my choices are. Knowing what I can change and what I can't. I know what is worthy of my emotional tension, and what's not.

    Giving input into a flawed human system to create change is different than feeling like I'm in a constant struggle of freedom vs control with the government.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited December 2016
    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    Key word: supplement.

    The Revolutionary War wouldn't have been won if all of the armaments were stored in one location.

    The militias, who kept arms at home, were able to respond very quickly to issue and defend the country. Had they needed to round up their horse and head to an armory in order to shoot a redcoat I doubt they would have been called "Minutemen".

    You would fail at strategy.

    Minutemen equipment, training, and tactics
    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and were required to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes and, in some cases, they wore cloth hunting frocks. Most used fowling pieces, though rifles were sometimes used where available. Neither fowling pieces nor rifles had bayonets. Some colonies purchased muskets, cartridge boxes, and bayonets from England, and maintained armories within the colony.

    (those were the well-regulated ones)
    Well-regulated did not mean make all of your restrictions and infringements and deal with it.

    Well-regulated meant to be kept in proper working order, maintained. Ready for use.

    But yeah, good luck with your desires with gun laws. Nobody cares. People won't comply.

    I'm pretty sure well-related means exact that; and currently we are very clearly not well-regulated.


    So what happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?

    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?
    In what context?
    ....in the context of reality...???

    I'm sorry that had to be explicitly stated
    I meant specifically which part you are referring.

    No need to be a db.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    unsung said:

    Key word: supplement.

    The Revolutionary War wouldn't have been won if all of the armaments were stored in one location.

    The militias, who kept arms at home, were able to respond very quickly to issue and defend the country. Had they needed to round up their horse and head to an armory in order to shoot a redcoat I doubt they would have been called "Minutemen".

    You would fail at strategy.

    Minutemen equipment, training, and tactics
    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and were required to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes and, in some cases, they wore cloth hunting frocks. Most used fowling pieces, though rifles were sometimes used where available. Neither fowling pieces nor rifles had bayonets. Some colonies purchased muskets, cartridge boxes, and bayonets from England, and maintained armories within the colony.

    (those were the well-regulated ones)
    Well-regulated did not mean make all of your restrictions and infringements and deal with it.

    Well-regulated meant to be kept in proper working order, maintained. Ready for use.

    But yeah, good luck with your desires with gun laws. Nobody cares. People won't comply.

    I'm pretty sure well-related means exact that; and currently we are very clearly not well-regulated.


    So what happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?

    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?
    In what context?
    ....in the context of reality...???

    I'm sorry that had to be explicitly stated
    I meant specifically which part you are referring.

    No need to be a db.
    You kind of forced my hand with that goofy context question.

    What happens when one of the amendments no longer support the Preamble?
    Don't we have a duty to revise or repeal?

    What other context do you need?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Why not? You are.
    Not really. I can do almost anything I want to, they don't need to know my daily life. I have many avenues where I opt out that most don't.
    I work in insurance. We investigate people all the time. You've not opted out of the system as much as you think you might have. If wet can find you, the FBI CIA DHS NSA ICE ATF can find you. I assure you, your daily life is out there on record to be dug up at any time whether you like it or not.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Saying "totally dependent" would be you trying to guide the conversation to your view. I'm saying government, combined with society, puts up the fence around the field. I get to play in the field.
    But you admittedly play on their field.

    Wouldn't you prefer more input?

    Do you own yourself?
    I do own myself. A big part of this is grasping reality vs perception. Finding what my choices are. Knowing what I can change and what I can't. I know what is worthy of my emotional tension, and what's not.

    Giving input into a flawed human system to create change is different than feeling like I'm in a constant struggle of freedom vs control with the government.
    No, where we differ is you want to be able to control what I do, what I own, tax my earnings, etc.

    I want you to run your own life, keep your money, and as long as you aren't harming others do whatever you want.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:

    .

    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    tbergs said:

    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Saying "totally dependent" would be you trying to guide the conversation to your view. I'm saying government, combined with society, puts up the fence around the field. I get to play in the field.
    But you admittedly play on their field.

    Wouldn't you prefer more input?

    Do you own yourself?
    I do own myself. A big part of this is grasping reality vs perception. Finding what my choices are. Knowing what I can change and what I can't. I know what is worthy of my emotional tension, and what's not.

    Giving input into a flawed human system to create change is different than feeling like I'm in a constant struggle of freedom vs control with the government.
    No, where we differ is you want to be able to control what I do, what I own, tax my earnings, etc.

    I want you to run your own life, keep your money, and as long as you aren't harming others do whatever you want.
    I understand taxes are part of a free society. When I know this and understand it, I'm free from feeling victimized from my monthly withholdings.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,458
    unsung said:

    Go Beavers said:

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    unsung said:

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    CM189191 said:

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    unsung said:

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    tbergs said:

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    unsung said:

    All gun laws are infringements. We won't comply.

    Infringement on what?
    Why bother asking a follow up to that? No answer will have any reasoning.
    It is a question that he already knows the answer to.
    I was thinking laws were part of a well regulated militia.
    Ok, I am in a militia.
    Good for you. Leave your armaments at the armory. When you're called to duty, you can go pick them up.
    That defeats the purpose. If the militia were called up all an aggressor would need to do is capture the depot ahead of time.

    Maybe you misunderstand why there are militias.



    Thank you for your service and sacrifice. What are you going to do when you're 46?
    No ageism in my State Militia.
    Even as a grandad, you'll follow those orders from your governor.
    And you'll still be crying that Hillary lost.
    Our militia gives me that freedom to cry!
    Actually no it doesn't, nor does anyone give you freedom. You have that right by birth.

    And nobody currently fights to retain or defend your freedom.
    A right to freedom by birth is philosophical jumbo jimble and word play. I'm actually not entitled to anything at birth. My freedom is based on where I happen to be and laws, rules, faith and trust in a system created by people in the place I happen to be in. What I do within that system is mostly up to me.
    So you are totally dependent on whatever government happens to be in charge? Got it.
    Saying "totally dependent" would be you trying to guide the conversation to your view. I'm saying government, combined with society, puts up the fence around the field. I get to play in the field.
    But you admittedly play on their field.

    Wouldn't you prefer more input?

    Do you own yourself?
    I do own myself. A big part of this is grasping reality vs perception. Finding what my choices are. Knowing what I can change and what I can't. I know what is worthy of my emotional tension, and what's not.

    Giving input into a flawed human system to create change is different than feeling like I'm in a constant struggle of freedom vs control with the government.
    No, where we differ is you want to be able to control what I do, what I own, tax my earnings, etc.

    I want you to run your own life, keep your money, and as long as you aren't harming others do whatever you want.
    You sound like your bordering on sovereign citizenship.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Lol, dumbasses!!!
    http://headdownnews.com/news/gangbanger-mannequin-challenge-leads-police-raid/
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Butt hurt Obama is the best gun seller of all time! And I'm not even talking about the "Fast and Furious" stuff!
    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/12/08/failed-president-really-angry-failed-gut-constitution-eight-years/
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    PJPOWER said:

    Butt hurt Obama is the best gun seller of all time! And I'm not even talking about the "Fast and Furious" stuff!
    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/12/08/failed-president-really-angry-failed-gut-constitution-eight-years/

    That article isn't about Obama being butt hurt, it's about a segment of the population that's delusional.
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