America's Gun Violence

lukin2006

brianlux said:

Yeah, just heard about the kid with the Uzi. Some really responsible adults involved in that one, huh? Sheesh! #-o

agreed

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

However, assault rifles and handguns are for killing people. This is why they should only be in the hands of military personnel and the police.

You know I was just thinking we could use a Ferguson everyday. Each day lets get a cop to shoot a random person then they can roll out all of their military equipment to show us who is boss while they serve and protect us.

Such a wonderful idea.

Stickman12

PJ_Soul said:

ejleonjr said:

goingtoverona said:

yuppers, I want my guns and I accept the deaths that come with them. just like I accept the deaths that come with cars, alcohol, tobacco, steak knives, etc.
as far as the little girl is concerned, I point my finger at the instructor. should have known the recoil power of the gun and never put it in her hands in the first place. parents are probably gun ignorant and left it to the instructor to make all the decisions.

I would have to say I agree with this statement the most. In the professional world, there are inherent risks that are risk assessed and control measures are put in place to mitigate the risks. Examples are ear plugs, safety glasses, a defined shooting position, etc..
Being a professional business and having professional instructors, it should have been known the recoil of that firearm and the force necessary to control it. It looks like the instructor used a technique to help the child by putting his left hand underneath the firearm and his right hand behind the child. I would have imagined if given a hypothetical situation, that there would have been additional safegaurds in place. Im not here to give answers as to what those safegaurds should be as I am not a professional in that field, but even I know that more could have been in place to prevent this tragedy. Condolences to this mans family, may he rest in peace, and pray that this young girl can overcome this.

So what about the fact that the little girl's life is completely messed up by this? Do we accept the mental trauma that comes to her just because of some instructor made a mistake (which all instructors could do no matter how good they are)?

I would say that we do not know what short term or long term affects will come to this little girl. We do not know anything about this girl and her family other than this story. I know people, including myself, have strong opinions when it comes to firearms but when you have a situation where there is an accident and not an intentional shooting, I focus more on reflection, sympathy, and support. Right now the focus should be on healing and support.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

However, assault rifles and handguns are for killing people. This is why they should only be in the hands of military personnel and the police.

You know I was just thinking we could use a Ferguson everyday. Each day lets get a cop to shoot a random person then they can roll out all of their military equipment to show us who is boss while they serve and protect us.

Such a wonderful idea.

You think they should stay inside when rioters and looters are tearing apart a town?

unsung

That's not my point.

If only the police were armed I believe the abuse would be far worse than it is now.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

That's not my point.

If only the police were armed I believe the abuse would be far worse than it is now.

You think the thought of someone owning an AR-15 keeps the police in check?

Gern Blansten

I believe that the police being militarized is a direct result of our moronic gun laws. Police have to approach every situation like we are all armed with AR-15s. Look at the kid in Ohio who was gunned down for playing with a bb gun in Wal-Mart. Ohio is an open carry state....I said it in my other thread, we had better get used to this crap.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

I believe that the police being militarized is a direct result of our moronic gun laws. Police have to approach every situation like we are all armed with AR-15s. Look at the kid in Ohio who was gunned down for playing with a bb gun in Wal-Mart. Ohio is an open carry state....I said it in my other thread, we had better get used to this crap.

Absolutely.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

That's not my point.

If only the police were armed I believe the abuse would be far worse than it is now.

Why do you think that? How does it help for civilians to be armed against police? You think that the police would be MORE aggressive that they've been if they could know that civilians are not armed? Or did you have something else in mind?

callen

gimmesometruth27 said:

9 year old kills instructor with an uzi at the gun range.

this is going to sound really cold and terrible, but i don't feel the least bit bad about the guy dying. he should have known better than to give that gun to a child.

i nominate him for the darwin award.

And girl likely won't have guns and breed with gun owner. Unfortunately the breeders will overcome this reduction. Idiocracy.

callen

Gern Blansten said:

I believe that the police being militarized is a direct result of our moronic gun laws. Police have to approach every situation like we are all armed with AR-15s. Look at the kid in Ohio who was gunned down for playing with a bb gun in Wal-Mart. Ohio is an open carry state....I said it in my other thread, we had better get used to this crap.

Same with robbers. They also now think victim may have a gun. Trigger happy and or just start blazing.

blueandwhite

unsung said:

That's not my point.

If only the police were armed I believe the abuse would be far worse than it is now.

In America perhaps. It seems to me that it works pretty well in many other industrialized nations. Heck, even with so many Americans being armed, how many stories are there about people defending themselves from crooked police officers? If Michael Brown was armed you know that it would likely have be used against him to justify his murder. He would either be considered a cop-killer or branded an armed thug deserving of death. I just don't see how a gun would have helped him in this situation.

gimmesometruth27

lukin2006 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

9 year old kills instructor with an uzi at the gun range.

this is going to sound really cold and terrible, but i don't feel the least bit bad about the guy dying. he should have known better than to give that gun to a child.

i nominate him for the darwin award.

yup ... What about the parents as well? What were they thinking? The entire concept of handing a child that type of weapon is pretty fucked up.

if i were the wife or child of the instructor, i think i would be calling an attorney to see about suing these parents.

lukin2006

chadwick

edit.
wrong thread

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 said:

Even Ozzy Osbourne gets it.

JimmyV

Enough.

http://youtu.be/64G5FfG2Xpg

callen

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHD76Io46U

Think Ed sums up well.

unsung

JimmyV said:

Enough.

http://youtu.be/64G5FfG2Xpg

I wonder how many of those rich celebrities employ armed bodyguards.

Nothing like good 'ol hashtag activism though.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

JimmyV said:

Enough.

http://youtu.be/64G5FfG2Xpg

I wonder how many of those rich celebrities employ armed bodyguards.

Nothing like good 'ol hashtag activism though.

Better than no activism.