Lottery or No Lottery

tempo_n_groove

rival9500 said:

Still got shut out completely with big and small markets. My opinion will not change on this. I don't care what number you have. If you get 5 shows and I get 0 shows, that is not fair.

Did you try for GA as first priority?

shortstack

jdopj said:

shortstack said:

jdopj said:

There are the core people in "the jamily" that find ways to manipulate the system, ie transferring their awesome number tix to others in the "jamily". GA

10c does not allow that any longer. i believe that only happened for a short time anyway.

do you consider yourself part of "the jamily"?

No I don't consider myself part of that group. The line police, etc.
I know they don't allow that anymore, it's because it was being taken advantage of.

line police didn't start until way after they stopped ticket transfers.

how do you know that's why they stopped? was it announced somewhere? just wondering.

jdopj

shortstack said:

jdopj said:

shortstack said:

jdopj said:

There are the core people in "the jamily" that find ways to manipulate the system, ie transferring their awesome number tix to others in the "jamily". GA

10c does not allow that any longer. i believe that only happened for a short time anyway.

do you consider yourself part of "the jamily"?

No I don't consider myself part of that group. The line police, etc.
I know they don't allow that anymore, it's because it was being taken advantage of.

line police didn't start until way after they stopped ticket transfers.

how do you know that's why they stopped? was it announced somewhere? just wondering.

10c in emails to people said that it was getting overused so now it's just no transfers. I know it was a while ago they stopped the transfers, my point is people go to great lengths to take care of their "friends" on the board, even if it is detrimental to the fan club members as a whole. Saving places in line on the 03 tour when there were blocks, the line for GA, etc.....

shortstack

jdopj said:

shortstack said:

jdopj said:

shortstack said:

jdopj said:

There are the core people in "the jamily" that find ways to manipulate the system, ie transferring their awesome number tix to others in the "jamily". GA

10c does not allow that any longer. i believe that only happened for a short time anyway.

do you consider yourself part of "the jamily"?

No I don't consider myself part of that group. The line police, etc.
I know they don't allow that anymore, it's because it was being taken advantage of.

line police didn't start until way after they stopped ticket transfers.

how do you know that's why they stopped? was it announced somewhere? just wondering.

10c in emails to people said that it was getting overused so now it's just no transfers. I know it was a while ago they stopped the transfers, my point is people go to great lengths to take care of their "friends" on the board, even if it is detrimental to the fan club members as a whole. Saving places in line on the 03 tour when there were blocks, the line for GA, etc.....

gotcha.

backseatLover12

Zod said:

rival9500 said:

Still got shut out completely with big and small markets. My opinion will not change on this. I don't care what number you have. If you get 5 shows and I get 0 shows, that is not fair.

I still disagree. Most people use their 10c membership to get tickets to the shows most easily accessible to them (ie closest to them). Those would generally be their first/second priority, and then shows they would have to travel too (smaller markets) would be their other priorities. If the 10c restricted access to 1 show, what show do you think they're going to choose? Are they going to travel 1000km to go to Charlottesville or are they going to try and get tickets closer to home? (like Brooklyn, Philly, etc..?).

I don't think restricting it to one or two pairs makes a difference with the preference system. For you to get tickets for a show way down on your preference list, there's a serious lack of 10c members wanting to attend that show. Restricting the amount of shows would have negligible impact on shows in the Northeast USA, but would probably hurt sales in other markets (by not giving 10c members an incentive to travel).

The issue is still the same. There aren't enough tickets for most of the shows in the Northeast. There were only 2 or 3 I might of considered smaller market. It's definitely not like the NorthWest where demand was so low the 10c actually sent out a second offer email trying to get fan club members to buy tickets... lol. I think that was for Spokane, Portland, and Calgary (even Vancouver never ran out of 10c tickets). Those are what I consider small market.

You don't get it. We are not talking about an MSG show in NY. There certainly are enough tickets in the NE to accommodate everyone in the NE to *1* show at the bare minimum as long as they play enough cities. Make a limit, everyone gets one show, no one is shut out. Any left over, have another sale or lottery.

Get_Right

josevolution said:

I voted yes to lottery , i'd rather just put in for the shows i wan't to see if i don't win that's ok i'm done caring about not getting tickets to a concert .....I've seen 37 shows that's plenty for a lifetime i just don't get amped up as i did in the past ....

Low testosterone? ) )

I share similar feelings.

Zod

backseatLover12 said:

You don't get it. We are not talking about an MSG show in NY. There certainly are enough tickets in the NE to accommodate everyone in the NE to *1* show at the bare minimum as long as they play enough cities. Make a limit, everyone gets one show, no one is shut out. Any left over, have another sale or lottery.

I do get it. I'm saying the opposite. There aren't enough tickets for everyone to get to see 1 show in the NE. At least not enough 10c tickets.

That's the whole problem. Demand exceeds supply of 10c tickets.

mcgruff10

the northeast would need about 12 shows in order to satisfy everyone. that includes d.c., philly, nyc, hartford and boston.

pjsteelerfan

backseatLover12 said:

Zod said:

rival9500 said:

Still got shut out completely with big and small markets. My opinion will not change on this. I don't care what number you have. If you get 5 shows and I get 0 shows, that is not fair.

I still disagree. Most people use their 10c membership to get tickets to the shows most easily accessible to them (ie closest to them). Those would generally be their first/second priority, and then shows they would have to travel too (smaller markets) would be their other priorities. If the 10c restricted access to 1 show, what show do you think they're going to choose? Are they going to travel 1000km to go to Charlottesville or are they going to try and get tickets closer to home? (like Brooklyn, Philly, etc..?).

I don't think restricting it to one or two pairs makes a difference with the preference system. For you to get tickets for a show way down on your preference list, there's a serious lack of 10c members wanting to attend that show. Restricting the amount of shows would have negligible impact on shows in the Northeast USA, but would probably hurt sales in other markets (by not giving 10c members an incentive to travel).

The issue is still the same. There aren't enough tickets for most of the shows in the Northeast. There were only 2 or 3 I might of considered smaller market. It's definitely not like the NorthWest where demand was so low the 10c actually sent out a second offer email trying to get fan club members to buy tickets... lol. I think that was for Spokane, Portland, and Calgary (even Vancouver never ran out of 10c tickets). Those are what I consider small market.

You don't get it. We are not talking about an MSG show in NY. There certainly are enough tickets in the NE to accommodate everyone in the NE to *1* show at the bare minimum as long as they play enough cities. Make a limit, everyone gets one show, no one is shut out. Any left over, have another sale or lottery.

Actually, I don't think you get it. And you have no way of proving they have enough to guarantee everyone in a geographic area their hometown show. Maybe you feel someone that has to travel does not deserve a chance at your "hometown" show, so they should be forced to go somewhere else? Would you still be making the same argument if tickets were sold the old way and you got shut out? Do you think once a Boston area show sold out, 10c should just say to a person they have to go to Texas, or Phoenix or Charlotte, then they can give them a pair there but they have to travel?I think you feel there is more supply than demand, and that is not always the case. You could easily have chosen a city that had less demand, and chose not to. You could have gone to Spokane or Vancouver that had excess. And if I recall, after the 2nd Worcester show was added, the only people they sold them to at first were those that got shut out the 1st time. And other high demand 2 night cities you were only able to put in for one. They are trying to make the best out a situation. They are never going to guarantee anyone a show, it is simply not possible.

jfconnorjr

It may not be possible to guarantee a show for every one, but..... there should be an effort made to help out the faithful. I think we all would agree to that.

PJ_Soul

jfconnorjr said:

It may not be possible to guarantee a show for every one, but..... there should be an effort made to help out the faithful. I think we all would agree to that.

I think the lottery IS 10C's best solution to doing just that, as far as possible.

Zod

pjsteelerfan said:

Actually, I don't think you get it. And you have no way of proving they have enough to guarantee everyone in a geographic area their hometown show. Maybe you feel someone that has to travel does not deserve a chance at your "hometown" show, so they should be forced to go somewhere else? Would you still be making the same argument if tickets were sold the old way and you got shut out? Do you think once a Boston area show sold out, 10c should just say to a person they have to go to Texas, or Phoenix or Charlotte, then they can give them a pair there but they have to travel?I think you feel there is more supply than demand, and that is not always the case. You could easily have chosen a city that had less demand, and chose not to. You could have gone to Spokane or Vancouver that had excess. And if I recall, after the 2nd Worcester show was added, the only people they sold them to at first were those that got shut out the 1st time. And other high demand 2 night cities you were only able to put in for one. They are trying to make the best out a situation. They are never going to guarantee anyone a show, it is simply not possible.

Thanks I'm not sure I could of said it much better myself. Most of the shows in the northeast were sold out within peoples first two picks (I don't think many rolled over to 3rd or 4th). Since each show had two picks, most of seats went to people that chose the show was "the one" they wanted to go to. There was the obvious loophole of splitting your first two choices between different cities to try and jam in ahead of people that used the first two for one show (and I think that could use a tweak) but for the most part those shows were attended by the people that said that's the show I want to go to, that's my #1/#2 pick.

It did a solid job of trying to spread out the limited tickets to different people. The only way you got tickets to other shows was if you chose shows that weren't in demand or crossed over to the other leg of tour (in which you got another #1 pick). I missed out on Seattle tickets which is something I've never experienced before, but I still think the system is fairly equitable.

When push comes to shove I would blame the band over everything. They don't play enough enough shows. If you do that in an area like the Northeast which is jam packed with big cities, then people who live in big cities not getting shows travel to big cities that are, and it's a gong show for tickets. When you compound that with fan clubs getting access to less tickets, it makes it hard on the fans.

I've always wondered if it's better to be a PJ fan in the East or the West. PJ seems to play more often in the East, but it's much easier to get tickets in the Northwest (except seattle).

Zod

jfconnorjr said:

It may not be possible to guarantee a show for every one, but..... there should be an effort made to help out the faithful. I think we all would agree to that.

I don't get that? Who are the faithful? Is this animal farm? Some 10c members are more equal than others? lol.

PJ_Soul

Zod said:

jfconnorjr said:

It may not be possible to guarantee a show for every one, but..... there should be an effort made to help out the faithful. I think we all would agree to that.

I don't get that? Who are the faithful? Is this animal farm? Some 10c members are more equal than others? lol.

I figured he just meant 10C members.

rival9500

Okay...PJ fan A picks Baltimore, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Brooklyn 1 and 2 and gets all except Brooklyn 2. PJ fan B picks the same shows and gets nothing. Why is this fair? Seems like bullshit to me.

PJ_Soul

rival9500 said:

Okay...PJ fan A picks Baltimore, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Brooklyn 1 and 2 and gets all except Brooklyn 2. PJ fan B picks the same shows and gets nothing. Why is this fair? Seems like bullshit to me.

Did that actually happen?

pjsteelerfan

rival9500 said:

Okay...PJ fan A picks Baltimore, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Brooklyn 1 and 2 and gets all except Brooklyn 2. PJ fan B picks the same shows and gets nothing. Why is this fair? Seems like bullshit to me.

Why not choose a realistic scenario? Almost all of not all of those shows sold out to people that had it as their first choice or 2nd choice. If you had Brooklyn as your 5th or 6th choice and did not get picked, you should not be surprised. Same with Pittsburgh, or Buffalo. They did not have enough tickets to cover everyone that had those as their first choice. They can't guarantee everyone a ticket. They don't have the supply to meet the demand. They gave everyone preferences and tried to spread out the tickets as best they could. You could have chose to gone to a less in demand show. Everyone could have. Some people did, other's didn't.

pjsteelerfan

PJ_Soul said:

rival9500 said:

Okay...PJ fan A picks Baltimore, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Brooklyn 1 and 2 and gets all except Brooklyn 2. PJ fan B picks the same shows and gets nothing. Why is this fair? Seems like bullshit to me.

Did that actually happen?

No, it did not

rival9500

This was an example of many people getting multiple shows that other people who picked the same shows got stiffed on. This was very realistic example. If you want, let's say PJ fan 1 gets 3 shows. I still get 0. Why do they get multiple and I get 0???

pjsteelerfan

rival9500 said:

This was an example of many people getting multiple shows that other people who picked the same shows got stiffed on. This was very realistic example. If you want, let's say PJ fan 1 gets 3 shows. I still get 0. Why do they get multiple and I get 0???

Again,one person picked 3 shows not in demand, say Portland, Spokane, and Vancouver that did not sell out their 10c allotment and got them all. But you chose Pittsburgh, Buffalo, and Brooklyn that all had extremely high demand and did not have enough to cover everyone that had them as their 1st choice, that is the 1st persons fault or 10c? No, its not.