.. You're correct. The point of the thread is whether or not a citizen can ignore the system of law in this country... a system that is outlined and built by our Constitution... based soley upon the belief that the person does not believe in the law because he/she does not like the law
That we should basically, leave trespassers alone... because they have been trespassing for the past 20 years or so.
yeah.......kinda like illegal border crossing ? Godfather.
... So, am I correct to presume that since you are against illegal immigration (trespassing), then you are also on the side of the Federal Government in the Cliven Bundy case? ... And yes.. I believe that the U.S. NEEDS comprehensive immigration Reform. That is to look at the issue from all sides and seek common ground solutions that are beneficial for businesses that rely on cheap labor and the migrant workers willing to accept those jobs at that pay rate. ... The Bundy situation is completely different. Mr. Bundy is trespassing on Government Owned land. Illegal Immigrants are being hired by American Private citizens to work in Private Sector businesses. See the difference?
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That the anti - government types are ALWAYS ALL WHITE??
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Apparantly you are not familiar with The S1W, the Apocalypse of 91,and the Terrordome project ....
I'm well acquainted with Public Enemy canon and yet I dont see Chuck D, Flavor Flav, or Professor Griff out on the frontlines defending people like Cliven Bundy.
Professer Griff has declared that they maintain a shadow network for the time being. After the noise had been brought, setbacks have occured. One does not simply call 911 these days.
yes, after the noise had been brought (1989 was the year 0 AN), i heard terminator x had spun the wax for the last time and now he is workin for the man. funny how things turn out...
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Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claimed during a Friday interview on CNN that he didn’t understand the bipartisan outrage over his recent comments suggesting the "Negro people" were “better off” as slaves, and blamed the perception that he's racist on Martin Luther King Jr. for not finishing “his job.”
"I took this boot off so I wouldn’t put my foot in my mouth with the boot on," Bundy said. "Let me see if I can say something. Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think.
“If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be [offended], then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he added. "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."
Bundy has allowed his cattle to illegally graze on government-owned land without paying fees since 1993. He has been championed as an anti-government crusader in recent weeks by some conservatives, including Sens. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), though they've distanced themselves from him in the wake of his racist remarks.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
what is getting muddled up here ids this: 1. Comparing Bundy with Ruby Ridge and/or Waco, TX. Wrong because both Ruby Ridge and Waco took place on private property. Bundy's dispute is taking place on Federally owned land. Big difference. 2. Comparing Bundy to emminent domain. Wrong because emminent domain is not taking place. Mr. Bundy does not own the property in question. No one is coming to take 'his' land. They are there to remove his property (cattle) from their land. 3. Excessive force used by the Federal government Wrong because the initial force was met with armed protestors. People like this: Will bring in people like this:
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Does anyone seriously think anyone there was truly wishing for any kind of 'action'? I firmly believe this was just a stage to display their commando gear and really cool guns.
Sure... these fools are probably talking in the pub right now about how they were 'ready to go'... but the thing unmentioned is the fact that none had the will or desire to truly get into it. They knew the patience and discipline of the government officers was such that they were 'safe' displaying their false bravado.
if i had to put my life on the line for a cause, it would not be for this one and it would not be for this dumbass, racist, unamerican, tax dodging deadbeat.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
if i had to put my life on the line for a cause, it would not be for this one and it would not be for this dumbass, racist, unamerican, tax dodging deadbeat.
if i had to put my life on the line for a cause, it would not be for this one and it would not be for this dumbass, racist, unamerican, tax dodging deadbeat.
... Technically... they weren't actually putting their lives on the line... they were putting their wives' and daughter's lifes on the line. ... Or so they claim.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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yes, after the noise had been brought (1989 was the year 0 AN), i heard terminator x had spun the wax for the last time and now he is workin for the man. funny how things turn out...
it turns out Terminator X became an ostrich farmer ... i repeat, an ostrich farmer. let that sink in ....
yes, after the noise had been brought (1989 was the year 0 AN), i heard terminator x had spun the wax for the last time and now he is workin for the man. funny how things turn out...
it turns out Terminator X became an ostrich farmer ... i repeat, an ostrich farmer. let that sink in ....
got so used to educating people with their head in the sand it was an easy transition
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Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claimed during a Friday interview on CNN that he didn’t understand the bipartisan outrage over his recent comments suggesting the "Negro people" were “better off” as slaves, and blamed the perception that he's racist on Martin Luther King Jr. for not finishing “his job.”
"I took this boot off so I wouldn’t put my foot in my mouth with the boot on," Bundy said. "Let me see if I can say something. Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think.
“If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be [offended], then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he added. "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."
Bundy has allowed his cattle to illegally graze on government-owned land without paying fees since 1993. He has been championed as an anti-government crusader in recent weeks by some conservatives, including Sens. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), though they've distanced themselves from him in the wake of his racist remarks.
smh....wow. This dude just needs to shut his mouth.
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Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claimed during a Friday interview on CNN that he didn’t understand the bipartisan outrage over his recent comments suggesting the "Negro people" were “better off” as slaves, and blamed the perception that he's racist on Martin Luther King Jr. for not finishing “his job.”
"I took this boot off so I wouldn’t put my foot in my mouth with the boot on," Bundy said. "Let me see if I can say something. Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think.
“If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be [offended], then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he added. "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."
Bundy has allowed his cattle to illegally graze on government-owned land without paying fees since 1993. He has been championed as an anti-government crusader in recent weeks by some conservatives, including Sens. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), though they've distanced themselves from him in the wake of his racist remarks.
smh....wow. This dude just needs to shut his mouth.
Good GOD, yes! The man is badly in need of some duck take around the mouth.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Let him continue to spew his ignorance. Rather sad when a person doesn't even realize he's being a racist but have seen this often. Duck dick was same way.
what is getting muddled up here ids this: 1. Comparing Bundy with Ruby Ridge and/or Waco, TX. Wrong because both Ruby Ridge and Waco took place on private property. Bundy's dispute is taking place on Federally owned land. Big difference. 2. Comparing Bundy to emminent domain. Wrong because emminent domain is not taking place. Mr. Bundy does not own the property in question. No one is coming to take 'his' land. They are there to remove his property (cattle) from their land. 3. Excessive force used by the Federal government Wrong because the initial force was met with armed protestors. People like this: Will bring in people like this:
Those armed govt thugs were there prior to any protestors.
what is getting muddled up here ids this: 1. Comparing Bundy with Ruby Ridge and/or Waco, TX. Wrong because both Ruby Ridge and Waco took place on private property. Bundy's dispute is taking place on Federally owned land. Big difference. 2. Comparing Bundy to emminent domain. Wrong because emminent domain is not taking place. Mr. Bundy does not own the property in question. No one is coming to take 'his' land. They are there to remove his property (cattle) from their land. 3. Excessive force used by the Federal government Wrong because the initial force was met with armed protestors. People like this: Will bring in people like this:
Those armed govt thugs were there prior to any protestors.
Awful heavy handed to collect a tax.
Do you know the difference between a "tax" and a "fee?" Also, do you know the difference between "public" and "private" land?
Those armed govt thugs were there prior to any protestors. Awful heavy handed to collect a tax.
... I'm really sorry I have to correct you, again... but, the threat came after the initial contact made by the Bundy Family and their supporters on 05-April-2014. That was the day when the Bundy sons were arrested by local and federal law enforcement after a group of protestors threatened unarmed civilian B.L.M. employees as they oversaw the confiscation of Bundy cattle on land owned by the United States. The scuffle took place on public property, not on Bundy's privately owned ranch. One of the sons was arrested for kicking a dog (supervised by local (Nevada) canine officers). The others were arrested for interferring with the arrest. There was a law enforcement force on site to deal with Bundy's previous threats of 'Doing whatever it takes' to prevent the confiscation of his cattle. He and members of his family were on record saying things, such as, "I own a shotgun and know how to use it". ... After that, self-proclaimed armed militia men began showing up to the Bunkervile site as a show of force and strategised the use women and children as "human shields". That is what you are reporting on. The local and federal law enforcement forces that were called in as tensions rose due to the increase of armed protestors coming on-site. .... Again... this WHOLE thing could have been easily averted had Mr. Bundy either: a. Paid the grazing fees and agreed to limit his cattle to the 150 head maximum.... OR... b. Removed his cattle and grazed them on his privately owned property or privately own grazing lands ... The Federal law enforcement officers were not there to round up the cattle... they were there to protect the contracted wranglers who were being paid to do so, as well as the unarmed civilian employees and National Park Rangers overseeing the task. ... NEXT!!!
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Bundy's parting shot loud fart of a noise will fade quickly enough. Good riddance and hasta la vista when your media racket dissipates- and it will- Mr. Bundy.
Excuse me, friends, but, goddamn it, is there any real news these day?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Bundy's parting shot loud fart of a noise will fade quickly enough. Good riddance and hasta la vista when your media racket dissipates- and it will- Mr. Bundy.
Excuse me, friends, but, goddamn it, is there any real news these day?
The site has appeared to change again. If you can call that real news?
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Bundy's parting shot loud fart of a noise will fade quickly enough. Good riddance and hasta la vista when your media racket dissipates- and it will- Mr. Bundy.
Excuse me, friends, but, goddamn it, is there any real news these day?
The site has appeared to change again. If you can call that real news?
This site is driving me away... again.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
.. You're correct. The point of the thread is whether or not a citizen can ignore the system of law in this country... a system that is outlined and built by our Constitution... based soley upon the belief that the person does not believe in the law because he/she does not like the law
That we should basically, leave trespassers alone... because they have been trespassing for the past 20 years or so.
yeah.......kinda like illegal border crossing ? Godfather.
... So, am I correct to presume that since you are against illegal immigration (trespassing), then you are also on the side of the Federal Government in the Cliven Bundy case? ... And yes.. I believe that the U.S. NEEDS comprehensive immigration Reform. That is to look at the issue from all sides and seek common ground solutions that are beneficial for businesses that rely on cheap labor and the migrant workers willing to accept those jobs at that pay rate. ... The Bundy situation is completely different. Mr. Bundy is trespassing on Government Owned land. Illegal Immigrants are being hired by American Private citizens to work in Private Sector businesses. See the difference?
Mr. Bundy is not an illegal and what little I do know of this reeks of government control, it seems WACO has tought the fed's something sense they have not killed his family and burned bown his home yet, this is one of those situations that sounds like our government is stepping over it's bounds...bulling a property owner over grazzing land ? but I will admit I have not had time to really check this out.
I can see where this could get very confusing......all this just because the government want's mr.bundys cattle off federal land...wtf is really going here ? this all sounds crazy to me.
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.. You're correct. The point of the thread is whether or not a citizen can ignore the system of law in this country... a system that is outlined and built by our Constitution... based soley upon the belief that the person does not believe in the law because he/she does not like the law
That we should basically, leave trespassers alone... because they have been trespassing for the past 20 years or so.
yeah.......kinda like illegal border crossing ? Godfather.
... So, am I correct to presume that since you are against illegal immigration (trespassing), then you are also on the side of the Federal Government in the Cliven Bundy case? ... And yes.. I believe that the U.S. NEEDS comprehensive immigration Reform. That is to look at the issue from all sides and seek common ground solutions that are beneficial for businesses that rely on cheap labor and the migrant workers willing to accept those jobs at that pay rate. ... The Bundy situation is completely different. Mr. Bundy is trespassing on Government Owned land. Illegal Immigrants are being hired by American Private citizens to work in Private Sector businesses. See the difference?
Mr. Bundy is not an illegal and what little I do know of this reeks of government control, it seems WACO has tought the fed's something sense they have not killed his family and burned bown his home yet, this is one of those situations that sounds like our government is stepping over it's bounds...bulling a property owner over grazzing land ? but I will admit I have not had time to really check this out.
Godfather.
Except GF he aint being forced off HIS land. Its OUR LAND. That is the issue. Fucking squatter profiting of it too.
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So, am I correct to presume that since you are against illegal immigration (trespassing), then you are also on the side of the Federal Government in the Cliven Bundy case?
...
And yes.. I believe that the U.S. NEEDS comprehensive immigration Reform. That is to look at the issue from all sides and seek common ground solutions that are beneficial for businesses that rely on cheap labor and the migrant workers willing to accept those jobs at that pay rate.
...
The Bundy situation is completely different. Mr. Bundy is trespassing on Government Owned land. Illegal Immigrants are being hired by American Private citizens to work in Private Sector businesses.
See the difference?
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
triple facepalm...
Cliven Bundy: If People Think I'm Racist, Blame MLK Jr.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/cliven-bundy-racist-mlk_n_5212526.html
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claimed during a Friday interview on CNN that he didn’t understand the bipartisan outrage over his recent comments suggesting the "Negro people" were “better off” as slaves, and blamed the perception that he's racist on Martin Luther King Jr. for not finishing “his job.”
"I took this boot off so I wouldn’t put my foot in my mouth with the boot on," Bundy said. "Let me see if I can say something. Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think.
“If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be [offended], then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he added. "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."
Bundy has allowed his cattle to illegally graze on government-owned land without paying fees since 1993. He has been championed as an anti-government crusader in recent weeks by some conservatives, including Sens. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), though they've distanced themselves from him in the wake of his racist remarks.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
1. Comparing Bundy with Ruby Ridge and/or Waco, TX.
Wrong because both Ruby Ridge and Waco took place on private property. Bundy's dispute is taking place on Federally owned land. Big difference.
2. Comparing Bundy to emminent domain.
Wrong because emminent domain is not taking place. Mr. Bundy does not own the property in question. No one is coming to take 'his' land. They are there to remove his property (cattle) from their land.
3. Excessive force used by the Federal government
Wrong because the initial force was met with armed protestors. People like this:
Will bring in people like this:
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Does anyone seriously think anyone there was truly wishing for any kind of 'action'? I firmly believe this was just a stage to display their commando gear and really cool guns.
Sure... these fools are probably talking in the pub right now about how they were 'ready to go'... but the thing unmentioned is the fact that none had the will or desire to truly get into it. They knew the patience and discipline of the government officers was such that they were 'safe' displaying their false bravado.
if i had to put my life on the line for a cause, it would not be for this one and it would not be for this dumbass, racist, unamerican, tax dodging deadbeat.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Technically... they weren't actually putting their lives on the line... they were putting their wives' and daughter's lifes on the line.
...
Or so they claim.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Those armed govt thugs were there prior to any protestors.
Awful heavy handed to collect a tax.
Peace.
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the dude owes the feds over a million dollars and they have been trying to get him to pay up for 20 years.
at what point would you try something other than a phone call and a bunch of letters that have not been responded to??
the man should go to jail, but he will not allow it. so if he has a gun, the feds are going to show up with guns too.
bundy has had enough of a free ride AND he got famous over it.
pay up and get they fuck off of federal land. period. end of story. the vast majority of americans feel the same way.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm really sorry I have to correct you, again... but, the threat came after the initial contact made by the Bundy Family and their supporters on 05-April-2014. That was the day when the Bundy sons were arrested by local and federal law enforcement after a group of protestors threatened unarmed civilian B.L.M. employees as they oversaw the confiscation of Bundy cattle on land owned by the United States. The scuffle took place on public property, not on Bundy's privately owned ranch.
One of the sons was arrested for kicking a dog (supervised by local (Nevada) canine officers). The others were arrested for interferring with the arrest.
There was a law enforcement force on site to deal with Bundy's previous threats of 'Doing whatever it takes' to prevent the confiscation of his cattle. He and members of his family were on record saying things, such as, "I own a shotgun and know how to use it".
...
After that, self-proclaimed armed militia men began showing up to the Bunkervile site as a show of force and strategised the use women and children as "human shields". That is what you are reporting on. The local and federal law enforcement forces that were called in as tensions rose due to the increase of armed protestors coming on-site.
....
Again... this WHOLE thing could have been easily averted had Mr. Bundy either:
a. Paid the grazing fees and agreed to limit his cattle to the 150 head maximum.... OR...
b. Removed his cattle and grazed them on his privately owned property or privately own grazing lands
...
The Federal law enforcement officers were not there to round up the cattle... they were there to protect the contracted wranglers who were being paid to do so, as well as the unarmed civilian employees and National Park Rangers overseeing the task.
...
NEXT!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
Peace.
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Excuse me, friends, but, goddamn it, is there any real news these day?
no??
aww shit back to benghazi it is...
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Oh give me a home
Where the..."
No?
Ok. :-)
8-X :-?? :-t :(|) 8-}
but I will admit I have not had time to really check this out.
Godfather.
Godfather.
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