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pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

check out HBO's Real Sports this month. they have a story on 'everyone gets a trophy generation'. I remember making a comment about everyone getting a trophy these days during the celebration of the usa 1 win world cup team and some of you guys not knowing about it or giving me grief about. interesting story.

so don't check it out. it's a good story and pretty much shows you i was spot on with my comments last year about what giving every kid a trophy does.

but hey if you want to go back into your prediction for 12 years down the line after last weeks debacle we can do that as well.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

check out HBO's Real Sports this month. they have a story on 'everyone gets a trophy generation'. I remember making a comment about everyone getting a trophy these days during the celebration of the usa 1 win world cup team and some of you guys not knowing about it or giving me grief about. interesting story.

so don't check it out. it's a good story and pretty much shows you i was spot on with my comments last year about what giving every kid a trophy does.

but hey if you want to go back into your prediction for 12 years down the line after last weeks debacle we can do that as well.

I will check it out, but it has nothing to do with the world cup team. I would also argue there has to be some middle ground between every kid getting a trophy and the type of stuff that is discussed in the NY Times article from Sunday about helicopter parents pushing kids to win/succeed in everything and colleges now having a major suicide problem.

The Gold Cup was a disaster. I was very surprised not to see some of the younger players not getting more time, but that doesn't have a ton to do with what is going to happen a decade from now. Now if they lose this confederation's cup play in game, all bets are off. I don't think Klinsman loses his job and he will be coaching in Russia, but there is a much bigger impact on results in Russia than there has been.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

check out HBO's Real Sports this month. they have a story on 'everyone gets a trophy generation'. I remember making a comment about everyone getting a trophy these days during the celebration of the usa 1 win world cup team and some of you guys not knowing about it or giving me grief about. interesting story.

so don't check it out. it's a good story and pretty much shows you i was spot on with my comments last year about what giving every kid a trophy does.

but hey if you want to go back into your prediction for 12 years down the line after last weeks debacle we can do that as well.

I will check it out, but it has nothing to do with the world cup team. I would also argue there has to be some middle ground between every kid getting a trophy and the type of stuff that is discussed in the NY Times article from Sunday about helicopter parents pushing kids to win/succeed in everything and colleges now having a major suicide problem.

The Gold Cup was a disaster. I was very surprised not to see some of the younger players not getting more time, but that doesn't have a ton to do with what is going to happen a decade from now. Now if they lose this confederation's cup play in game, all bets are off. I don't think Klinsman loses his job and he will be coaching in Russia, but there is a much bigger impact on results in Russia than there has been.

i know that, i was just pointing out in my original post where and when the discussion on everyone gets a trophy went back to in this thread. that's all. clearly it wasn't taken that way

eeriepadave

Pappelbon to the Nats

Wobbie

eeriepadave said:

Pappelbon to the Nats

makes the nats that much more hateable.

JK_Livin

He was an ass but he pitched very well here.

eeriepadave

Kenny G with the save!

The Juggler

Phillies get value sending Papelbon to Nationals

Keith Law, ESPN Insider

The Washington Nationals get a minor bullpen boost with the acquisition of Philadelphia Phillies right-hander Jonathan Papelbon -- who gets points for being a "proven closer" but is actually just a competent above-average reliever -- at the cost of a solid starting pitching prospect who's close to the majors but is also a guy without huge upside.

Papelbon has remade himself even as his fastball has lost almost 4 mph since his peak years in Boston. He's working up in the zone with the four-seamer and down with the splitter, and also incorporating a slider to the greatest extent of his career. The splitter has been less effective this year against lefties, although it's too small a sample to condemn him to right-handed specialist duty; it's just something to be wary of.

He's a modest upgrade to the Nats' late-game relief corps, not specifically over Drew Storen but over whatever right-handed reliever gets bounced from the roster. As with the Mets' acquisition of Tyler Clippard on Monday, this deal is probably worth something on the order of just three or four runs saved.

Papelbon negotiated a deal with the Nats in which the team picked up his vesting option for 2016 at an amount below the option's $13 million, which avoids a messy situation if he weren't closing for the Nats and couldn't get the 14 games finished he needed for the option to vest. His market value would probably be in the $7-8 million per year range due to his experience as a closer, so if the Nats are paying something at the lower end of that range, I'd call the added year an asset.

The Phillies do well in this deal, landing right-handed starting pitching prospect Nick Pivetta, who has struggled since a promotion to Double-A earlier this month but projects as a potential back-end starter. I saw him pitch in Single-A Wilmington before his promotion, where he was throwing heat between 90-95 mph that was usually sitting between 92-94, without life but with very good deception. His curveball has good angle but he appeared to be babying the pitch slightly when I saw him, rather than finishing it hard for maximum rotation. He rotates his hips late, taking a short stride with a stiff landing that costs him some arm speed, a suboptimal delivery for a starter.

At worst, Pivetta is a very good two-pitch reliever with plus control, but he has the feel and stamina to work as a starting pitcher, and the Phillies should continue with him in that role, perhaps lengthening his stride just a little bit to see if the breaking ball improves.

The Juggler

9-1 since the break. wtf?

eeriepadave

The Juggler said:

9-1 since the break. wtf?

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/5877280/#Comment_5877280

Yeah i'm kinda shocked by this. Although unfortunately I still think they have the worst record.

The Juggler

eeriepadave said:

The Juggler said:

9-1 since the break. wtf?

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/5877280/#Comment_5877280

Yeah i'm kinda shocked by this. Although unfortunately I still think they have the worst record.

it's that pete mackanin magic!

Wobbie

The Juggler said:

9-1 since the break. wtf?

I know what that means....it means you're gonna start talking about how much you like this team.

The Juggler

imalive said:

The Juggler said:

9-1 since the break. wtf?

I know what that means....it means you're gonna start talking about how much you like this team.

...no

Jearlpam0925

This is the smartest the Phillies mgmt have looked in the past 4 years....and all it took was a no-hitter...and by the fortunate graces that apparently Price and Samardzija are off the market.

Can't argue with what they got for Papelbone - the fact that they don't have to pay a dime of his salary next season is a victory in and of itself.

Now, they have till Friday to fuck it all up....

The Juggler

Whoever is the one calling the shots appears to have made out as well as can be expected from the Pap, Rollins, and Byrd trades. Makes me feel a little less apprehensive about what they end up getting for Cole...gonna find out sooner than later.

The Juggler

Looking like Texas...

The Fixer

the return on this hamels trade sounds horrendous. exactly what I've expected under this abortion of an executive team. they just don't get it...fucking idiots

eeriepadave

The Fixer said:

the return on this hamels trade sounds horrendous. exactly what I've expected under this abortion of an executive team. they just don't get it...fucking idiots

who are you hearing they are getting in return?

The Fixer

eeriepadave said:

The Fixer said:

the return on this hamels trade sounds horrendous. exactly what I've expected under this abortion of an executive team. they just don't get it...fucking idiots

who are you hearing they are getting in return?

jorge alfaro - catcher
chi chi gonzalez - rhp
nick williams - LF
and possibly another low level guy yet to be named

alfaro is the main get here. I think centering a return for an ace in his prime around a catcher is ridiculously stupid (but certainly not surprising because it's the phillies). It's like trading an NFL qb for a tight end

eeriepadave

The Fixer said:

eeriepadave said:

The Fixer said:

the return on this hamels trade sounds horrendous. exactly what I've expected under this abortion of an executive team. they just don't get it...fucking idiots

who are you hearing they are getting in return?

jorge alfaro - catcher
chi chi gonzalez - rhp
nick williams - LF
and possibly another low level guy yet to be named

oh ok and i'm pretty sure i have not heard of any of those guys. Are they suppose to be at least good prospects? I looked on espn for any info about the trade and couldn't really find anything on who the guys were.