PHILLY (Loosely Related to The Philadelphia Phillies)

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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    edited July 2015
    Jearlpam0925 said:

    The Fixer said:

    eeriepadave said:

    The Fixer said:

    the return on this hamels trade sounds horrendous. exactly what I've expected under this abortion of an executive team. they just don't get it...fucking idiots

    who are you hearing they are getting in return?
    jorge alfaro - catcher
    chi chi gonzalez - rhp
    nick williams - LF
    and possibly another low level guy yet to be named

    alfaro is the main get here. I think centering a return for an ace in his prime around a catcher is ridiculously stupid (but certainly not surprising because it's the phillies). It's like trading an NFL qb for a tight end
    THIS.

    Honestly, though, I don't mind this trade. Allegedly, Hamels blocked a trade from Houston, so that's who I would've liked to have seen them make this deal with, but I think they did as well as they were gonna do.

    I think Thompson and Williams can be players. They went from a woeful farm system to having 5 of the top 100 prospects.

    I can't argue with what they did. And I'm not going to bitch about Diekman, but I still like him. Think he's going to get better, but who knows playing in Texas.
    This regime has always had a hard on for catching prospects. I will never understand that. I think it's really dumb.

    The trade is a colossal disappointment for me. Now the farm system has one potential superstar (crawford), a bunch of number 3 starters (at best), and what projects to be league average players -- most of whom have terrible approaches at the plate (just like their current roster).

    People can try to talk themselves into this trade based off of meaningless prospect rankings, but they didn't get enough back for a top 10 league pitcher in his prime who's on a team friendly contract. Hell, the phils even sent money to texas in the deal and took on a terrible contract. At minimum they should have gotten a top tier prospect in return.

    It's an epic fail...typical for this franchise. middleton needs to fire everyone and start over.
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  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    This #chatwithpat on twitter is hilarious
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    Ranger prospect writer's perspective--thinks Phils made out well too

    http://www.lonestarball.com/2015/7/30/9072091/thoughts-on-the-trade
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  • JK_Livin
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    Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 2m2 minutes ago
    The details of the Hamels' trade underscores: PHI had far less leverage than expected, and were greatly boxed in by his no-trade provision.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    detroit just got a better package for price than phils got for hamels.

    phillies are losers
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    alford not in the price deal as originally reported by rosenthal. norris is still better than anyone the phillies received for hamels.

    quality over quantity every time
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Fixer said:

    alford not in the price deal as originally reported by rosenthal. norris is still better than anyone the phillies received for hamels.

    quality over quantity every time

    Boyd looks legit too.
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    You mean from a team that wasn't on Hamel's list?
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  • Wobbie
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    The Fixer said:

    Cliffy6745 said:



    And don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think it's bad, i just think it's comical they didn't get top prospects after 18 months of posturing

    Exactly

    I hate this trade
    and the beat goes on...

    :lol:

    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    JK_Livin said:

    You mean from a team that wasn't on Hamel's list?

    haha
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    JK_Livin said:

    You mean from a team that wasn't on Hamel's list?

    doesn't mean they couldn't have received a better return than what they ended up with
  • The Fixer
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    imalive said:

    The Fixer said:

    Cliffy6745 said:



    And don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think it's bad, i just think it's comical they didn't get top prospects after 18 months of posturing

    Exactly

    I hate this trade
    and the beat goes on...

    :lol:

    Historically I've done pretty well being in the minority in these philly sports threads. Just sayin...
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    They could've done worse.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    edited July 2015
    JK_Livin said:

    They could've done worse.

    Way worse. It's definitely a good sign when you see all the websites and writers that routinely bash Amaro and the Phils way of doing things concede they made just about he best possible deal they could.

    The fact that Marcus Hayes doesn't like it makes me feel better about it.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    the most shocking thing is that mr. sunshine on here doesn't like the trade. i mean who didn't see that coming?

    goodbye Cole. thanks for 2008 and a hell of a sendoff last saturday night.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Eveyone likes the trade. Ill trust the experts take on this. Thanks for the run Cole.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    edited July 2015
    The one thing I will say is that I would take the Tigers haul over the Phillies 10 times out of 10 and they had a much less valuable piece

    Phillies seems fine. Some half way decent potential but nothing like Norris
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    Cliffy6745 said:

    The one thing I will say is that I would take the Tigers haul over the Phillies 10 times out of 10 and they had a much less valuable piece

    Phillies seems fine. Some half way decent potential but nothing like Norris

    except Hamels wasn't accepting a trade to Toronto and he already turned down Houston. Your choices were Texas and the Dodgers and the Dodgers clearly weren't giving up their top 2 prospects.
  • The Juggler
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    pjhawks said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    The one thing I will say is that I would take the Tigers haul over the Phillies 10 times out of 10 and they had a much less valuable piece

    Phillies seems fine. Some half way decent potential but nothing like Norris

    except Hamels wasn't accepting a trade to Toronto and he already turned down Houston. Your choices were Texas and the Dodgers and the Dodgers clearly weren't giving up their top 2 prospects.
    Yup. Plus he turned down a chance to go to Houston. Bottom line is the Phils made the best deal available to them. Reasonable people understand this.
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  • The Juggler
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    Orioles might be in on Revere...
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