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The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I thought 86 was a pretty safe bet coming in.  I bought the hype which was dumb. What was the total wins for vegas?

I think this was a really disappointing season and I don't think the outlook is all that great.  They have 4 good players.  Juggs calls them underachieving, I am not so sure.  I also don't know that there is a big contract that could patch it up in Rendon or Cole (DON'T GO NEAR HIM, HE'S ALL OURS).  Need more than 1 or two players and need Kingery and Hoskins to continue developing. 

Segura is who he has always been.  He's fine. McCutchen..every team has players get hurt.  It's just not a very good baseball team, stating the obvious.  And they have probably the 2nd most annoying manager in baseball.

89.5 was their O/U

Tons of injuries and shit but I don’t see how this isn’t an underachieving team. Very disappointing. 

Because everyone is playing to who they are.  No one is really having a down season, are they?  

Their entire bullpen is injured and they lost Mcutchen early on. 
Rhys has hit like .180 since the break so I’d say he’s not playing to his capabilities.
The rotation behind Nola was not good to begin with but they’ve been way worse that in previous years as well. 

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I thought 86 was a pretty safe bet coming in.  I bought the hype which was dumb. What was the total wins for vegas?

I think this was a really disappointing season and I don't think the outlook is all that great.  They have 4 good players.  Juggs calls them underachieving, I am not so sure.  I also don't know that there is a big contract that could patch it up in Rendon or Cole (DON'T GO NEAR HIM, HE'S ALL OURS).  Need more than 1 or two players and need Kingery and Hoskins to continue developing. 

Segura is who he has always been.  He's fine. McCutchen..every team has players get hurt.  It's just not a very good baseball team, stating the obvious.  And they have probably the 2nd most annoying manager in baseball.

89.5 was their O/U

Tons of injuries and shit but I don’t see how this isn’t an underachieving team. Very disappointing. 

Because everyone is playing to who they are.  No one is really having a down season, are they?  

Their entire bullpen is injured and they lost Mcutchen early on. 
Rhys has hit like .180 since the break so I’d say he’s not playing to his capabilities.
The rotation behind Nola was not good to begin with but they’ve been way worse that in previous years as well. 

Every team has injuries.  Rhys has an .860 OPS in his 2nd full season.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

Disappointed based on expectations and hype coming in, but when you see who's going out there, it makes sense.  But I very much agree this is not an under achieving team.  The roster is slop

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

Pretty much. Basically they had little room for things to go wrong. And then a lot of things went wrong. 

I dont think its irrational to be disapointed based off the expectations though. I think that’s normal. 

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

Pretty much. Basically they had little room for things to go wrong. And then a lot of things went wrong. 

I dont think its irrational to be disapointed based off the expectations though. I think that’s normal. 

Haha, I guess better stated on my end would be, or should be, the expectations were irrational. Luckily the league is still slop as a whole so who knows.

Regardless, I'll be there next week for the kid's 2nd birthday. The obsession with the Phanatic started early.

pjhawks

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

this pretty much sums it up perfectly. i think we all hoped they would be better especially if everything went right.  lots has gone wrong though.  they are down 2 starting outfielders and the whole bullpen other than average closer Neris.  oh and their manager sucks too.  harper and realmuto have been fun to watch though.

The Fixer

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I thought 86 was a pretty safe bet coming in.  I bought the hype which was dumb. What was the total wins for vegas?

I think this was a really disappointing season and I don't think the outlook is all that great.  They have 4 good players.  Juggs calls them underachieving, I am not so sure.  I also don't know that there is a big contract that could patch it up in Rendon or Cole (DON'T GO NEAR HIM, HE'S ALL OURS).  Need more than 1 or two players and need Kingery and Hoskins to continue developing. 

Segura is who he has always been.  He's fine. McCutchen..every team has players get hurt.  It's just not a very good baseball team, stating the obvious.  And they have probably the 2nd most annoying manager in baseball.

89.5 was their O/U

Tons of injuries and shit but I don’t see how this isn’t an underachieving team. Very disappointing. 

zero talent cannot underachieve.  it's impossible

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

hoskins kinda sucks.  he might be a worse fielder than howard, which is terrifying.  I like his approach at the plate, but if you can't hit then a solid approach will only get you so far.  at the end of the day I don't think he's a core player on a good team.  the good news is that they haven't paid him yet, which will be a mistake when they inevitably do

I agree with most of what you say.  which is why it's hilarious that most fans of this team hate kapler so much.  Casey Stengel couldn't win with this dumpster fire of a roster

The Juggler

The Fixer said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I thought 86 was a pretty safe bet coming in.  I bought the hype which was dumb. What was the total wins for vegas?

I think this was a really disappointing season and I don't think the outlook is all that great.  They have 4 good players.  Juggs calls them underachieving, I am not so sure.  I also don't know that there is a big contract that could patch it up in Rendon or Cole (DON'T GO NEAR HIM, HE'S ALL OURS).  Need more than 1 or two players and need Kingery and Hoskins to continue developing. 

Segura is who he has always been.  He's fine. McCutchen..every team has players get hurt.  It's just not a very good baseball team, stating the obvious.  And they have probably the 2nd most annoying manager in baseball.

89.5 was their O/U

Tons of injuries and shit but I don’t see how this isn’t an underachieving team. Very disappointing. 

zero talent cannot underachieve.  it's impossible

You thought a zero talent team could win 86 games? 

The Fixer

The Juggler said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

Pretty much. Basically they had little room for things to go wrong. And then a lot of things went wrong. 

I dont think its irrational to be disapointed based off the expectations though. I think that’s normal. 

the expectations were off base.  they're not underachieving as a whole, they just flat out suck

The Fixer

The Juggler said:

The Fixer said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I thought 86 was a pretty safe bet coming in.  I bought the hype which was dumb. What was the total wins for vegas?

I think this was a really disappointing season and I don't think the outlook is all that great.  They have 4 good players.  Juggs calls them underachieving, I am not so sure.  I also don't know that there is a big contract that could patch it up in Rendon or Cole (DON'T GO NEAR HIM, HE'S ALL OURS).  Need more than 1 or two players and need Kingery and Hoskins to continue developing. 

Segura is who he has always been.  He's fine. McCutchen..every team has players get hurt.  It's just not a very good baseball team, stating the obvious.  And they have probably the 2nd most annoying manager in baseball.

89.5 was their O/U

Tons of injuries and shit but I don’t see how this isn’t an underachieving team. Very disappointing. 

zero talent cannot underachieve.  it's impossible

You thought a zero talent team could win 86 games? 

yes.  four good players.  I was wrong to say they could win the WC or division with that many wins.  that win total doesn't align with either of those statements, so that was really dumb to include that.

at the end of the day everyone here knows what I think of the franchise.  nothing will change until middleton shuts up, fires macphail, and they reconstruct the entire thing.  I'm not holding my breath

Jearlpam0925

The Fixer said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

hoskins kinda sucks.  he might be a worse fielder than howard, which is terrifying.  I like his approach at the plate, but if you can't hit then a solid approach will only get you so far.  at the end of the day I don't think he's a core player on a good team.  the good news is that they haven't paid him yet, which will be a mistake when they inevitably do

I don't think he's great, but I don't think he sucks. I see this more as his floor. He's controllable for like 4 or 5 more years so to me he's a part of the lineup and I'm fine with that. I think Bohm ends up your 1B at some point.

My biggest concern of filling a positional need is CF.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Fixer said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

hoskins kinda sucks.  he might be a worse fielder than howard, which is terrifying.  I like his approach at the plate, but if you can't hit then a solid approach will only get you so far.  at the end of the day I don't think he's a core player on a good team.  the good news is that they haven't paid him yet, which will be a mistake when they inevitably do

I don't think he's great, but I don't think he sucks. I see this more as his floor. He's controllable for like 4 or 5 more years so to me he's a part of the lineup and I'm fine with that. I think Bohm ends up your 1B at some point.

My biggest concern of filling a positional need is CF.

I saw someone on twitter, Stolnis maybe, compare him to Burrell. 

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Fixer said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

I think there's a difference between expectations and what's realistic. Based on expectations they've grossly underachieved, but the realities of this roster I'd say they're going to win more game than they should. Rotation is Nola then nobody. Bullpen is nobody then nobody at this point - their 9th best reliever is their "setup man" right now (I use that term very, very loosely). The bench was always short and shallow re: depth from the beginning. And the lineup outside of Kingery/Hoskins/Harper/Realmuto is nothing impressive when supported by the rest of this lineup. I think to be disappointed with this team as it stands right now is kind of irrational to be honest.

hoskins kinda sucks.  he might be a worse fielder than howard, which is terrifying.  I like his approach at the plate, but if you can't hit then a solid approach will only get you so far.  at the end of the day I don't think he's a core player on a good team.  the good news is that they haven't paid him yet, which will be a mistake when they inevitably do

I don't think he's great, but I don't think he sucks. I see this more as his floor. He's controllable for like 4 or 5 more years so to me he's a part of the lineup and I'm fine with that. I think Bohm ends up your 1B at some point.

My biggest concern of filling a positional need is CF.

their biggest issue (outside of having a president with a clue -- Team Fire MacPhail) is pitching.  they currently have one good pitcher and one good pitching prospect (and we know their track record of developing pitchers, so even howard is a question mark until proven otherwise -- Keith Law's most recent scouting report on howard mentioned that the phillies had him stop throwing his second best pitch.  haha).

I said before the season that this team was looking at a short window based on their roster.  they're not close to winning anything and most of their recent moves were a prime example of them trying to accelerate their half assed rebuild and sprinting to mediocrity.  I'd rather have crawford than segura at short.  I'd much rather have kingery playing second every day than hernandez.  Really don't have much young talent -- hasely is a fourth OF at best, moniak looks like a giant bust.  it's not promising going forward.

It's a rudderless ship.  Reminds me of the sixers pre-hinkie.  Tough to watch and incredibly frustrating as a fan.  I hope they lose out -- best way for changes to transpire

Jearlpam0925

I specified positional player kinda for that reason. Obviously they need to fix the rotation, and that will be way harder to do than the lineup.

Cliffy6745

There is absolutely no play in baseball worse than a walk off walk 

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Cliffy6745 said:

There is absolutely no play in baseball worse than a walk off walk 

The only thing that could be worse is balking in a man from third. 

2.5 games out of the wildcard with 17 games left. Whether they make it or not, it’s nice to have meaningful baseball in September 

Cliffy6745

Lets go phils?

eeriepadave

Cliffy6745 said:

Lets go phils?

who's that?