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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    Yep, definitely don't agree.

    Less guns = less murder absolutely. But if only it was that easy. I'd love to magic wand and have every gun in the world poof disappear. But this is reality and not Disneyland. I also know gun laws disproportionately affect black and brown neighborhoods, same with incarceration. I wish it were literally black and white on legislation, but again nothing actually is.

    So as much as it may seem a conversation of "I can't square my thoughts on gun reform with overall social program reform/incarceration/etc", I totally can.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Think I'm with Cliffy here. Every time someone gets shot with an illegally owned gun it's fodder for the gun lobby. "Why bother having any gun laws if these librels aren't gonna enforce 'em?"
    Well cause that's also bullshit. Some dummies like to go "BUT WHAT ABOUT CHICAGO?". And the majority of illegally possessed firearms are purchased in Indiana/Wisconsin/outside of the city. Chicago is super strict on gun possession and has a high gun violence rate, so is it working there? But it's fun for the non-city politicians to puppet ideas regarding places they don't live for their own gain.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Think I'm with Cliffy here. Every time someone gets shot with an illegally owned gun it's fodder for the gun lobby. "Why bother having any gun laws if these librels aren't gonna enforce 'em?"
    Well cause that's also bullshit. Some dummies like to go "BUT WHAT ABOUT CHICAGO?". And the majority of illegally possessed firearms are purchased in Indiana/Wisconsin/outside of the city. Chicago is super strict on gun possession and has a high gun violence rate, so is it working there? But it's fun for the non-city politicians to puppet ideas regarding places they don't live for their own gain.
    Yeah I hear ya - totally get that. They are in some ways opposing goals to reform the justice system and cut down gun violence - I understand it's complicated.

    We're gonna get the thread closed - how 'bout them cheesesteaks!
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,875
    There is certainly nuance to all of it and I don't disagree with that middle paragraph at all.  I'd argue strongly that reducing murders in black and brown neighborhoods, by throwing people in jail or not, is doing a lot more for those neighborhoods than the alternative.  Violence begets violence.

    And of course, social reforms in general are far past due. The education system in his city is a joke and I don't know how you can expect anything of someone if you don't give them the tools to succeed. And I agree that one shouldn't happen without the other, but here we are.

    That said, allowing guns to be on the street is completely unacceptable to me.

    We can go round and round on this, so I'll likely bow out
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    Very complicated. But hey I enjoy this kind of convo - not a fight here, I love this shit and could go on and on. I appreciate and respect what others have to say. But for the sake of everyone else I'll stop. I just don't do it in AMT anymore 'cause fuck that place. These are my peoples, and I enjoy it very much.


  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,875
    Yeah, man. Obviously no fight or hard feelings. Very civil for a complicated topic, if I say so myself. I can just see us repeating the same thing over and over and over and over.  
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Very complicated. But hey I enjoy this kind of convo - not a fight here, I love this shit and could go on and on. I appreciate and respect what others have to say. But for the sake of everyone else I'll stop. I just don't do it in AMT anymore 'cause fuck that place. These are my peoples, and I enjoy it very much.


    I peaked in that there AMT and you still got your trolls. The worst. Can't be wasting my time & energy on that. Delco Dems - we're out here getting RESULTS.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    You are correct. But I'll say this much - perceptions are bullshit. There's good people trying to do good things in this city. I don't like the label "liberal", I can tolerate the label "progressive" because my view on anything is "if it doesn't work, stop doing it. do something else. change is hard."  And I will TOTALLY accept the label of communist ;) .

    So yeah, @Johnny Abruzzo, I'm voting for Krasner because there's no way I'm voting for Vega. I will be knocking on doors for Larry more out of motivation of making sure Vega doesn't win. At the end of the day I think Larry wins, but wouldn't be shocked if he loses.

    Phils are losing.


  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,380
    edited May 2021
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Very complicated. But hey I enjoy this kind of convo - not a fight here, I love this shit and could go on and on. I appreciate and respect what others have to say. But for the sake of everyone else I'll stop. I just don't do it in AMT anymore 'cause fuck that place. These are my peoples, and I enjoy it very much.


          
    It is tough not to get trapped by some of the conversations there.  "If we were having a beer we would get along fine" is my favorite throw away line from AMT.
    Ummmm, not if you say out loud what you just typed, homie.  Beer + my listening to that shit does not improve how things go down.
    Quite.
    The.
    Opposite.

    :lol:

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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Very complicated. But hey I enjoy this kind of convo - not a fight here, I love this shit and could go on and on. I appreciate and respect what others have to say. But for the sake of everyone else I'll stop. I just don't do it in AMT anymore 'cause fuck that place. These are my peoples, and I enjoy it very much.


          
    It is tough not to get trapped by some of the conversations there.  "If we were having a beer we would get along fine" is my favorite throw away line from AMT.
    Ummmm, not if you say out loud why you just typed, homie.  Beer + my listening to that shit does not improve how things go down.
    Quite.
    The.
    Opposite.

    :lol:

    Haha, very much so. If anything it helps me know who to avoid if I were ever to meet them in person. It just reminds me that Pearl Jam is a very, very popular band with a very large, aging fanbase - and meeting one of them could mean possibly mean meeting a complete piece of shit.  =)
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    So yeah, @Johnny Abruzzo, I'm voting for Krasner because there's no way I'm voting for Vega. I will be knocking on doors for Larry more out of motivation of making sure Vega doesn't win. At the end of the day I think Larry wins, but wouldn't be shocked if he loses.

    Phils are losing.


    I'd vote for Krasner if I still lived there - same reasons as you. Happy to be called a progressive but fuck communism. We don't need the government making hamburgers or whatever. Capitalism is awesome if we have half decent oversight on it.

    At least Phils won the series.

    F Me In The Brain said:

    It is tough not to get trapped by some of the conversations there.  "If we were having a beer we would get along fine" is my favorite throw away line from AMT.
    Ummmm, not if you say out loud what you just typed, homie.  Beer + my listening to that shit does not improve how things go down.
    Quite.
    The.
    Opposite.

    :lol:
    Exactly - hearing that crap in person is infuriating and it's tough not to get into a fist fight.
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13;
    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,875
    On a side note, I kept the fat south Philly week going yesterday with this bad boy from pastifico 


  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    Damn it's really time for an Italian hoagie. Maybe on my way back from vaccination Saturday I'll pick one up.
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    Aw, man, fuck it, I'm ordering some Pastificio's now. Thanks, Cliff (this is both a genuine thanks and derision at the same time).
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    Also that needs to go in the cheesesteak/hoagie thread.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    I think Saturday is a good day for the kids' first bona fide cheesesteaks. What do you think - American or Provy? (anyone who says orange fake plastic cheese is dead to me)
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    1) Where are you going?
    2) American
    3) If it was 3am I'd say Heart Attack of American, Whiz, Prov.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    I think Bria & Lotella's right near my house. They will probably like American.
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Cliffy6745 said:
    On a side note, I kept the fat south Philly week going yesterday with this bad boy from pastifico 


    Cliff I thought you didn't like the hard rolls? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

    That looks great though. Hoagie Night at The Juggler Homestead this evening as well!
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    edited May 2021
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I think Bria & Lotella's right near my house. They will probably like American.
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/106818/so-really-best-cheese-steak-in-philly-is/p23

    You've been gone a while so not sure you've checked this thread out yet. 


    Edit---never mind. Just checked and you're all over that one. lol

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,875
    The Juggler said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    On a side note, I kept the fat south Philly week going yesterday with this bad boy from pastifico 


    Cliff I thought you didn't like the hard rolls? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

    That looks great though. Hoagie Night at The Juggler Homestead this evening as well!
    That's me...don't love them but that was damn good and I was in the mood.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    Roll needs to be hard and crunch on the outside, super soft on the inside. Sure looks like a Sarcone of that sort.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    The Juggler said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I think Bria & Lotella's right near my house. They will probably like American.
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/106818/so-really-best-cheese-steak-in-philly-is/p23

    You've been gone a while so not sure you've checked this thread out yet. 


    Edit---never mind. Just checked and you're all over that one. lol

    Cooper Sharp American. 
    Like I never left.  =)  You can really tell I'm working on a mundane task today.
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,380
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Roll needs to be hard and crunch on the outside, super soft on the inside. Sure looks like a Sarcone of that sort.

    The wife and I have this discussion --- I am with you, she is with Cliffy.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Roll needs to be hard and crunch on the outside, super soft on the inside. Sure looks like a Sarcone of that sort.

    The wife and I have this discussion --- I am with you, she is with Cliffy.
    Yeah my wife prefers fraud rolls too.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,380
    The Juggler said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Roll needs to be hard and crunch on the outside, super soft on the inside. Sure looks like a Sarcone of that sort.

    The wife and I have this discussion --- I am with you, she is with Cliffy.
    Yeah my wife prefers fraud rolls too.

    Leave them out overnight and then they are good - lol.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    Sarcone's bread is the best I've ever had and I've been all over Italy.
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,380
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Sarcone's bread is the best I've ever had and I've been all over Italy.
    I figured you might have....although a certain region in eastern Italy especially.  ;)
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,714
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Sarcone's bread is the best I've ever had and I've been all over Italy.
    I figured you might have....although a certain region in eastern Italy especially.  ;)
    Yes to see the relatives but I want to explore the region more. 😀
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,073
    Getting very close to letting all hang out. Cheers people.

    This gives me irrational pent up joy:


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