Pearl Jam limited edition chrome Pono Player

EdsonNascimento

And if you want to see what this stuff has wrought. Look no further than Lost Dogs

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/236467/fs-signed-neil-young-poster-from-carnegie-hall-by-blek-le-rat


How many of the PJ Ponos were bought to flip? Fans taking advantage of fans. Neil has taught us well. I'm sure Ed's happy that his support has turned into this great big money grab by the Pono folks.

If they need investment money they should do it the way other credible businesses do it and not take advantage of people. Here's guessing those other sources said no (or they didn't even try) b/c they had to tell them what they were using the money for and they have lawyers and business people that know the right questions to ask (and have the opportunity to do so).

PJ_Soul

EdsonNascimento said:

PJ_Soul said:

50/50 odds are great odds when it comes to investing.

I have NO clue what this "taking advantage of the fans" business is about. We are all adults and can make an informed decision as to what we spend our money on. I don't think too many children are investing in this.

Have you seen the blind adoration around these parts? It's not just PJ that elicits that response (though it does seem to be disproportionate).

I was really talking about the most recent money grab. It is not an investment opportunity. It is a money grab plain and simple. Again, I haven't read the ownership type and % you get, so maybe, I'm wrong here in guessing it amounts to nothing more than preying on people. And if you've watched these boards and seen people complain about not affording food, but then going to 15 concerts in a row, you know there are folks spending $5,000 that shouldn't be. It's not just folks that can throw it away. That's distasteful.

But, it does extend to the equipment itself, also - how many of the purchases do you think were for the equipment and how many b/c of the signatures? If you bought it for the latter only and are convincing yourself the technology is worth it - that's being taken advantage of. (If you bought it for the sigs as a collectors' item, then that is not. You're buying it for what it is to you).

If you believe in the tech, and are into that kind of stuff and you bought one as an early adopter to see the thing succeed, then great. But, I'd wager at least 75% of what was bought in the Kickstarter was b/c of the sigs and not the equipment (just look at which artists sold and which didn't. If you wanted in on the technology, when PJ sold out, should you really care if Kenny Rogers signed yours? Can't you just hide the sig? It's the technology that's important. Isn't it?). Again, that's taking advantage of the fans.

Blind admiration? No, I haven't seen that. I've seen people finding out about a cool product that they want. I see no blindness, I think everyone here deserves a lot more credit. I am surprised you are somehow blaming a company for the decisions of the consumers. As though making the product even better by putting the etchings on is the same as drugging all the buyers? They are giving the buyers what they want. I don't care if someone wants it because of an etching or because of the device. I personally didn't buy one at all yet because of the awkward shape of the thing, lol.

Obviously they think this will be or certainly very well could be a great business so they are offering people an opportunity it to invest, and a way for them to do research before they do. Nothing shady about that. It seems normal to me. It's not like they're insisting. They're just throwing it out there for people who are interested in making an investment. This is a high end product and the amount of money they're taking in doesn't seem out of hand to me for what is essentially an electronics company with a significant jumping off point because of the players involved and their expectations for the pono.

JOEJOEJOE

If they really want to raise more dough, you'd think they could just find private equity investors who could put up serious money. Either that didn't work, or they truly want to include smaller investors in the project.

PJ_Soul

JOEJOEJOE said:

If they really want to raise more dough, you'd think they could just find private equity investors who could put up serious money. Either that didn't work, or they truly want to include smaller investors in the project.

Didn't they make a big point of saying that they want to involve the music fans who really care about high quality audio when they started out?

demetrios

Pearl Jam LE Announcement - Pono has announced that the Pearl Jam Artist Signature Series LE for Kickstarter backers will include:

Lightning Bolt - 44.1 KHz/24 bit
vs. (Expanded Edition) - 44.1 KHz/24 bit

Description Discussion: Pearl Jam Artist Signature Series LE

Details surrounding recording provenance and the artists choices will be included here as this information becomes available to Pono.

https://ponomusic.force.com/_ui/core/chatter/groups/GroupProfilePage?g=0F9A00000004qjO (You'll need to log into your account to view).

demetrios

Was kinda hoping for a Pearl Jam album in 192kHz / 24Bit audio. Hopefully there will be singles & studio albums available down the road in that quality.

Rocketnino

Well, I think we all kinda assumed that Lightning Bolt would be one of the two - but man, I didn't see Vs. coming in as the other album. Even though it's not my favorite PJ album, the remastered version of that album is probably my favorite sounding remaster ever done, by any band, period. Just puts so much new life into that sound.

Can't wait to hear the stomping in W.M.A, the drop from the intro notes of RVM into the main guitar groove, the quiet subtleties of Daughter... man, it's gonna be rich.

scurtis

Asking for more money when they haven't produced a sale yet or an actual product doesn't mean they're in trouble or whatever, all it means is they are likely paying out their initial investors with the unexpected huge success of the Kickstarter campaign.

Kind of cheeky in my opinion, cause like the other dude said no venture capital guy/gal would give a business money with no product, no sales and likely little of their own equity.

I don't think it's taking advantage of "the little guy", just a business decision.

PS. Still want and wanted a PJ pono for my record shelf. Hopefully it won't cost me a thousand bucks! haha. I wonder as an investor if I could pull some strings.

CROJAM95

2 fine choices

october22

demetrios said:

Pearl Jam LE Announcement - Pono has announced that the Pearl Jam Artist Signature Series LE for Kickstarter backers will include:

Lightning Bolt - 44.1 KHz/24 bit
vs. (Expanded Edition) - 44.1 KHz/24 bit

Description Discussion: Pearl Jam Artist Signature Series LE

Details surrounding recording provenance and the artists choices will be included here as this information becomes available to Pono.

https://ponomusic.force.com/_ui/core/chatter/groups/GroupProfilePage?g=0F9A00000004qjO (You'll need to log into your account to view).

kind of a let down, but oh well. i wish pj would realize that binaural is their best record and stop shitting on it. doesn't matter either way though because obviously anyone here is going to load up all of their stuff and the majority of what i listen to is boots anyway.

cp3iverson

Itll be interesting to see how this turns out. The major music buyers (teens and younger adults) dont care about sound quality enough for something where they might not notice the difference anyway. The price factor on songs alone will drive people away.

october22

cp3iverson said:

Itll be interesting to see how this turns out. The major music buyers (teens and younger adults) dont care about sound quality enough for something where they might not notice the difference anyway. The price factor on songs alone will drive people away.

I agree but I like that it's an option. Anyone know why they would choose to release it at that rate when it's not the highest? I know the arguments about not being able to hear rates higher but why wouldn't a label just make it available since the cost is probably the same?

2-feign-reluctance

Damn, my fave PJ album offered up. I didn't have the $$ to jump on one of these & still don't. Hope it is amazing, & comes down to a decent price in the future.

mr_perfect

wait a sec, wasnt vs released as 24/96 on hdtracks???

logan5ive

Why aren't these in 192kHz/24Bit?

demetrios

mr_perfect said:

wait a sec, wasnt vs released as 24/96 on hdtracks???

It is. http://www.hdtracks.com/vs-remastered-135676 .
Vs. (Remastered) Available in Audiophile 96kHz/24bit.

I hope it's a text error on the Pono website or that Pearl Jam / Epic / Legacy gave the company the wrong kHz transfer rated source.

lolobugg

demetrios said:

mr_perfect said:

wait a sec, wasnt vs released as 24/96 on hdtracks???

It is. http://www.hdtracks.com/vs-remastered-135676 .
Vs. (Remastered) Available in Audiophile 96kHz/24bit.

I hope it's a text error on the Pono website or that Pearl Jam / Epic / Legacy gave the company the wrong kHz transfer rated source.

Yeah,
this doesn't make sense.
If it is available in 96kHz already then why wouldn't they offer that version to us as PONO backers????

2-feign-reluctance

lolobugg said:

demetrios said:

mr_perfect said:

wait a sec, wasnt vs released as 24/96 on hdtracks???

It is. http://www.hdtracks.com/vs-remastered-135676 .
Vs. (Remastered) Available in Audiophile 96kHz/24bit.

I hope it's a text error on the Pono website or that Pearl Jam / Epic / Legacy gave the company the wrong kHz transfer rated source.

Yeah,
this doesn't make sense.
If it is available in 96kHz already then why wouldn't they offer that version to us as PONO backers????

Scandalous!!

toolfan2305

anyone know what the albums will be for Metallica?

jjflash

Thanks to the ever-reliable source D for the info B-)
TP's two albums are Hypnotic Eye (48/24) and Wildflowers (96/24). Beck's are Mutations (192/24) and Sea Change (192/24)....interesting that he didn't serve up Morning Light as one of his two selections :-? . Uncle Neil's are A Letter Home (192/24) and Harvest (192/24). Curious to see what Metallica and Grateful Dead choose....no word on those yet. Will be dropping dime at some point for high res copies of Sea Change and Wildflowers :-B