I hate my iPod with a passion for too many reasons to list and have been in the market for something different to play my music from. I'm just not sure if this is the move I need to make.
Re-reading my posts in this thread makes it seem like I'm a total curmudgeon about this. Gah! I actually want this thing to succeed and change music forever, I hope everyone believes me.
I think the good thing we've got going for us is that - even if Pono itself does not end up being a revolution in and of itself - with the millions raised, it's hopefully caught the eye of entrepreneurial folks in the industry who *DO* have the power help deliver a revolution and help end the loudness war. Hard to argue with $5mm.
[i]Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?[/i]
Stoked I got one now….but where's BOOM?, c'mon! Boooooooooom
WE NEED MORE BOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!
Boom is not a member of the band.
He's not????? So who's that tall Harry guy on stage playing keys at every show??? I know he doesn't play on every song but he did write at least one song with Ed, right?.
No, he's not. So what if he wrote one song with Ed? (which song btw?).
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Stoked I got one now….but where's BOOM?, c'mon! Boooooooooom
WE NEED MORE BOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!
Boom is not a member of the band.
He's not????? So who's that tall Harry guy on stage playing keys at every show??? I know he doesn't play on every song but he did write at least one song with Ed, right?.
No, he's not. So what if he wrote one song with Ed? (which song btw?).
LBC
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Do we know anything about this player other than it's triangular shaped? Like is there a display screen, a touch screen, a click wheel, etc? Seems like it would be kinda weird to scroll through everything on what is essentially a peg. It's really not that insane price wise. I am surprised they don't have bigger capacities considering the file sizes are going to be huger than MP3 quality files... but old ipods used to cost $300 for 20GB didn't they? So $400 for a limited edition object and top of the line sound quality (so claimed) seems like a reasonable, affordable price to me.
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I hate my iPod with a passion for too many reasons to list and have been in the market for something different to play my music from. I'm just not sure if this is the move I need to make.
Exactly. I've never invested in great headphones because I appreciate the difference between cd and mp3 and you can't polish a turd (actually, you can. They did it on Mythbusters, but whatever). Anyway, this solves that problem. Vinyl quality sound on the go. The right product at the right time for me. I have no idea whether it will fail or succeed as a business (I'm inclined to think they're fighting the good yet probably impossible fight (especially with their download prices)) but it doesn't really matter to me so long as the player sounds as good as I expect it to.
Not going to make this a thread about boom pj soul. But as long as he's on stage rocking out with the boys every night, ill give him my respect and say he's one of the boys. And yeah I do agree with some of the points you made, but who wouldn't want to be sitting in there tiki hut sipping a drink with a little umbrella in it waiting for eds call. That would be fucking awesome!!!!! All I was saying is we need more boom.... Just like cow bell. I don't know why, but we do And these apple products are killing me. Hope this Pono is all they say it cracked up to be.
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Does anyone see this as a ridiculous money grab at this point? They've raised like 5 times what they wanted and yet they're still grabbing more.
To someone's earlier point - nobody is getting stock in this via this vehicle. So, they have basically been able to raise more than their full nut just by sucking these artists' fans in. It's an interesting turn of events. I'm sure they expected that they'd need to go to some venture capital at some point (even if it's one of the "founders" companies that funded it). And, yet they've now successfully found a way to fund (more than?) the whole thing via this. Shark Tank would be proud of them.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Well, to be fair that is what Kickstarter precisely is (a vehicle for the biggest money grab you can possibly get). I fully understand your sentiment, but it appears the artists' connection/collectibility is working for them, so who's to argue? The point is to raise as much as possible before your time is up and this is a way they've found to do it. Hopefully it's bringing good exposure to the artists as well as performers who value quality sound and want their names associated with it.
Now have I seen this sort of thing done better on Kickstarter before? Oh yes. With this strategy Pono continues to bring in new money which works to a certain limited degree, but if they really had their act together, they'd come up with some creative stretch goals to get the folks who have already laid the coin down to invest more and develop a stronger bond with the product/service (i.e. if we reach X amount of dollars we'll include a THIRD album for those who pre-order a Pono, or we'll promise certain features of the music service people might really be interested in seeing, or we'll throw in some quality earbuds...just brainstorming, but you get my drift).
It'd be hard for the average joe to get away with Pono's strategy, you typically see frequent updates and new additions to the campaign in order to draw in this sort of money, but it appears to be working for Neil.
[i]Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?[/i]
Does anyone see this as a ridiculous money grab at this point?
To be fair, unless you know how kickstarter runs, this may not be a very valid point. I don't particularly know either, but once you start a kickstarter project, you probably have to provide dates (and they did provide a clear end date to the campaign). I don't think that you can just end a kickstarter project early. That said, if people want to continue funding it, why should they say no?
Does anyone see this as a ridiculous money grab at this point?
To be fair, unless you know how kickstarter runs, this may not be a very valid point. I don't particularly know either, but once you start a kickstarter project, you probably have to provide dates (and they did provide a clear end date to the campaign). I don't think that you can just end a kickstarter project early. That said, if people want to continue funding it, why should they say no?
It is also a pretty big assumption that some of these artists aren't charging for their brand being used. Not saying all are, maybe none are, but some might be charging to have their names engraved on these things.
Another thing to consider is that the 1st gen is typically better made than future generations. This is because companies try to cut costs by using cheaper parts, etc... I mean the first iPhone, the first iPad, those things are solid.
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Another thing to consider is that the 1st gen is typically better made than future generations. This is because companies try to cut costs by using cheaper parts, etc... I mean the first iPhone, the first iPad, those things are solid.
I say this while typing on a 1st gen iPad that my 14 yo son has called less than a block of ice - I strenuously object! Yes strenuously. What 1st gen tech item is ever stable? If they had perfected it , they wouldn't need your money to continue development. What you say makes no sense.
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Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
They didn't say perfect. What he says makes total sense. Once a company has you, they generally try to cut costs to increase profit. Perfectly logical and Capitalistic.
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Here we are at the halfway point. My experience here at Kickstarter has been life changing. After banging my head against the walls of venture capitalism for almost three years, dealing with business experts who didn’t understand what we were trying to accomplish; rescue the art of recorded sound and make great music available into the future, I found you people. You are the ones who understand what this is. You have proven it with your amazing support.
When we blew through our goal and actually doubled it on the first day, you changed my life. I will never forget that. This is just the beginning of a long road towards our goal of rescuing the music, all of it, from Cab Calloway to Sinatra, the Beatles and Rolling Stones, to Nirvana and Patti Smith, to Jay Z and Rihanna, and beyond. All of this music is the world’s history, the cultural creations of artists since the beginning of recorded sound. Now it can be preserved, if we do our job right, for future generations to hear and feel, not just recognize.
We are working now with Rap and R&B music sources as well as Country Music and Classical, in an effort to show you how great all music can and will sound with PONO.
Thanks for your help. We are very grateful for it. Obviously we can’t do this without you.
So venture capitalists who make money with their money as a livelihood think this isn't a wise investment yet we've just handed a very rich man millions of our dollars when he obviously wouldn't simply out his own millions into it. One has to ask why? Now maybe venture capitalists are wrong as they sometimes are. But why wouldn't Neil and friends simply put some of their own millions into it and not even worry about kickstarter? Eddie, Dave, Dave, Neil, Portugal, et al couldn't garner up $5 mill amongst themselves if they believed in this so much? Too risky? Ha ha ha. This whole thing is a joke. Too funny.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
So venture capitalists who make money with their money as a livelihood think this isn't a wise investment yet we've just handed a very rich man millions of our dollars when he obviously wouldn't simply out his own millions into it. One has to ask why? Now maybe venture capitalists are wrong as they sometimes are. But why wouldn't Neil and friends simply put some of their own millions into it and not even worry about kickstarter? Eddie, Dave, Dave, Neil, Portugal, et al couldn't garner up $5 mill amongst themselves if they believed in this so much? Too risky? Ha ha ha. This whole thing is a joke. Too funny.
If they'd just dumped their own money into it instead hardly any of us would have even heard about it by now. Why wouldn't they launch a very effective marketing campaign that also brings millions into the business AND demostrates to future players and investors that there is a market AND makes customers feel like they are somehow involved in growing a new music platform? Seems pretty brilliant to me!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
So venture capitalists who make money with their money as a livelihood think this isn't a wise investment yet we've just handed a very rich man millions of our dollars when he obviously wouldn't simply out his own millions into it. One has to ask why? Now maybe venture capitalists are wrong as they sometimes are. But why wouldn't Neil and friends simply put some of their own millions into it and not even worry about kickstarter? Eddie, Dave, Dave, Neil, Portugal, et al couldn't garner up $5 mill amongst themselves if they believed in this so much? Too risky? Ha ha ha. This whole thing is a joke. Too funny.
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Seems like the shittiest deal on the site is all.
Other than Kenny Rogers that is.
I'm deliberating, but just not sure.
I hate my iPod with a passion for too many reasons to list and have been in the market for something different to play my music from. I'm just not sure if this is the move I need to make.
I think the good thing we've got going for us is that - even if Pono itself does not end up being a revolution in and of itself - with the millions raised, it's hopefully caught the eye of entrepreneurial folks in the industry who *DO* have the power help deliver a revolution and help end the loudness war. Hard to argue with $5mm.
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I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
It's really not that insane price wise. I am surprised they don't have bigger capacities considering the file sizes are going to be huger than MP3 quality files... but old ipods used to cost $300 for 20GB didn't they? So $400 for a limited edition object and top of the line sound quality (so claimed) seems like a reasonable, affordable price to me.
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And these apple products are killing me. Hope this Pono is all they say it cracked up to be.
"Hold me, and make it the truth,...
That when all is lost there will be you.
Cause to the universe I don't mean a thing
And there's just one word that I still believe and it's
Love.....love,love,love."
To someone's earlier point - nobody is getting stock in this via this vehicle. So, they have basically been able to raise more than their full nut just by sucking these artists' fans in. It's an interesting turn of events. I'm sure they expected that they'd need to go to some venture capital at some point (even if it's one of the "founders" companies that funded it). And, yet they've now successfully found a way to fund (more than?) the whole thing via this. Shark Tank would be proud of them.
Now have I seen this sort of thing done better on Kickstarter before? Oh yes. With this strategy Pono continues to bring in new money which works to a certain limited degree, but if they really had their act together, they'd come up with some creative stretch goals to get the folks who have already laid the coin down to invest more and develop a stronger bond with the product/service (i.e. if we reach X amount of dollars we'll include a THIRD album for those who pre-order a Pono, or we'll promise certain features of the music service people might really be interested in seeing, or we'll throw in some quality earbuds...just brainstorming, but you get my drift).
It'd be hard for the average joe to get away with Pono's strategy, you typically see frequent updates and new additions to the campaign in order to draw in this sort of money, but it appears to be working for Neil.
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16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
What 1st gen tech item is ever stable? If they had perfected it , they wouldn't need your money to continue development. What you say makes no sense.
Posted by the PonoMusic Team Black heart (cards) Like
Here we are at the halfway point. My experience here at Kickstarter has been life changing. After banging my head against the walls of venture capitalism for almost three years, dealing with business experts who didn’t understand what we were trying to accomplish; rescue the art of recorded sound and make great music available into the future, I found you people. You are the ones who understand what this is. You have proven it with your amazing support.
When we blew through our goal and actually doubled it on the first day, you changed my life. I will never forget that. This is just the beginning of a long road towards our goal of rescuing the music, all of it, from Cab Calloway to Sinatra, the Beatles and Rolling Stones, to Nirvana and Patti Smith, to Jay Z and Rihanna, and beyond. All of this music is the world’s history, the cultural creations of artists since the beginning of recorded sound. Now it can be preserved, if we do our job right, for future generations to hear and feel, not just recognize.
We are working now with Rap and R&B music sources as well as Country Music and Classical, in an effort to show you how great all music can and will sound with PONO.
Thanks for your help. We are very grateful for it. Obviously we can’t do this without you.
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But thinking about DMB still.
Nice to be 'in'. Now just need to figure out which 'artist version' I ultimately want given you can change your selection. Tough call.