Global warming

brianlux

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

No offense, BS, but I don't understand why you or anyone would argue against something the vast majority of scientists agree on. Sort of an exercise in futility, isn't it? Also, not a fun thing to have face up to but running from it will not change it not its consequences.


Will check out the link later, Smellyman. Gotta get to work.

Have you read my posts on here? I am not arguing against climate change. There is no doubt in my mind that man contributes to changes in climate. The only question is to what degree. The world has not warmed as we anticipated it would. You should look at that as good news as it certainly buys us more time to both properly study man's actions along with introducing smart energy policies.

Perhaps how much we disagree is only a matter of degrees, LOL.

Seriously though, I hope we do have more time to reduce our impact. The more of both the better.

brianlux

Nice going there, Rick! Hahaha!
Good show, Pope Francis!

brianlux

More recent news regarding global warming:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/06/05/climate-deniers-lose-another-argument-global-warming-pause-proved-false
Climate Deniers Lose Another Argument as Global Warming 'Pause' Proved False

In a revelation that deals a serious blow to the already-bogus claims of climate change deniers, top scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) declared this week that the so-called "hiatus" in global warming—some have called it a "Faux Pause"—was never a real thing.

But more importantly, the following article explains why this so-called "hiatus" was never really that big an issue in the first place- a slight variation in a warming trend that has been shown to real for several years now:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/06/noaa-temperature-record-updates-and-the-hiatus/#more-18571

(A bit long to post here but worth reading.)

BS44325

brianlux said:

More recent news regarding global warming:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/06/05/climate-deniers-lose-another-argument-global-warming-pause-proved-false
Climate Deniers Lose Another Argument as Global Warming 'Pause' Proved False

In a revelation that deals a serious blow to the already-bogus claims of climate change deniers, top scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) declared this week that the so-called "hiatus" in global warming—some have called it a "Faux Pause"—was never a real thing.

But more importantly, the following article explains why this so-called "hiatus" was never really that big an issue in the first place- a slight variation in a warming trend that has been shown to real for several years now:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/06/noaa-temperature-record-updates-and-the-hiatus/#more-18571

(A bit long to post here but worth reading.)

They totally distorted the original data to make this claim. It is scientific malpractice.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

brianlux

daily caller. Got it.

rgambs

I don't know about the adjusted temp measurement but I do know that Bob Tisdale is a JOKE. Pseudo science at it's finest.
This points out his most common trick, one that he uses often.

http://wottsupwiththat.com/2011/05/09/the-giss-divergence-problem-ocean-heat-content/

BS44325

brianlux said:

daily caller. Got it.

The NOAA altered the data to produce the results they wanted. This is undeniable and is absolutely unscientific. It also moves us further away from understanding to what extent man's actions affect climate.

brianlux

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

daily caller. Got it.

The NOAA altered the data to produce the results they wanted. This is undeniable and is absolutely unscientific. It also moves us further away from understanding to what extent man's actions affect climate.

You certainly are consistent and relentless, BS. Enjoy the nice warm weather this summer.

BS44325

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

daily caller. Got it.

The NOAA altered the data to produce the results they wanted. This is undeniable and is absolutely unscientific. It also moves us further away from understanding to what extent man's actions affect climate.

You certainly are consistent and relentless, BS. Enjoy the nice warm weather this summer.

I'm hoping for it. Heading out to Winnipeg Beach soon where it looks like it has finally warmed up.

brianlux

I'm actually very tempted to be done with this subject and any other related to environment. Having been out to the coast a number of times this years and up in the high Sierra, talking to others in various places, reading stacks of well researched books on various environmental subjects, personally knowing some very astute scientists, using my sense of observation over the last several decades, seeing how polluted the west coast has become (ubiquitous filthy air, dirt and haze observed far off shore and all the way back to home at 2000 ft elevation)... I'm losing most of my faith that we will dodge environmental collapse. I don't like being a downer but I'm just saying what I can only conclude as a logical deduction of information and personal experience. Any of you here who have known me for a while know I would not say these things flippantly or lightly. Give me one good reason to have an ounce of hope and I might pursue this more. Otherwise, I don't see the point anymore. It's been interesting.

callen

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

daily caller. Got it.

The NOAA altered the data to produce the results they wanted. This is undeniable and is absolutely unscientific. It also moves us further away from understanding to what extent man's actions affect climate.

You certainly are consistent and relentless, BS. Enjoy the nice warm weather this summer.

I'm hoping for it. Heading out to Winnipeg Beach soon where it looks like it has finally warmed up.

Bring you butt to Houston in August and you'll change your tune. Guaranteed. Ha.

polaris_x

if big oil admitting to global warming isn't enough for you skeptics ... then the fact they are asking for a carbon tax should ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/big-oil-to-rachel-notley-bring-on-a-carbon-tax-1.3084357

brianlux

polaris_x said:

if big oil admitting to global warming isn't enough for you skeptics ... then the fact they are asking for a carbon tax should ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/big-oil-to-rachel-notley-bring-on-a-carbon-tax-1.3084357

Other oil execs have talked about the realities of global warming in past as well. I don't have any links right off hand but I know this has come up before.

I'm not sure why anyone plays skeptic on this any more. Is it just a game? I don't know.

rgambs

brianlux said:

polaris_x said:

if big oil admitting to global warming isn't enough for you skeptics ... then the fact they are asking for a carbon tax should ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/big-oil-to-rachel-notley-bring-on-a-carbon-tax-1.3084357

Other oil execs have talked about the realities of global warming in past as well. I don't have any links right off hand but I know this has come up before.

I'm not sure why anyone plays skeptic on this any more. Is it just a game? I don't know.

It's a revolt against liberal mindsets. They can't give on any kind of environmentalism, then they might have to look at evolution and give reason and science a fair shake. They can't give an inch. If liberals drenched their ideals in platitudes about freedom conservatives would turn to abhorinf freedom.

callen

brianlux said:

polaris_x said:

if big oil admitting to global warming isn't enough for you skeptics ... then the fact they are asking for a carbon tax should ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/big-oil-to-rachel-notley-bring-on-a-carbon-tax-1.3084357

Other oil execs have talked about the realities of global warming in past as well. I don't have any links right off hand but I know this has come up before.

I'm not sure why anyone plays skeptic on this any more. Is it just a game? I don't know.

Justification. Human nature.

As to oil companies, some may be dabbling more in natural gas so supporting carbon tax giving competitive advantage. Follow the money.

callen

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

polaris_x said:

if big oil admitting to global warming isn't enough for you skeptics ... then the fact they are asking for a carbon tax should ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/big-oil-to-rachel-notley-bring-on-a-carbon-tax-1.3084357

Other oil execs have talked about the realities of global warming in past as well. I don't have any links right off hand but I know this has come up before.

I'm not sure why anyone plays skeptic on this any more. Is it just a game? I don't know.

It's a revolt against liberal mindsets. They can't give on any kind of environmentalism, then they might have to look at evolution and give reason and science a fair shake. They can't give an inch. If liberals drenched their ideals in platitudes about freedom conservatives would turn to abhorinf freedom.

True true.

Think many are intimidated by smarts so gravitate towards simplistic animal instinctual messages used by smart corporate propagandists to further their agendas.

JimmyV

Not gonna lie...this is terrifying.

Polar bears are now eating dolphins lured north by warming water.

Scientists for the first time observed the bears feasting on white-beaked dolphins in Svalbard in the Norwegian Arctic. They theorize the dolphins, coaxed northward by warmer waters, were trapped under the ice and killed by the bears when coming up for air through a small hole, they wrote in a new study.

“This is the first record of this species as polar bear prey,” the authors led by the Norwegian Polar Institute’s Jon Aars said in the paper published this month in the Polar Research journal. “The warming of the Arctic is significantly changing the ecosystem and relations between species.”

Climate change is rendering increasing areas of the Arctic ice-free during summer months. While the dolphins often visit Svalbard in warmer months, they haven’t been reported that far north in early spring. The researchers observed seven more dolphin carcasses near the area in the following months.

One of the bears was so skinny his ribs were visible through the fur, they said. After the bear had eaten one dolphin, it covered up another with snow to save for later.

As the Arctic warms amid changing climate and ice sheets thin, dolphins could become a more regular meal. For the bears, that’s good news as access to their more usual food supply, seals, may further decline because of the milder weather.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-12/polar-bears-now-eating-dolphins-as-world-waters-warm

callen

Jimmy , evolution. Yes we are a part of evolution. Oh how the world will be different in a thousand years. Mans dominance of species will change the earth dramatically in such a short period of time.

But let's fuck and have 20 fucking miracle babies. Not sure how many Duggars there are if my count is off.

brianlux

JimmyV said:

Not gonna lie...this is terrifying.

Polar bears are now eating dolphins lured north by warming water.

Scientists for the first time observed the bears feasting on white-beaked dolphins in Svalbard in the Norwegian Arctic. They theorize the dolphins, coaxed northward by warmer waters, were trapped under the ice and killed by the bears when coming up for air through a small hole, they wrote in a new study.

“This is the first record of this species as polar bear prey,” the authors led by the Norwegian Polar Institute’s Jon Aars said in the paper published this month in the Polar Research journal. “The warming of the Arctic is significantly changing the ecosystem and relations between species.”

Climate change is rendering increasing areas of the Arctic ice-free during summer months. While the dolphins often visit Svalbard in warmer months, they haven’t been reported that far north in early spring. The researchers observed seven more dolphin carcasses near the area in the following months.

One of the bears was so skinny his ribs were visible through the fur, they said. After the bear had eaten one dolphin, it covered up another with snow to save for later.

As the Arctic warms amid changing climate and ice sheets thin, dolphins could become a more regular meal. For the bears, that’s good news as access to their more usual food supply, seals, may further decline because of the milder weather.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-12/polar-bears-now-eating-dolphins-as-world-waters-warm

I would say this is just the "tip of the iceberg" but, of course, that saying will soon become antiquated. These biological/environmental changes we are seeing now are just the beginning. We have irreversibly changed the world (which Bill McKibben refers to now as "Eaarth") to our own and other species detriment. We let go our chance to stop anthropogenic global warming. Now humans will have to adapt and very likely will do so in much fewer numbers.

Callen, fucking is good. Fucking and having a baby may be a normal human instinct (and I have very good friends who have chosen to do so and have no problem with that because we need some good human parents to keep us going and I celebrate those births and wish them all the best) but at this point having more than one or maybe two at most is probably not such a good idea. I chose the nice round number of zero myself and helped raise a few nephews instead. That was a cool parenting experience. I hope more people who get the urge to be parents will explore options like limiting to one scratch baby and adopt the rest.

PJfanwillneverleave1

I simply refuse to believe that humans have caused global warming.
I further state that any human who is lucky enough to experience life should pass on the favour.
One, two, three, twenty, - whatever amount you as a human want to produce just fucking do it.
The world is over in 7billion years.