Global warming

BS44325

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

Wow! Talk about some unpleasant effects from global warming!

http://news.yahoo.com/intolerable-unimaginable-heat-forecast-persian-gulf-162008639.html

An intolerable unimaginable heat forecast for Persian Gulf

"WASHINGTON (AP) — If carbon dioxide emissions continue at their current pace, by the end of century parts of the Persian Gulf will sometimes be just too hot for the human body to tolerate, a new study says.

How hot? The heat index — which combines heat and humidity — may hit 165 to 170 degrees (74 to 77 Celsius) for at least six hours, according to numerous computer simulations in the new study. That's so hot that the human body can't get rid of heat. The elderly and ill are hurt most by current heat waves, but the future is expected to be so hot that healthy, fit people would be endangered, health experts say.

"You can go to a wet sauna and put the temperature up to 35 (Celsius or 95 degrees Fahrenheit) or so. You can bear it for a while, now think of that at an extended exposure" of six or more hours, said study co-author Elfatih Eltahir, an MIT environmental engineering professor.

While humans have been around, Earth has not seen that type of prolonged, oppressive combination of heat and humidity, Eltahir said. But with the unique geography and climate of the Persian Gulf and increased warming projected if heat-trapping gas emissions continue to rise at current rates, it will happen every decade or so by the end of the century, according to the study published Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

This would be the type of heat that would make deadly heat wave in Europe in 2003 that killed more than 70,000 people "look like a refreshing day or event," said study co-author Jeremy Pal of Loyola Marymount University

It would still be rare, and cities such as Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Doha wouldn't quite be uninhabitable, thanks to air conditioning. But for people living and working outside or those with no air conditioning, it would be intolerable, said Eltahir and Pal. While Mecca won't be quite as hot, the heat will likely still cause many deaths during the annual hajj pilgrimage, Eltahir said.

"Some of the scariest prospects from a changing clime involve conditions completely outside the range of human experience," Carnegie Institute for Science climate researcher Chris Field, who wasn't part of the study, wrote in an email. "If we don't limit climate change to avoid extreme heat or mugginess, the people in these regions will likely need to find other places to live."

Said Dr. Howard Frumkin, dean of the University of Washington school of public health, who wasn't part of the research: "When the ambient temperatures are extremely high, as projected in this paper, then exposed people can and do die. The implication s of this paper for the Gulf region are frightening."

But if the world limits future heat-trapping gas emissions — even close to the amount pledged recently by countries around the world ahead of climate talks later this year in Paris — that intolerable level of heat can be avoided, Eltahir said."

David Roberts, a self-described climate hawk, explains why you probably shouldn't worry:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/23/9604120/climate-models-uncertainty

If this guy can recognize the uncertainty in the models maybe we all should.

I'm not worried for me, I'll probably be dead before the shit hits the fan. But I am concerned for my kids and their kids. These climate denials have been addressed here already. I knew I should have let this pass.

David Roberts believes we are doomed. He just has a problem with some of the models.
http://grist.org/climate-change/climate-change-is-simple-we-do-something-or-were-screwed/

Exactly. Roberts is the furthest thing from a denier. He has slowly come to the realization though that the models are wrong.

brianlux

BS44325 said:

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

Wow! Talk about some unpleasant effects from global warming!

http://news.yahoo.com/intolerable-unimaginable-heat-forecast-persian-gulf-162008639.html

An intolerable unimaginable heat forecast for Persian Gulf

"WASHINGTON (AP) — If carbon dioxide emissions continue at their current pace, by the end of century parts of the Persian Gulf will sometimes be just too hot for the human body to tolerate, a new study says.

How hot? The heat index — which combines heat and humidity — may hit 165 to 170 degrees (74 to 77 Celsius) for at least six hours, according to numerous computer simulations in the new study. That's so hot that the human body can't get rid of heat. The elderly and ill are hurt most by current heat waves, but the future is expected to be so hot that healthy, fit people would be endangered, health experts say.

"You can go to a wet sauna and put the temperature up to 35 (Celsius or 95 degrees Fahrenheit) or so. You can bear it for a while, now think of that at an extended exposure" of six or more hours, said study co-author Elfatih Eltahir, an MIT environmental engineering professor.

While humans have been around, Earth has not seen that type of prolonged, oppressive combination of heat and humidity, Eltahir said. But with the unique geography and climate of the Persian Gulf and increased warming projected if heat-trapping gas emissions continue to rise at current rates, it will happen every decade or so by the end of the century, according to the study published Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

This would be the type of heat that would make deadly heat wave in Europe in 2003 that killed more than 70,000 people "look like a refreshing day or event," said study co-author Jeremy Pal of Loyola Marymount University

It would still be rare, and cities such as Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Doha wouldn't quite be uninhabitable, thanks to air conditioning. But for people living and working outside or those with no air conditioning, it would be intolerable, said Eltahir and Pal. While Mecca won't be quite as hot, the heat will likely still cause many deaths during the annual hajj pilgrimage, Eltahir said.

"Some of the scariest prospects from a changing clime involve conditions completely outside the range of human experience," Carnegie Institute for Science climate researcher Chris Field, who wasn't part of the study, wrote in an email. "If we don't limit climate change to avoid extreme heat or mugginess, the people in these regions will likely need to find other places to live."

Said Dr. Howard Frumkin, dean of the University of Washington school of public health, who wasn't part of the research: "When the ambient temperatures are extremely high, as projected in this paper, then exposed people can and do die. The implication s of this paper for the Gulf region are frightening."

But if the world limits future heat-trapping gas emissions — even close to the amount pledged recently by countries around the world ahead of climate talks later this year in Paris — that intolerable level of heat can be avoided, Eltahir said."

David Roberts, a self-described climate hawk, explains why you probably shouldn't worry:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/23/9604120/climate-models-uncertainty

If this guy can recognize the uncertainty in the models maybe we all should.

I'm not worried for me, I'll probably be dead before the shit hits the fan. But I am concerned for my kids and their kids. These climate denials have been addressed here already. I knew I should have let this pass.

David Roberts believes we are doomed. He just has a problem with some of the models.
http://grist.org/climate-change/climate-change-is-simple-we-do-something-or-were-screwed/

Exactly. Roberts is the furthest thing from a denier. He has slowly come to the realization though that the models are wrong.

If you check out realclimate.org (definitely one of the best places to look for solid scientific research on climate) you'll notice scientists often agree that the models have a margin of error. After following this stuff for about 25 years it looks to me like global warming is occurring faster and more strongly than was predicted. In fact, I'll go as far as to say this is the broadly accepted view point.

But the bottom line is the time to argue over the details is long gone. What is needed now is fast action to slow the warming, a concentrated effort to slow population growth, and to take some time to make reasonable personal preparations help your kids plan for how best to deal with these changes. I'm not saying we should live in fear or be overly obsessed with this, but rather use common sense and do what makes the most sense.

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/11/03/new-study-finds-antarctic-ice-growing-countering-earlier-studies.html?intcmp=hpbt3

new studies from Nasa

Godfather.

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/11/03/new-study-finds-antarctic-ice-growing-countering-earlier-studies.html?intcmp=hpbt3

new studies from Nasa

Godfather.

http://www.nasa.gov/jpl/news/antarctic-ice-sheet-20140512/#.Vjk1bYEo7qA

mickeyrat

Read that gf.^^^^^

PJfanwillneverleave1

Never was quite convinced that this global warming was human driven.
I read this article awhile ago. Resonates with me.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140411153453.htm

mickeyrat

Driven? Prob not.
Significant contributor? Absolutely.

brianlux

The vast majority of published scientists are going with the "anthropogenic global warming" scenario, not for political reasons, or because they are being dramatic or pessimistic but because they are scientists doing science. That simple.

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

Read that gf.

the link would not come up I'll try again soon.

Godfather.

polaris_x

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Never was quite convinced that this global warming was human driven.
I read this article awhile ago. Resonates with me.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140411153453.htm

Did you read the article? Did you understand the article? I think not based on your skepticism that global warming is not human driven.

Godfather.

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

rgambs

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

Bacteria changed our climate. Forests changed our climate.
Why not humans?
What makes you doubt it? A guy feeling? A guess?

Science is a little more reliable.

Godfather.

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

Bacteria changed our climate. Forests changed our climate.
Why not humans?
What makes you doubt it? A guy feeling? A guess?

Science is a little more reliable.

without doubt an uneducated opinion I admit, I just look at climate patters starting before the industrial age and see nothing that has not happened naturally, storms, hurricanes, earthquakes, flooding it was just as severe back then as it is now but air pollution is nasty side effect of man's progress thru the years but I just don't think it has been nasty enough to change the climate...remember that's just my opinion.

Godfather.

eddiec

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

Godfather.

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

thank goodness for Hostess and little Debbie ! lol !

Godfather.

brianlux

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

First we'll eat all the mammals, then all the birds and then the reptiles and then the bugs and then the microbes, head lice and then...

Godfather. said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

thank goodness for Hostess and little Debbie ! lol !

Godfather.

... and then AND ONLY THEN, Godfather, are you allowed to have your Hostess and Little Debbie treats... and not a minute sooner!

Godfather.

brianlux said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

First we'll eat all the mammals, then all the birds and then the reptiles and then the bugs and then the microbes, head lice and then...

Godfather. said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

thank goodness for Hostess and little Debbie ! lol !

Godfather.

... and then AND ONLY THEN, Godfather, are you allowed to have your Hostess and Little Debbie treats... and not a minute sooner!

HAHHAHHAHHA I will wait patiently my friend.....I'll save you one.

Godfather.

brianlux

Godfather. said:

brianlux said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

First we'll eat all the mammals, then all the birds and then the reptiles and then the bugs and then the microbes, head lice and then...

Godfather. said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

It's not that hard to change the climate. You know the whole Paleo diet craze? If the population of the US all went Paleo we would use up planetary resources (especially fresh water) and it would directly impact climate change. This planet would not survive 50 years if the whole world went Paleo. And that is from a diet that encourages eating only meat and vegetables just like we did when we were hunter-gatherers.

thank goodness for Hostess and little Debbie ! lol !

Godfather.

... and then AND ONLY THEN, Godfather, are you allowed to have your Hostess and Little Debbie treats... and not a minute sooner!

HAHHAHHAHHA I will wait patiently my friend.....I'll save you one.

Godfather.

Haha!

Smellyman

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

Bacteria changed our climate. Forests changed our climate.
Why not humans?
What makes you doubt it? A guy feeling? A guess?

Science is a little more reliable.

without doubt an uneducated opinion I admit, I just look at climate patters starting before the industrial age and see nothing that has not happened naturally, storms, hurricanes, earthquakes, flooding it was just as severe back then as it is now but air pollution is nasty side effect of man's progress thru the years but I just don't think it has been nasty enough to change the climate...remember that's just my opinion.

Godfather.

Who needs stupid Book Learnin? I just open my window. It's nice out today.

Godfather.

Smellyman said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

people also talk about the vast size of the universe and with all that space there must be someone else out there...I don't believe climate change is man driven either, not to say we haven't made a mess for sure but as far changing our climate I doubt it.

Godfather.

Bacteria changed our climate. Forests changed our climate.
Why not humans?
What makes you doubt it? A guy feeling? A guess?

Science is a little more reliable.

without doubt an uneducated opinion I admit, I just look at climate patters starting before the industrial age and see nothing that has not happened naturally, storms, hurricanes, earthquakes, flooding it was just as severe back then as it is now but air pollution is nasty side effect of man's progress thru the years but I just don't think it has been nasty enough to change the climate...remember that's just my opinion.

Godfather.

Who needs stupid Book Learnin? I just open my window. It's nice out today.

is there a book that gives 100% proof positive information that pollution has caused El Niño and other natural disasters ? as far as I know it's all theory created by some politician and his followers(for the money)....what's his name....Gore right ?

Godfather.