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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    A major hunters’ group has its back up after Engie, a wind energy company big in Southwestern Ontario, asked landowners with its turbines to ban hunting on their turf

    http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2016/08/07/a-major-hunters-group-has-its-back-up-after-engie-a-wind-energy-company-big-in-southwestern-ontario-asked-landowners-with-its-turbines-to-ban-hunting-on-their-turf

    Interesting...not good if you hunt in southern Ontario ...
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Area Residents Claim Wind Turbines Compromise Well Water

    https://blackburnnews.com/sarnia/sarnia-news/2016/06/29/association-claims-wind-turbines-compromise-well-water/

    Probably just a bunch of crazies...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    New wind turbines without blades being developed- far less harm to birds, less noise. Described here as "a bladeless wind turbine that looks like a giant rolled joint shooting into the sky", haha!

    http://www.wired.com/2015/05/future-wind-turbines-no-blades/

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 said:

    Area Residents Claim Wind Turbines Compromise Well Water

    https://blackburnnews.com/sarnia/sarnia-news/2016/06/29/association-claims-wind-turbines-compromise-well-water/

    Probably just a bunch of crazies...

    ... c'mon guy ... did you even read the article? ... of all places too ... home of massive oil refineries and chemical plants ... people complaining about the temporary impacts of wind turbine construction vs. the impacts those industries have had on human health!?
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Area Residents Claim Wind Turbines Compromise Well Water

    https://blackburnnews.com/sarnia/sarnia-news/2016/06/29/association-claims-wind-turbines-compromise-well-water/

    Probably just a bunch of crazies...

    ... c'mon guy ... did you even read the article? ... of all places too ... home of massive oil refineries and chemical plants ... people complaining about the temporary impacts of wind turbine construction vs. the impacts those industries have had on human health!?
    Actually I did, and Chatham Kent is not full of refineries ...

    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Lack Of Power Forces Greenhouse Expansion Into US

    https://blackburnnews.com/windsor/windsor-news/2016/06/29/lack-power-pushing-greenhouses/

    Are these windmills not capable of producing the type of power needed to power large greenhouse operations ... I mean our government that was elected to in 2003 set out to overhaul the grid and now business are lost to the us due to lack of hydro capabilities. Seems to me if this is true we've taken a step back in Ontario.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 said:

    polaris_x said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Area Residents Claim Wind Turbines Compromise Well Water

    https://blackburnnews.com/sarnia/sarnia-news/2016/06/29/association-claims-wind-turbines-compromise-well-water/

    Probably just a bunch of crazies...

    ... c'mon guy ... did you even read the article? ... of all places too ... home of massive oil refineries and chemical plants ... people complaining about the temporary impacts of wind turbine construction vs. the impacts those industries have had on human health!?
    Actually I did, and Chatham Kent is not full of refineries ...

    it said lambton and chatham-kent ...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited August 2016
    brianlux said:

    New wind turbines without blades being developed- far less harm to birds, less noise. Described here as "a bladeless wind turbine that looks like a giant rolled joint shooting into the sky", haha!

    http://www.wired.com/2015/05/future-wind-turbines-no-blades/

    Gigantic Dysons that look like joints out in fields. I like it. :)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    6 dead and many people displaced and who've lost all their life's possessions ... and we're talking about subsidies for renewables ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Edward Abbey once commented that you don't necessarily have to do a lot o studying to realize the environment is being screwed up. Just get outside. Go out and look around.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited August 2016
    polaris_x said:

    6 dead and many people displaced and who've lost all their life's possessions ... and we're talking about subsidies for renewables ...

    Do you think all conversation about renewable energy should be abandoned until there is peace on Earth??
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    6 dead and many people displaced and who've lost all their life's possessions ... and we're talking about subsidies for renewables ...

    Do you think all conversation about renewable energy should be abandoned until there is peace on Earth??
    no ... that wasn't the meaning behind my post ... it's just that the consequences of global warming are right in front of our face resulting in significant suffering ... yet (on another thread) people are griping about the subsidies wind farms are getting ... it's absolutely ridiculous ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    6 dead and many people displaced and who've lost all their life's possessions ... and we're talking about subsidies for renewables ...

    Do you think all conversation about renewable energy should be abandoned until there is peace on Earth??
    no ... that wasn't the meaning behind my post ... it's just that the consequences of global warming are right in front of our face resulting in significant suffering ... yet (on another thread) people are griping about the subsidies wind farms are getting ... it's absolutely ridiculous ...
    That's the American view of economics. Unless one is talking about economics the way, for example, Bill McKibben does in his book Deep Economy, economics is purely a money matter bast of GNP. An economy based solely on production has no concern for the impact on resources or sustainability or a viable future for large mammals.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited August 2016
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    6 dead and many people displaced and who've lost all their life's possessions ... and we're talking about subsidies for renewables ...

    Do you think all conversation about renewable energy should be abandoned until there is peace on Earth??
    no ... that wasn't the meaning behind my post ... it's just that the consequences of global warming are right in front of our face resulting in significant suffering ... yet (on another thread) people are griping about the subsidies wind farms are getting ... it's absolutely ridiculous ...
    I see. I agree that's absolutely ridiculous. And I agree with what Brian said about how a lot of people view the economy in the US.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    A relevant email from Bill McKibben today reads:

    Dear Friends,

    [1][IMG]Every once in a while I write something that seems worth sharing.
    Four years ago it was an essay in Rolling Stone about the new math of
    global warming that helped trigger the divestment movement. [2]Today it's
    a piece in The New Republic about the war--the literal war--that global
    warming has become.

    We're used to metaphors: the war on drugs, the war on poverty. But in this
    case carbon and methane--without malice but also without mercy--are waging
    a war on the civilization that emitted them. This year we've lost huge
    swaths of the world's coral; vast sheets of ice disappear daily. Our
    adversary is taking territory and taking lives.

    So what would it mean to fight back? Most of the piece is devoted to that
    possibility: thanks to the engineers who have driven down the cost of
    renewables, we're at the first moment where that's a possibility. If we
    wanted to, we could--as a world--replicate the industrial miracle that won
    World War II. Instead of bombers we'd build turbine blades; in place of
    planes, solar panels. The reporting in the piece shows that putting up
    enough renewables to get us back on the path to 350 parts per million is
    possible--barely.

    Thanks to researchers like Stanford's Mark Jacobson, there's a plan for
    every state and most nations; the question is, can we build for the future
    with as much commitment as we once built for war? The answer to that
    question is in our hands.

    [3]I hope you'll read and share this piece while this odd election season
    drags on; please share it with your friends and family and Facebook crew
    so that we can build the peaceful army we badly need.

    By winter, our movement will be pushing harder than ever. Not just for
    change but for change on the scale we need.

    Onward,

    Bill McKibben for 350.org

    P.S. If you want a sense of what this war looks like today, here are
    [4]some pictures from Louisiana where completely unprecedented flooding
    has now killed 7 and forced 20,000 rescues from homes, cars, and
    hospitals. As in any war, we need to take care of the people being
    impacted: [5]relief efforts can be directed here. And Louisiana is not the
    only place. We're also thinking of our colleagues in sprawling Manila
    today, where flooding has also claimed lives and left thousands in
    evacuation centers. On a more hopeful note, brave fighters in North Dakota
    are taking a remarkable stand right now against a new pipeline planned for
    the edge of the Standing Rock Sioux reservation.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    lukin2006 said:

    Well it happening in Europe and the States.

    This is most definitely not happening in the US.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited August 2016
    It's encouraging to me that generally we are less and less global warming denial so this brief video will come as no surprise to most but I found it worth posting here. Physicist Brian Cox is one smart fellow:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-16/professor-brian-cox-vs.-senator-malcolm-roberts/7746576

    Oh, and thank you CF for bringing this to my attention!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Cliffy6745 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Well it happening in Europe and the States.

    This is most definitely not happening in the US.
    ?????
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    polaris_x said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Well it happening in Europe and the States.

    This is most definitely not happening in the US.
    ?????
    Lukin said "uncontolled refugees and immigration" is happening in the states. It is not
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Cliffy6745 said:

    polaris_x said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Well it happening in Europe and the States.

    This is most definitely not happening in the US.
    ?????
    Lukin said "uncontolled refugees and immigration" is happening in the states. It is not
    oh ... thought we were talking global warming ... sorry - carry on ...

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