Duck Dynasty Debate

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A&E has suspended Duck dynasty patriarch Phil Roberstson for anti gay remarks he made. He said "it seems like, to me, a vagina -as a man- would be more desirable than a man's anus. That's just me. I'm just thinking: Tjeres more there! She's got more to offer. I mean, come on dudes. You know what I'm saying?"

As ignorant as I think these comments are, this guy has the right to think them and say them. I guess A&E has the right to suspend him as well. Which brings me to my question, who actually owns the show? Its a reality show. Does the camera crew not shoot him for a month? Or does he just get edited out of the show for a while??

A&E doesn't have the balls to cancel the show due to its 11.8 million viewers. Seems a bit hypocritical to just suspend the guy if you don't want to be associated with anti gay remarks. But then again, should the show get cancelled because the guy is exercising his freedom of speech?

the entire statement can be found here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... 9736.story

Cosmo

Last-12-Exit wrote:

A&E has suspended Duck dynasty patriarch Phil Roberstson for anti gay remarks he made. He said "it seems like, to me, a vagina -as a man- would be more desirable than a man's anus. That's just me. I'm just thinking: Tjeres more there! She's got more to offer. I mean, come on dudes. You know what I'm saying?"

As ignorant as I think these comments are, this guy has the right to think them and say them. I guess A&E has the right to suspend him as well. Which brings me to my question, who actually owns the show? Its a reality show. Does the camera crew not shoot him for a month? Or does he just get edited out of the show for a while??

A&E doesn't have the balls to cancel the show due to its 11.8 million viewers. Seems a bit hypocritical to just suspend the guy if you don't want to be associated with anti gay remarks. But then again, should the show get cancelled because the guy is exercising his freedom of speech?

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A&E pays him... he is basically an employee. But, he is also a spokesman of the television show that A&E pays for.
Ther First Amendment only applies to the Government restricting our expressed opinions. It does not apply to individuals or employers taking actions on other individuals or employees.

gimmesometruth27

was he asked one of them pesky "gotcha" questions??


the interviewer gave the guy a little rope, and he hanged himself.

end of story.

gimmesometruth27

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Thats very funny and very true.

brianlux

"a vagina -as a man" That would be interesting to see. Very interesting. :wtf:

CAVSTARR313

I dont see how the comment is anti-gay..??

Pro-vagina maybe.. but not anti-gay..

He never said its wrong or bad to be gay.. he just said he likes girls..

so the dude likes vagina more than male butts.. what is the big deal?

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that wasn't his entire statement. that can be found here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... 9736.story

CAVSTARR313

Last-12-Exit wrote:

that wasn't his entire statement. that can be found here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... 9736.story

Well fuck man!!!

I thought that was all the dude said..

You really put me out there with my pants around my ankles..

Ya, he is anti-gay.. I retract my previous statement..

I respect his rights, I dont agree, and his bosses should be allowed to do whatever they like with him..

gimmesometruth27

Caveeze wrote:

I dont see how the comment is anti-gay..??

Pro-vagina maybe.. but not anti-gay..

He never said its wrong or bad to be gay.. he just said he likes girls..

so the dude likes vagina more than male butts.. what is the big deal?

hey i'm pro vagina, but i am pro gay rights too. i am all for human rights for everyone.

but when the main face of a corporate entity talks like this, that corporation has a duty to act or it will face a pr nightmare that they might not recover from. i am thinking it is not just the quotes on gays and lesbians, but he insulted muslims, and any group of people that are not christian as well.

Phil on sin:
“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

Phil on letting God do the judging:
“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Phil on what happens to society without Jesus:
“All you have to do is look at any society where there is no Jesus. I’ll give you four: Nazis, no Jesus. Look at their record. Uh, Shintos? They started this thing in Pearl Harbor. Any Jesus among them? None. Communists? None. Islamists? Zero. That’s eighty years of ideologies that have popped up where no Jesus was allowed among those four groups. Just look at the records as far as murder goes among those four groups.”

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Caveeze wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

that wasn't his entire statement. that can be found here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertain ... 9736.story

Well fuck man!!!

I thought that was all the dude said..

You really put me out there with my pants around my ankles..

Ya, he is anti-gay.. I retract my previous statement..

I respect his rights, I dont agree, and his bosses should be allowed to do whatever they like with him..

sorry, I should have posted the link in the first post.

CAVSTARR313

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Caveeze wrote:

I dont see how the comment is anti-gay..??

Pro-vagina maybe.. but not anti-gay..

He never said its wrong or bad to be gay.. he just said he likes girls..

so the dude likes vagina more than male butts.. what is the big deal?

hey i'm pro vagina, but i am pro gay rights too. i am all for human rights for everyone.

but when the main face of a corporate entity talks like this, that corporation has a duty to act or it will face a pr nightmare that they might not recover from. i am thinking it is not just the quotes on gays and lesbians, but he insulted muslims, and any group of people that are not christian as well.

Phil on sin:
“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

Phil on letting God do the judging:
“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Phil on what happens to society without Jesus:
“All you have to do is look at any society where there is no Jesus. I’ll give you four: Nazis, no Jesus. Look at their record. Uh, Shintos? They started this thing in Pearl Harbor. Any Jesus among them? None. Communists? None. Islamists? Zero. That’s eighty years of ideologies that have popped up where no Jesus was allowed among those four groups. Just look at the records as far as murder goes among those four groups.”

Ya see.. I didnt know all of that before I opened my mouth.. I dont watch the stupid show and have no interest in its characters

gimmesometruth27

Caveeze wrote:

Ya see.. I didnt know all of that before I opened my mouth.. I dont watch the stupid show and have no interest in its characters

sorry man, i was posting that after you had already read some of the stuff and i could not go back and delete that post.

i am like you, i have no interest in it either.

Cosmo

Personally, i really don't give a shit either way about this guy... because, seriously... that's exactly what I would expect that from him. They are basically, the Hillbilly Kardashians. I don't give a fuuuuck what the Kardashians have to say... and the same applies to them.

unsung

I don't have tv so I've never seen the show, my only comment is that I find it extremely disturbing that this is what it takes to get people in an uproar. A comment from a reality tv guy.

Don't let the real stuff like NDAA, the federal reserve, NSA, patriot act, TSA, politicians not upholding their oaths, runaway spending, and reckless monetary policy bother you. That stuff would make people actually think, and I firmly believe most people want to be dumb.

Prince Of Dorkness

If you can be fired for being gay... you can get suspended for embarrassing your employer and being a sexist, racist, homophobic asshole.

Sucks, doesn't it?

unsung

The market works.

gimmesometruth27

unsung wrote:

I don't have tv so I've never seen the show, my only comment is that I find it extremely disturbing that this is what it takes to get people in an uproar. A comment from a reality tv guy.

Don't let the real stuff like NDAA, the federal reserve, NSA, patriot act, TSA, politicians not upholding their oaths, runaway spending, and reckless monetary policy bother you. That stuff would make people actually think, and I firmly believe most people want to be dumb.

you give people too much credit. they are too lazy to read news or investigate further on their own so they tune into the redneck, jesus, huntin' half hour to distract them from how bad they are being cornholed by the system.

unsung

But does it matter when they don't actually know that they are being distracted?

ldent42

I really think it's being blown out of proportion. I don't get why anyone would be surprised that he made those comments. I watch the show and it's pretty obvious that Phil has some opinions about the way things are "supposed" to be that not everyone will agree with. I think the amount of media attention the story is getting is silly, but the network suspending him is just ridiculous.

And just for the record, I don't agree with his statement.

gimmesometruth27

maybe if he prays about it the network heads will change their mind.

this is about money, advertising, and sponsorships.

nothing more.

the network is always, always, going to look out for its bottom line. nothing worse than having a network that people don't watch.