I don't think Cosmo was implying you don't deserve what you get, rather that there is a stack of applications in your boss's desk saying there are many who want it, and will, perhaps, do it for less. Because they are probably less qualified than you is why you get to stay. Same with just about every other job in the world.
i'm pretty sure there are hundreds of applicants in China who would love that job at half the salary ...
Certain, are you? Well I'm not divulging my personal information.
I will say that I am highly trained in a sector that the safety of the public is dependent on my diagnostic skills. We have oversight from a multitude of federal agencies. I am subject to FBI background checks on a continual basis, scrutinized by federal departments that verify my qualifications, subject to continual drug testing, psychological exams, interviews by people that are paid to find character flaws, and subject to search at any time while on company property by an armed security force.
You want to farm that out to the lowest bidder? Good luck.
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Thanx for that.
Now, I'm wondering what is the criteria for your pay? I'm guessing that you are not the only person working at your company in that position, correct? And are you at the top of your salary grade level... or somewhere in the middle? Can't your employer find someone to replace you? Who sets the standard for your salary?
If the entire market of the job you do decides they can find people to do the same thing as you do... can't they set the market salary grade to whatever they want?
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Also, off the record... I do find it a bit interesting for a person who is so against government regulation, oversight and intrusions into their personal liberties would deliberately place themselves in to a position that exposes them to these impositions... by their own free will. Don't you?
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Certain, are you? Well I'm not divulging my personal information.
I will say that I am highly trained in a sector that the safety of the public is dependent on my diagnostic skills. We have oversight from a multitude of federal agencies. I am subject to FBI background checks on a continual basis, scrutinized by federal departments that verify my qualifications, subject to continual drug testing, psychological exams, interviews by people that are paid to find character flaws, and subject to search at any time while on company property by an armed security force.
You want to farm that out to the lowest bidder? Good luck.
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Thanx for that.
Now, I'm wondering what is the criteria for your pay? I'm guessing that you are not the only person working at your company in that position, correct? And are you at the top of your salary grade level... or somewhere in the middle? Can't your employer find someone to replace you? Who sets the standard for your salary?
If the entire market of the job you do decides they can find people to do the same thing as you do... can't they set the market salary grade to whatever they want?
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Also, off the record... I do find it a bit interesting for a person who is so against government regulation, oversight and intrusions into their personal liberties would deliberately place themselves in to a position that exposes them to these impositions... by their own free will. Don't you?
electrician at a nuclear power plant. if memory serves.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Instead of discussing the topic and offering solutions other than raising the minimum wage, which doesn't work, you've chosen to discuss me. I'm not running for chair of the fed reserve.
I prefer to discuss the rampant abuse of the dollar and monetary policy that destroys wealth on the 99%.
Somewhat, but there are some benefits to the scrutiny. The pay is one, and I'm an almost instant approval for gun purchases.
I minimize my footprint in other areas, the Internet being the big one.
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I know this is not what you mean... but, it kind of sounds like you are willing to forfeit some on your Libertarian ideals regarding personal freedoms and less government intrusion into your personal liberties for money.
Also, because of the government knowing of your personal being and your psychologic profile... they grant you instant access to firearms because they know that you do not pose a threat to the public. Shouldn't that same thing be applied to ALL persons seeking to obtain a weapon? That they do not pose a threat to the public with that weapon?
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I don't think Cosmo was implying you don't deserve what you get, rather that there is a stack of applications in your boss's desk saying there are many who want it, and will, perhaps, do it for less. Because they are probably less qualified than you is why you get to stay. Same with just about every other job in the world.
i'm pretty sure there are hundreds of applicants in China who would love that job at half the salary ...
You got that right ...
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Certain, are you? Well I'm not divulging my personal information.
I will say that I am highly trained in a sector that the safety of the public is dependent on my diagnostic skills. You want to farm that out to the lowest bidder? Good luck.
and, yet you devalue a large portion of the American public by implying that their job define them as incapable of being any more than YOUR perceptions see them. Maybe the lowest bidder is already in place.
You fundamentally know that Corporations moved their businesses out of the States for
-- access to massive cheap labor pools at slave labor wages
-- non-accountability or liability for environmental matters
-- tax breaks as a foreign corporations, yet, by having their headquarters incorporated in the US they enjoy the protection of the US government. Best of both economic worlds.
So let’s stop the bullshit. What does it take to bring these jobs home to the US?
--create a large cheap labor pool [break the unions, keep minimum wages low, cut social welfare programs, stop unemployment payments to create a demand. [We see this happening.]
-- strip the EPA of its powers [a Republican agenda for any Presidential candidate]
-- overhaul the IRS [another Republican agenda for any candidate]
--use Congress and the Courts to strip the rights of a large segment of the American population [we see this happening in the disbusement of the criminal justice system and the new voting ID laws and the immigration fight to come].
In order to do this, they need people like you. A person who is willing to believe that the purchase power of blacks and blue collar workers could bring the entire US financial banking and securities industry to its knees. A person like you who is needed to spread the word that these people can never be anymore than a cheap labor pool. Yet, these are not the people selling off the assets of the US to foreign investors.
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Instead of discussing the topic and offering solutions other than raising the minimum wage, which doesn't work, you've chosen to discuss me. I'm not running for chair of the fed reserve.
I prefer to discuss the rampant abuse of the dollar and monetary policy that destroys wealth on the 99%.
so please expand on the market forces idea of increased US manufacturing etc.
How do we as a country get to that place and who has the ready cash to buy the items that have an increased cost due the domestic production?
isnt it true that increased efficiency eliminates some jobs and offshoring jobs to further increase shareholder value has done just as much to destroy wealth for those who have only the skill to wash dishes , as "rampant abuse" of the dollar?
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Okay.. let's get back on topic.
So, instead of trying to use Mr. Unsung as an example of wage setting... I'll provide my own information. I'm not afraid of Big Brother.
I work as an Oracle Database Administrator for a large Fortune 500 Corporation. I'm in the middle of my labor grade, at the top of my salary range.
I get a salary increase every year based upon performance reviews by my management.
The market sets the pay scale for my skillset.
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Now... I'm not the greatest Oracle DBA to ever live. I'm not even the best DBA at my site, much less, the entire Enterprise DBA community. I am pretty good at what i do. I can quickly diagnose a problem with a database and direct the right people to fix the problem... and let me add, 99.9% of database problems are created by horrible programming code. If some of these fucking developers took the time to understand the database, they would not write crappy code with nested loops and full table scans.
I am absolutely sure, there are thousands upon thousands of DBAs that possess greater skills and would be able to do my job.
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Now, if the entire DBA market were to adjust their wages for DBAs... I would probably given the choice to either take a massive pay cut or leave the field.
The whole thing about letting the market decide what to pay us... it it were turely the case... the market would tap the global resources available to them. The DBAs in India and China. and YES... there are some brilliant DBAs in India... (i don't know about China, but I have met some DBAs from India with tremendous skillsets).
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Back to the minimum wage thing... if you are paying less and less wages to people working at a McDonalds, expect less and less service from them and more and more semen in your secret sauce.
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In MA I would say the lowest living wage with no children would be 10 per hour, and up 2 per hour per kid. And, I assure you, that is the lowest possible no frills life with no government help.
I think to live the American dream you would need a minimum of 30 per hour total (about 62k per year) would be needed per family (and up 3 per child)
Plan to chime in more in this thread - been quite the interesting read thus far (and for what it's worth, the OP has been pretty reasonable; no need to give him shit) - but I had to question this point.
Is the post up there to say that someone who has several children should be paid a higher wage than someone else equally qualified and able to do the same job but with no children? I, choosing to NOT have children, am destined to earn less because of this?
Isn't pay about what you (and the job) are worth to the employer, vs one's needs or how many children you have? The value you can and do bring? Skills, experience?
I hope I've read this wrong and if so, apologies...but I just can't get my head around this concept.
Anytime I've asked for a raise, it's been based not on need (Danny's been sick and we have a shitload of med bills. Our property taxes went up... -that's not my employer's problem), but on my performance.
If I had no marketable skills, ie, those I couldn't use in other realms, I wouldn't expect to be paid a salary equal to someone who has put in the time toward education, experience, etc.
A fair salary though? Sure (although "fair" seems to have different meanings).
It doesn’t make sense to me to hire someone for less pay, if I had the option to invest a bit more and know that person generally goes above and beyond their expectations or duties, and has some heft under their belt to understand time management, professionalism, dealing with vendors, pretty much handling themselves at the level I’d expect more from than someone inexperienced.
Stepping-stone positions are useful – learning experiences, at least by my path – and by no means anything to be ashamed of. I’d venture the majority of us have been there, and then…stepped up.
Of course I'm not indispensible, and sure my company could oust me and bring in some young’un with less know-how. It’d hurt me, but them too, in the end.
Back to the minimum wage thing... if you are paying less and less wages to people working at a McDonalds, expect less and less service from them and more and more semen in your secret sauce.
Dammit!
It's not a frequent thing, but I do love me a Big Mac once in a blue moon.
In MA I would say the lowest living wage with no children would be 10 per hour, and up 2 per hour per kid. And, I assure you, that is the lowest possible no frills life with no government help.
I think to live the American dream you would need a minimum of 30 per hour total (about 62k per year) would be needed per family (and up 3 per child)
Plan to chime in more in this thread - been quite the interesting read thus far (and for what it's worth, the OP has been pretty reasonable; no need to give him shit) - but I had to question this point.
Is the post up there to say that someone who has several children should be paid a higher wage than someone else equally qualified and able to do the same job but with no children? I, choosing to NOT have children, am destined to earn less because of this?
Isn't pay about what you (and the job) are worth to the employer, vs one's needs or how many children you have? The value you can and do bring? Skills, experience?
I hope I've read this wrong and if so, apologies...but I just can't get my head around this concept.
Anytime I've asked for a raise, it's been based not on need (Danny's been sick and we have a shitload of med bills. Our property taxes went up... -that's not my employer's problem), but on my performance.
If I had no marketable skills, ie, those I couldn't use in other realms, I wouldn't expect to be paid a salary equal to someone who has put in the time toward education, experience, etc.
A fair salary though? Sure (although "fair" seems to have different meanings).
It doesn’t make sense to me to hire someone for less pay, if I had the option to invest a bit more and know that person generally goes above and beyond their expectations or duties, and has some heft under their belt to understand time management, professionalism, dealing with vendors, pretty much handling themselves at the level I’d expect more from than someone inexperienced.
Stepping-stone positions are useful – learning experiences, at least by my path – and by no means anything to be ashamed of. I’d venture the majority of us have been there, and then…stepped up.
Of course I'm not indispensible, and sure my company could oust me and bring in some young’un with less know-how. It’d hurt me, but them too, in the end.
No, I was not implying that people with children should be paid more. I am merely answering the question of the OP as to what a living wage would be in my area. Kids are expensive. So to have a living wage for just me would be different that having a living wage for me plus 1 or 2 or 35.
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No, I was not implying that people with children should be paid more. I am merely answering the question of the OP as to what a living wage would be in my area. Kids are expensive. So to have a living wage for just me would be different that having a living wage for me plus 1 or 2 or 35.
OK, thank you for clarifying.
But - and not my intent to sound harsh by this or my next comment though I'm sure it'll come off that way - I still think if someone cannot afford to have children and live off their current earnings, then they shouldn't have those children. It's just not reasonable to me (or fair to their children).
The expense (monetary and otherwise-etary) isn't something I wanted to take on, nor could take on. And so I haven't. That goes for other life decisions.
Back to the minimum wage thing... if you are paying less and less wages to people working at a McDonalds, expect less and less service from them and more and more semen in your secret sauce.
I think we all have to come to the realization that it isn't the 1950s anymore. Or even the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s anymore. and as much as some folks would like... we ain't goin' back, THANK GOD!!!
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The fast food industry is no longer a place for teenagers to hand out free food and piss in the pickle jars anymore. Many fast food workers are adults... often times mothers and fathers with families to raise. Yeah, it wasn't like that when you were a kid... but seriously, so fucking what? A LOT of things are different from when we were 12.
And if there were still those jobs where unskilled workers could learn how to build washing machines and water heaters... those workers would not be serving us burgers and fries.
The living wage comes from apathy for fellow citizen who, often times by bad decision making in their youth, end up little educated and lacking skills. if America were truely a Christian Nation... we would care more about the plight of our people... than the size of our bank accounts.
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Cos, this is why I'm a big fan of vocational schools and the like.
So while attending classes, interning, OTJ training or what have you, maybe I do work for a few months or a year at a job I'm not crazy about and that may pay me less than I'd prefer.
It's hopefully temporary, and hopefully worth the investment of self and time.
I think we all have to come to the realization that it isn't the 1950s anymore. Or even the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s anymore. and as much as some folks would like... we ain't goin' back, THANK GOD!!!
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The fast food industry is no longer a place for teenagers to hand out free food and piss in the pickle jars anymore. Many fast food workers are adults... often times mothers and fathers with families to raise. Yeah, it wasn't like that when you were a kid... but seriously, so fucking what? A LOT of things are different from when we were 12.
And if there were still those jobs where unskilled workers could learn how to build washing machines and water heaters... those workers would not be serving us burgers and fries.
The living wage comes from apathy for fellow citizen who, often times by bad decision making in their youth, end up little educated and lacking skills. if America were truely a Christian Nation... we would care more about the plight of our people... than the size of our bank accounts.
But that would mean that we're SOCIALISTS! :shock:
Anyway, I liked the 70s and the 90s. Life was simpler. We actually didn't have a problem with actually finding a somewhat decent job. Not like today, not like it's been since 2008.
It really comes down to whether we want the corporations that make billions a year paying higher wages or we want welfare to increase and spread that among the taxpayers.
I would rather have the corporations spend more of their profits in wages than have my taxes go up. Dedicating more profit to a living wage does NOT mean that prices would increase. If Burger King is willing to keep prices low then McDonald's will to.
And...like Henry Ford discovered, (look this up...he actually paid his workers enough to be able to afford a new FORD) when the large corporations pay their workers more the workers SPEND more. Wal Mart would probably get back half of what they paid out from the very people they paid wages to.
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I have a friend who was working as an endoscopy technician. Several times she had her hands inside someone, where one wrong move meant possibly puncturing someone's bowels. She was paid between $10-12 an hour. Thought I'd throw that out there for pondering.
not to derail.... but the endoscope goes in the other end
I have a friend who was working as an endoscopy technician. Several times she had her hands inside someone, where one wrong move meant possibly puncturing someone's bowels. She was paid between $10-12 an hour. Thought I'd throw that out there for pondering.
not to derail.... but the endoscope goes in the other end
*runs away*
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Hmmmm.... Maybe that's why she only gets paid 10 bucks an hour.
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Another way to look at this would be for us to stop supporting toxic fast "food" road kill "restaurants" and reduce our frivolous spending in general and specifically cease our purchasing of cheap worthless plastic shit from places like Walmart and put more people to work doing something useful. And, of course, at the very least, pay everyone a living wage.
People will say, "But the poor need places like Walmart." I disagree. Durable items last longer, impact the planet less and cost less in the long run. Let's teach people how to shop wisely and responsibly. We don't need no stinkin' Walmart!
Who "puts more people to work doing something useful"? How does that happen?
This is getting a little off topis but briefly the first thing I would suggest is to create more domestic jobs through domestic production in companies that produce durable goods. Create jobs through companies that produce energy efficient goods and vehicle (especially important as oil production costs continue to rise and increases CO2 emissions into the atmosphere continue to drive climate change). Increase training and education of health care practitioners- plenty of job opportunities will continue to be desired as boomers move into retirement. More jobs will be created out of sheer necessity in growing food as oil production becomes more costly.
That was easy- I didn't have to think much at all to come up with those. Given more sleep and time to think and a lot of tolerance from others here for veering off the course of this thread, I'm sure I come come up with several other suggestions.
Local economy.
Durable goods.
Responsible consumption.
Fair wages.
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So $7 an hour works out to 26,880.00 a year before taxes. If you are lucky to live in the north of your fine country, your gas and energy should work out unassited to approx 4k. Toss in the need for some kind of phone bill. (you can fix an amount) No cable will suffice. (live without the net too) We shall even use public transit at say another 1600 for the year. What do you think for the fine food products for the year......$2400 sound like a fair amount to not eat at any establishments for the year. Toss in some take out or fun with friends every once in a while. (again unsung, you can fix the amount to it). I know there is no need to go and have fun, but people tend to like to get together. I think that a fair minimum wage of about $12 an hour for a single person trying to get by would be a fair start. Oooops, I didn't even add in rent for a place to live. Hmmmmmm, I'd love to live in your world where being undercut is a good thing!
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i'm pretty sure there are hundreds of applicants in China who would love that job at half the salary ...
Thanx for that.
Now, I'm wondering what is the criteria for your pay? I'm guessing that you are not the only person working at your company in that position, correct? And are you at the top of your salary grade level... or somewhere in the middle? Can't your employer find someone to replace you? Who sets the standard for your salary?
If the entire market of the job you do decides they can find people to do the same thing as you do... can't they set the market salary grade to whatever they want?
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Also, off the record... I do find it a bit interesting for a person who is so against government regulation, oversight and intrusions into their personal liberties would deliberately place themselves in to a position that exposes them to these impositions... by their own free will. Don't you?
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jesus, who gives a fuck. he didn't give out your home address and panty size, did he?
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I prefer to discuss the rampant abuse of the dollar and monetary policy that destroys wealth on the 99%.
I know this is not what you mean... but, it kind of sounds like you are willing to forfeit some on your Libertarian ideals regarding personal freedoms and less government intrusion into your personal liberties for money.
Also, because of the government knowing of your personal being and your psychologic profile... they grant you instant access to firearms because they know that you do not pose a threat to the public. Shouldn't that same thing be applied to ALL persons seeking to obtain a weapon? That they do not pose a threat to the public with that weapon?
Hail, Hail!!!
You got that right ...
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
and, yet you devalue a large portion of the American public by implying that their job define them as incapable of being any more than YOUR perceptions see them. Maybe the lowest bidder is already in place.
You fundamentally know that Corporations moved their businesses out of the States for
-- access to massive cheap labor pools at slave labor wages
-- non-accountability or liability for environmental matters
-- tax breaks as a foreign corporations, yet, by having their headquarters incorporated in the US they enjoy the protection of the US government. Best of both economic worlds.
So let’s stop the bullshit. What does it take to bring these jobs home to the US?
--create a large cheap labor pool [break the unions, keep minimum wages low, cut social welfare programs, stop unemployment payments to create a demand. [We see this happening.]
-- strip the EPA of its powers [a Republican agenda for any Presidential candidate]
-- overhaul the IRS [another Republican agenda for any candidate]
--use Congress and the Courts to strip the rights of a large segment of the American population [we see this happening in the disbusement of the criminal justice system and the new voting ID laws and the immigration fight to come].
In order to do this, they need people like you. A person who is willing to believe that the purchase power of blacks and blue collar workers could bring the entire US financial banking and securities industry to its knees. A person like you who is needed to spread the word that these people can never be anymore than a cheap labor pool. Yet, these are not the people selling off the assets of the US to foreign investors.
How do we as a country get to that place and who has the ready cash to buy the items that have an increased cost due the domestic production?
isnt it true that increased efficiency eliminates some jobs and offshoring jobs to further increase shareholder value has done just as much to destroy wealth for those who have only the skill to wash dishes , as "rampant abuse" of the dollar?
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So, instead of trying to use Mr. Unsung as an example of wage setting... I'll provide my own information. I'm not afraid of Big Brother.
I work as an Oracle Database Administrator for a large Fortune 500 Corporation. I'm in the middle of my labor grade, at the top of my salary range.
I get a salary increase every year based upon performance reviews by my management.
The market sets the pay scale for my skillset.
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Now... I'm not the greatest Oracle DBA to ever live. I'm not even the best DBA at my site, much less, the entire Enterprise DBA community. I am pretty good at what i do. I can quickly diagnose a problem with a database and direct the right people to fix the problem... and let me add, 99.9% of database problems are created by horrible programming code. If some of these fucking developers took the time to understand the database, they would not write crappy code with nested loops and full table scans.
I am absolutely sure, there are thousands upon thousands of DBAs that possess greater skills and would be able to do my job.
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Now, if the entire DBA market were to adjust their wages for DBAs... I would probably given the choice to either take a massive pay cut or leave the field.
The whole thing about letting the market decide what to pay us... it it were turely the case... the market would tap the global resources available to them. The DBAs in India and China. and YES... there are some brilliant DBAs in India... (i don't know about China, but I have met some DBAs from India with tremendous skillsets).
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Back to the minimum wage thing... if you are paying less and less wages to people working at a McDonalds, expect less and less service from them and more and more semen in your secret sauce.
Hail, Hail!!!
Is the post up there to say that someone who has several children should be paid a higher wage than someone else equally qualified and able to do the same job but with no children? I, choosing to NOT have children, am destined to earn less because of this?
Isn't pay about what you (and the job) are worth to the employer, vs one's needs or how many children you have? The value you can and do bring? Skills, experience?
I hope I've read this wrong and if so, apologies...but I just can't get my head around this concept.
Anytime I've asked for a raise, it's been based not on need (Danny's been sick and we have a shitload of med bills. Our property taxes went up... -that's not my employer's problem), but on my performance.
If I had no marketable skills, ie, those I couldn't use in other realms, I wouldn't expect to be paid a salary equal to someone who has put in the time toward education, experience, etc.
A fair salary though? Sure (although "fair" seems to have different meanings).
It doesn’t make sense to me to hire someone for less pay, if I had the option to invest a bit more and know that person generally goes above and beyond their expectations or duties, and has some heft under their belt to understand time management, professionalism, dealing with vendors, pretty much handling themselves at the level I’d expect more from than someone inexperienced.
Stepping-stone positions are useful – learning experiences, at least by my path – and by no means anything to be ashamed of. I’d venture the majority of us have been there, and then…stepped up.
Of course I'm not indispensible, and sure my company could oust me and bring in some young’un with less know-how. It’d hurt me, but them too, in the end.
It's not a frequent thing, but I do love me a Big Mac once in a blue moon.
I guess the sauce isn't so secret anymore.
(but maybe a bit more secretion-y :P )
No, I was not implying that people with children should be paid more. I am merely answering the question of the OP as to what a living wage would be in my area. Kids are expensive. So to have a living wage for just me would be different that having a living wage for me plus 1 or 2 or 35.
But - and not my intent to sound harsh by this or my next comment though I'm sure it'll come off that way - I still think if someone cannot afford to have children and live off their current earnings, then they shouldn't have those children. It's just not reasonable to me (or fair to their children).
The expense (monetary and otherwise-etary) isn't something I wanted to take on, nor could take on. And so I haven't. That goes for other life decisions.
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The fast food industry is no longer a place for teenagers to hand out free food and piss in the pickle jars anymore. Many fast food workers are adults... often times mothers and fathers with families to raise. Yeah, it wasn't like that when you were a kid... but seriously, so fucking what? A LOT of things are different from when we were 12.
And if there were still those jobs where unskilled workers could learn how to build washing machines and water heaters... those workers would not be serving us burgers and fries.
The living wage comes from apathy for fellow citizen who, often times by bad decision making in their youth, end up little educated and lacking skills. if America were truely a Christian Nation... we would care more about the plight of our people... than the size of our bank accounts.
Hail, Hail!!!
So while attending classes, interning, OTJ training or what have you, maybe I do work for a few months or a year at a job I'm not crazy about and that may pay me less than I'd prefer.
It's hopefully temporary, and hopefully worth the investment of self and time.
But that would mean that we're SOCIALISTS! :shock:
Anyway, I liked the 70s and the 90s. Life was simpler. We actually didn't have a problem with actually finding a somewhat decent job. Not like today, not like it's been since 2008.
I would rather have the corporations spend more of their profits in wages than have my taxes go up. Dedicating more profit to a living wage does NOT mean that prices would increase. If Burger King is willing to keep prices low then McDonald's will to.
And...like Henry Ford discovered, (look this up...he actually paid his workers enough to be able to afford a new FORD) when the large corporations pay their workers more the workers SPEND more. Wal Mart would probably get back half of what they paid out from the very people they paid wages to.
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not to derail.... but the endoscope goes in the other end
*runs away*
Hmmmm.... Maybe that's why she only gets paid 10 bucks an hour.
Hail, Hail!!!
Which is why you don't want a minimum wage.
If the cost of labor supply increases...the quantity of labor demanded decreases.
When you put a price floor on a supply and demand curve, quantity supplied will outweigh quantity demanded which means you get a labor surplus.
A low or no minimum wage is what causes people to be paid by businesses rather than the taxpayer.
This is getting a little off topis but briefly the first thing I would suggest is to create more domestic jobs through domestic production in companies that produce durable goods. Create jobs through companies that produce energy efficient goods and vehicle (especially important as oil production costs continue to rise and increases CO2 emissions into the atmosphere continue to drive climate change). Increase training and education of health care practitioners- plenty of job opportunities will continue to be desired as boomers move into retirement. More jobs will be created out of sheer necessity in growing food as oil production becomes more costly.
That was easy- I didn't have to think much at all to come up with those. Given more sleep and time to think and a lot of tolerance from others here for veering off the course of this thread, I'm sure I come come up with several other suggestions.
Local economy.
Durable goods.
Responsible consumption.
Fair wages.
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