Hard work is hard work. As someone who worked 40 hrs a week and got his degree and masters at night on a tiny salary I dont buy many excuses. It was awful but it was temporary.
I did it the right way as well- nothing was given to me. But with this said, at least I had 'opportunity' (crime free neighbourhood, student loans, supportive parents, good public schools, etc.).
Tell me if the 13 year old in South Side Chicago (or Watts District, LA) has the same chance as I did? I disagree with your assertion that there are plenty of poor rural or inner city kids that CHOSE to grow up, get educated, and stay out of trouble. For those that you do speak of... the percentage that scrapped their way out of those environments and 'made it' has to be incredibly low. For the others that simply stayed out of trouble... in reality, they accepted their fates as low level workers without the chance for anything great.
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They dont deserve 15 an hour then. They can still better themselves rather than let society swallow them up because of where they're from. Community colleges, management track where they work whether its Wendys or what.
Well one could look at it this way- but doing so is from a position of privilege. One might look at it from the other perspective and be just a little 'down' about an uncaring and unsupportive society that nurtures the conditions that make it extremely difficult for the impoverished to enable themselves.
Bottom line: would you rather see massive amounts of unusable cash sit in some fat cat's vault or would you rather see and support a system that sees a more equitable distribution of cash so that fat cats can still be fat cats, but the needy aren't quite as needy? Because that is what this topic is truly about.
Hard work is hard work. As someone who worked 40 hrs a week and got his degree and masters at night on a tiny salary I dont buy many excuses. It was awful but it was temporary.
I have done the same thing. But let's not pat ourselves on the back too much. I had a positive upbringing that allowed me to understand the value of an education and was supported by my community along with all my peers... and it was still difficult, or, as you stated, awful.
I could not imagine the day to day hardships so many impoverished youth members face. To expect them to simply rise above them and do what we have done is a little insensitive.
People living paycheck to paycheck on 735 an hour.
Will still be living paycheck to paycheck on 15 an hour.
They will simply buy more expensive stuff or more cheap stuff.
Once you live below your means...then you will make more than you need.
You nailed it square on the head.
Said from our thrones. I am pretty sure that many of the people we speak of when we refer to 'low income earners' never aspired to be 'low income earners'. They did not have a fighting chance from the outset.
People can 'make it' on nothing: I see them at intersections all the time washing windshields. And, people can 'make it' on $5 an hour. Is this the standard for which we should become complacent... or can we hope for a little more for our fellow man?
I asked a question a while back that went unanswered, but it is at the heart of this discussion: would you rather see massive amounts of unusable cash sit in some fat cat's vault, or would you rather see and support a system that sees a more equitable distribution of cash so that fat cats can still be fat cats, but the needy aren't quite as needy?
So you want to see the government force somebody to take their hard earned money and give it to people that haven't earned it? Why do you insist on the government telling somebody how to spend their money? As someone that does give what I can to charity (united way and the red cross), but I'm not a business owner, I can't imagine feeling the urge to give if I was being told to by a "higher authority"
So you want to see the government force somebody to take their hard earned money and give it to people that haven't earned it? Why do you insist on the government telling somebody how to spend their money? As someone that does give what I can to charity (united way and the red cross), but I'm not a business owner, I can't imagine feeling the urge to give if I was being told to by a "higher authority"
No. I'm saying that somebody should take their hard earned money and give it to someone who has helped them earn their hard earned money after they have worked hard for them.
You do understand that capitalism unchecked is disastrous right? Not just for employees but for the environment as well. This has been proven EVERY SINGLE TIME the experiment has occurred. As generous as you claim to be... this isn't exactly the case with the overwhelming majority of others in the business of making money.
Seems we've turned what a living wage should be into the fact that 12 bucks is too much from an employer yet is not enough to live on. Makes for good reading.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
People living paycheck to paycheck on 735 an hour.
Will still be living paycheck to paycheck on 15 an hour.
They will simply buy more expensive stuff or more cheap stuff.
Once you live below your means...then you will make more than you need.
You nailed it square on the head.
I lived the cycle for many years. Finally broke out of it.
I lived that cycle as well. And I broke myself out of it. Not everyone just buys more crap or more expensive stuff when they make a little more. Many are finally able to pay their bills at that point!
Would you rather see massive amounts of unusable cash sit in some fat cat's vault or would you rather see and support a system that sees a more equitable distribution of cash so that fat cats can still be fat cats, but the needy aren't quite as needy? Because that is what this topic is truly about.
Question still remains unanswered.
I am assuming this is because people are unanimously in favour of the 'more equitable distribution' scenario.
I lived the cycle for many years. Finally broke out of it.[/quote]
I lived that cycle as well. And I broke myself out of it. Not everyone just buys more crap or more expensive stuff when they make a little more. Many are finally able to pay their bills at that point![/quote]
...i hope they do stop buying.
That being said...the goal of raising the wage is to get more people buying stuff.
Our economy is based on buying.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
The idea that someone making $15/hour will still spend all of their money is the perfect idea for RAISING the minimum wage.
And consider that most of what they spend will trickle UP to the lords that gave it to them. Imagine how much more business Wal-Mart would get when their best customers have MORE MONEY.
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That being said...the goal of raising the wage is to get more people buying stuff.
Our economy is based on buying.
Not entirely.
You make it sound as if the only thing people would do upon experiencing a wage increase is buy t-shirts and shoes that they do not need. While this would be the case in some- maybe even many- instances... it doesn't serve as an excuse to placate the 'have nots'. And again... it is spoken from a position of relative privilege.
I do okay with the current system. I should just shut up and let the ones most directly affected speak for themselves. The problem with that though is... I guarantee they are not on these forums.
quick question. lets say that someone get paid $7.25 an hour and works 40 hours a week. that a total of $1160 a month before taxes. out of that money, a person has to pay rent (if they don't live at home) food, health insurance, transportation to work and hopefully save money.
can you tell me how is this person can survive and actually improve their lives?
Would you rather see massive amounts of unusable cash sit in some fat cat's vault or would you rather see and support a system that sees a more equitable distribution of cash so that fat cats can still be fat cats, but the needy aren't quite as needy? Because that is what this topic is truly about.
Question still remains unanswered.
I am assuming this is because people are unanimously in favour of the 'more equitable distribution' scenario.
I lived the cycle for many years. Finally broke out of it.
I lived that cycle as well. And I broke myself out of it. Not everyone just buys more crap or more expensive stuff when they make a little more. Many are finally able to pay their bills at that point![/quote]
...i hope they do stop buying.
That being said...the goal of raising the wage is to get more people buying stuff.
Our economy is based on buying.[/quote]
Yet, during the WWII, people were told to scrimp and save, don't throw out anything. We were in utter turmoil as a world, let alone a country. Now, under the consumption umbrella, the feds will have you believe that the only way to improve our economy is to spend. What a bunch of bullshit. Everyone knows that the gov't gives tax cuts to companies who export jobs. Stopping that practice would improve the economy; not having people consume.
Other than the (kinda cliched) melodramatic commentary around exploitation and smoking pipes in chairs, I tend to agree with the thesis here. I don't see a connection between raising the minimum wage and monetary inflation. It isn't increasing the dollars in circulation, it's just shifting them from one bucket to another. Now, that new bucket will (hopefully) be more likely to spend the newfound wealth on staple goods like food, transportation, and housing, so you could conceivably see an uptick in prices in those goods...with an offsetting reduction in the price of mega-yachts and smoking chairs, amirite Thirty Bills? :P
I am not worried so much about inflation, I am worried about the assumption that demand will pick up and costs won't rise that some seem to be making. People are right in saying that prices balance out and that the market rather than a business sets the prices in most cases...I believe that prices will balance to the new demand eventually....that of course assumes that there will be the same work force size suddenly making more money...and people also seem to be making the assumption that the demand will result in new jobs...
that doesn't even really take into account the fact that a need for a rise in the minimum wage is that inflation itself keeps prices rising. Wages have not kept up with inflation that is for sure, and the purchasing power of the dollar seems to be minimized by the second...without a geographically controlled formula tied to the inflation rate, raising the minimum wage once will result in things being slightly better for a few years for those lucky enough to live in an area where the cost of living is relatively low or work for a company that could afford to make that increase and won't be trimming work force.
in the end we are all making assumptions about what will happen. it seems like we are caught between two philosophies with no clear agreement possible...I mean there will always be someone waiting to fill the next burger flipper position, but if you don't pay people enough money they won't be able to buy your burgers...
The only thing I really break from my libertarian philosophy on is that employees should not be able to tie their compensation packages to the performance of the stock. Getting paid in stock leaves a CEO with many ethical dilemmas...Hell I often wonder if it should be legal to invest or hold any stocks of a company you currently work for...Too many ethical quandaries IMO...
All I know is there will never be much protection for those at the bottom or the middle until our legislators salary is tied to the median income of the country...
The idea that someone making $15/hour will still spend all of their money is the perfect idea for RAISING the minimum wage.
And consider that most of what they spend will trickle UP to the lords that gave it to them. Imagine how much more business Wal-Mart would get when their best customers have MORE MONEY.
there is no guarantee that the same amount of people will be working when the minimum wage is raised. Not every company that has min wage workers has the pockets of Walmart...
Not sure if some folks here have addressed it or not, but geographic location is still very much a factor when determining poverty levels...and minimum wage being uniform across all geographic locations is still an unfair practice. There is no solid gov't solution to a problem that society needs to solve without the threat of force.
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quick question. lets say that someone get paid $7.25 an hour and works 40 hours a week. that a total of $1160 a month before taxes. out of that money, a person has to pay rent (if they don't live at home) food, health insurance, transportation to work and hopefully save money.
can you tell me how is this person can survive and actually improve their lives?
Forget ever owning your own house. Rent in my city for a two bedroom townhouse/apartment ranges from $1000- 1400 with all utilities. Right away, you can see the problem when one considers your math, my city's rental rates, and then begins to factor in additional expenses.
And don't forget those 'unexpected costs' that anyone who has lived on their own has experienced time and time again.
Forget clothes, movies, and haircuts. It's kraft dinner and bridge- every day of the week.
But, in answer to your question, I suppose they get another minimum wage job and work 80 hours per week.
quick question. lets say that someone get paid $7.25 an hour and works 40 hours a week. that a total of $1160 a month before taxes. out of that money, a person has to pay rent (if they don't live at home) food, health insurance, transportation to work and hopefully save money.
can you tell me how is this person can survive and actually improve their lives?
Forget ever owning your own house. Rent in my city for a two bedroom townhouse/apartment ranges from $1000- 1400 with all utilities. Right away, you can see the problem when one considers your math, my city's rental rates, and then begins to factor in additional expenses.
And don't forget those 'unexpected costs' that anyone who has lived on their own has experienced time and time again.
Forget clothes, movies, and haircuts. It's kraft dinner and bridge- every day of the week.
But, in answer to your question, I suppose they get another minimum wage job and work 80 hours per week.
my house payment-you'd shit (for a small 3br - 1 1/2 bath) but a pretty quite neighborhood close to the beach(7-8 miles) with the exception of my bike ...it's pretty loud the neighbor's love me
rent in my area $2000 to $2400 a month (for a house)
apt is $800 to $1200 a month but deeper the "hoods" of San Diego you van find them cheaper $600 or so min. wage wont work for SOME/most in S.D......BUT MANY DO...BARELY
quick question. lets say that someone get paid $7.25 an hour and works 40 hours a week. that a total of $1160 a month before taxes. out of that money, a person has to pay rent (if they don't live at home) food, health insurance, transportation to work and hopefully save money.
can you tell me how is this person can survive and actually improve their lives?
Forget ever owning your own house. Rent in my city for a two bedroom townhouse/apartment ranges from $1000- 1400 with all utilities. Right away, you can see the problem when one considers your math, my city's rental rates, and then begins to factor in additional expenses.
And don't forget those 'unexpected costs' that anyone who has lived on their own has experienced time and time again.
Forget clothes, movies, and haircuts. It's kraft dinner and bridge- every day of the week.
But, in answer to your question, I suppose they get another minimum wage job and work 80 hours per week.
exactly, you can't live on that amount. you create a cycle of poverty. so to answer unsung question, a living wage would allow a person to afford a basic place, food and other essentials.
quick question. lets say that someone get paid $7.25 an hour and works 40 hours a week. that a total of $1160 a month before taxes. out of that money, a person has to pay rent (if they don't live at home) food, health insurance, transportation to work and hopefully save money.
can you tell me how is this person can survive and actually improve their lives?
Forget ever owning your own house. Rent in my city for a two bedroom townhouse/apartment ranges from $1000- 1400 with all utilities. Right away, you can see the problem when one considers your math, my city's rental rates, and then begins to factor in additional expenses.
And don't forget those 'unexpected costs' that anyone who has lived on their own has experienced time and time again.
Forget clothes, movies, and haircuts. It's kraft dinner and bridge- every day of the week.
But, in answer to your question, I suppose they get another minimum wage job and work 80 hours per week.
exactly, you can't live on that amount. you create a cycle of poverty. so to answer unsung question, a living wage would allow a person to afford a basic place, food and other essentials.
So, in summary to date:
We have established that a better system which distributes wealth more equitably is needed.
People mired in poverty have little opportunity to break, as you said, the cycle of poverty; hence, where one is born and who one is born to is the critical piece determining whether or not one is poor.
Working full time at a minimum wage job will not provide the basic means for one person.
The current minimum wages are not enough to maintain any standard of living that anyone on these boards would be complacent with.
quick question. lets say that someone get paid $7.25 an hour and works 40 hours a week. that a total of $1160 a month before taxes. out of that money, a person has to pay rent (if they don't live at home) food, health insurance, transportation to work and hopefully save money.
can you tell me how is this person can survive and actually improve their lives?
Forget ever owning your own house. Rent in my city for a two bedroom townhouse/apartment ranges from $1000- 1400 with all utilities. Right away, you can see the problem when one considers your math, my city's rental rates, and then begins to factor in additional expenses.
And don't forget those 'unexpected costs' that anyone who has lived on their own has experienced time and time again.
Forget clothes, movies, and haircuts. It's kraft dinner and bridge- every day of the week.
But, in answer to your question, I suppose they get another minimum wage job and work 80 hours per week.
my house payment-you'd shit (for a small 3br - 1 1/2 bath) but a pretty quite neighborhood close to the beach(7-8 miles) with the exception of my bike ...it's pretty loud the neighbor's love me
rent in my area $2000 to $2400 a month (for a house)
apt is $800 to $1200 a month but deeper the "hoods" of San Diego you van find them cheaper $600 or so min. wage wont work for SOME/most in S.D......BUT MANY DO...BARELY
Godfather.
You live close to the beach in a quiet neighbourhood?
Godfather... somehow I pictured something a little more 'rustic'.
I was in San Diego one time with my basketball team. Loved that place. I'm a little envious of you- my driveway is covered in snow right now. Yours isn't.
san diego is lovely. lo jolla beach (la ho e a)
fucking fantastic place to swim & whatnot
folks who live in lo jolla.... fuck off!
they have huge amounts of $$$
i like california
some places i like there more than other places there
it is crowded to my notion & EXPENSIVE
try living in san francisco
san diego is lovely. lo jolla beach (la ho e a)
fucking fantastic place to swim & whatnot
folks who live in lo jolla.... fuck off!
they have huge amounts of $$$
i like california
some places i like there more than other places there
it is crowded to my notion & EXPENSIVE
try living in san francisco
Saw some very distinguished homes overlooking the ocean that wouldn't have been too bad to live in!
Never saw the 'other side' of San Diego, but the reality is for one house to be awesome... another has to be the shits. Not everybody profits.
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Pay someone $15/hour and those opportunities arise.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Well one could look at it this way- but doing so is from a position of privilege. One might look at it from the other perspective and be just a little 'down' about an uncaring and unsupportive society that nurtures the conditions that make it extremely difficult for the impoverished to enable themselves.
Bottom line: would you rather see massive amounts of unusable cash sit in some fat cat's vault or would you rather see and support a system that sees a more equitable distribution of cash so that fat cats can still be fat cats, but the needy aren't quite as needy? Because that is what this topic is truly about.
I have done the same thing. But let's not pat ourselves on the back too much. I had a positive upbringing that allowed me to understand the value of an education and was supported by my community along with all my peers... and it was still difficult, or, as you stated, awful.
I could not imagine the day to day hardships so many impoverished youth members face. To expect them to simply rise above them and do what we have done is a little insensitive.
Will still be living paycheck to paycheck on 15 an hour.
They will simply buy more expensive stuff or more cheap stuff.
Once you live below your means...then you will make more than you need.
I lived the cycle for many years. Finally broke out of it.
Said from our thrones. I am pretty sure that many of the people we speak of when we refer to 'low income earners' never aspired to be 'low income earners'. They did not have a fighting chance from the outset.
People can 'make it' on nothing: I see them at intersections all the time washing windshields. And, people can 'make it' on $5 an hour. Is this the standard for which we should become complacent... or can we hope for a little more for our fellow man?
I asked a question a while back that went unanswered, but it is at the heart of this discussion: would you rather see massive amounts of unusable cash sit in some fat cat's vault, or would you rather see and support a system that sees a more equitable distribution of cash so that fat cats can still be fat cats, but the needy aren't quite as needy?
No. I'm saying that somebody should take their hard earned money and give it to someone who has helped them earn their hard earned money after they have worked hard for them.
You do understand that capitalism unchecked is disastrous right? Not just for employees but for the environment as well. This has been proven EVERY SINGLE TIME the experiment has occurred. As generous as you claim to be... this isn't exactly the case with the overwhelming majority of others in the business of making money.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
so true, I'm working on breaking out of that cycle right now, time to get back to survivle mode.
Godfather.
I lived that cycle as well. And I broke myself out of it. Not everyone just buys more crap or more expensive stuff when they make a little more. Many are finally able to pay their bills at that point!
I wish you the best.
Question still remains unanswered.
I am assuming this is because people are unanimously in favour of the 'more equitable distribution' scenario.
I lived that cycle as well. And I broke myself out of it. Not everyone just buys more crap or more expensive stuff when they make a little more. Many are finally able to pay their bills at that point![/quote]
...i hope they do stop buying.
That being said...the goal of raising the wage is to get more people buying stuff.
Our economy is based on buying.
And consider that most of what they spend will trickle UP to the lords that gave it to them. Imagine how much more business Wal-Mart would get when their best customers have MORE MONEY.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Not entirely.
You make it sound as if the only thing people would do upon experiencing a wage increase is buy t-shirts and shoes that they do not need. While this would be the case in some- maybe even many- instances... it doesn't serve as an excuse to placate the 'have nots'. And again... it is spoken from a position of relative privilege.
I do okay with the current system. I should just shut up and let the ones most directly affected speak for themselves. The problem with that though is... I guarantee they are not on these forums.
can you tell me how is this person can survive and actually improve their lives?
I know I am.
I lived that cycle as well. And I broke myself out of it. Not everyone just buys more crap or more expensive stuff when they make a little more. Many are finally able to pay their bills at that point![/quote]
...i hope they do stop buying.
That being said...the goal of raising the wage is to get more people buying stuff.
Our economy is based on buying.[/quote]
Yet, during the WWII, people were told to scrimp and save, don't throw out anything. We were in utter turmoil as a world, let alone a country. Now, under the consumption umbrella, the feds will have you believe that the only way to improve our economy is to spend. What a bunch of bullshit. Everyone knows that the gov't gives tax cuts to companies who export jobs. Stopping that practice would improve the economy; not having people consume.
I am not worried so much about inflation, I am worried about the assumption that demand will pick up and costs won't rise that some seem to be making. People are right in saying that prices balance out and that the market rather than a business sets the prices in most cases...I believe that prices will balance to the new demand eventually....that of course assumes that there will be the same work force size suddenly making more money...and people also seem to be making the assumption that the demand will result in new jobs...
that doesn't even really take into account the fact that a need for a rise in the minimum wage is that inflation itself keeps prices rising. Wages have not kept up with inflation that is for sure, and the purchasing power of the dollar seems to be minimized by the second...without a geographically controlled formula tied to the inflation rate, raising the minimum wage once will result in things being slightly better for a few years for those lucky enough to live in an area where the cost of living is relatively low or work for a company that could afford to make that increase and won't be trimming work force.
in the end we are all making assumptions about what will happen. it seems like we are caught between two philosophies with no clear agreement possible...I mean there will always be someone waiting to fill the next burger flipper position, but if you don't pay people enough money they won't be able to buy your burgers...
The only thing I really break from my libertarian philosophy on is that employees should not be able to tie their compensation packages to the performance of the stock. Getting paid in stock leaves a CEO with many ethical dilemmas...Hell I often wonder if it should be legal to invest or hold any stocks of a company you currently work for...Too many ethical quandaries IMO...
All I know is there will never be much protection for those at the bottom or the middle until our legislators salary is tied to the median income of the country...
there is no guarantee that the same amount of people will be working when the minimum wage is raised. Not every company that has min wage workers has the pockets of Walmart...
Not sure if some folks here have addressed it or not, but geographic location is still very much a factor when determining poverty levels...and minimum wage being uniform across all geographic locations is still an unfair practice. There is no solid gov't solution to a problem that society needs to solve without the threat of force.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
1st. it depends where home is.
2nd. at least $500.00 take home pay weekly
3rd. 8-10 hrs 5-6 or more days a week & allow overtime & pay ppl like a mofo
when driving a semi truck, i clocked in 60-110 hrs weekly
i expect greatness
why aren't i some CEO somewhere?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Forget ever owning your own house. Rent in my city for a two bedroom townhouse/apartment ranges from $1000- 1400 with all utilities. Right away, you can see the problem when one considers your math, my city's rental rates, and then begins to factor in additional expenses.
And don't forget those 'unexpected costs' that anyone who has lived on their own has experienced time and time again.
Forget clothes, movies, and haircuts. It's kraft dinner and bridge- every day of the week.
But, in answer to your question, I suppose they get another minimum wage job and work 80 hours per week.
my house payment-you'd shit (for a small 3br - 1 1/2 bath) but a pretty quite neighborhood close to the beach(7-8 miles) with the exception of my bike ...it's pretty loud
rent in my area $2000 to $2400 a month (for a house)
apt is $800 to $1200 a month but deeper the "hoods" of San Diego you van find them cheaper $600 or so min. wage wont work for SOME/most in S.D......BUT MANY DO...BARELY
Godfather.
exactly, you can't live on that amount. you create a cycle of poverty. so to answer unsung question, a living wage would allow a person to afford a basic place, food and other essentials.
So, in summary to date:
We have established that a better system which distributes wealth more equitably is needed.
People mired in poverty have little opportunity to break, as you said, the cycle of poverty; hence, where one is born and who one is born to is the critical piece determining whether or not one is poor.
Working full time at a minimum wage job will not provide the basic means for one person.
The current minimum wages are not enough to maintain any standard of living that anyone on these boards would be complacent with.
... what have I missed?
You live close to the beach in a quiet neighbourhood?
Godfather... somehow I pictured something a little more 'rustic'.
I was in San Diego one time with my basketball team. Loved that place. I'm a little envious of you- my driveway is covered in snow right now. Yours isn't.
fucking fantastic place to swim & whatnot
folks who live in lo jolla.... fuck off!
they have huge amounts of $$$
i like california
some places i like there more than other places there
it is crowded to my notion & EXPENSIVE
try living in san francisco
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Saw some very distinguished homes overlooking the ocean that wouldn't have been too bad to live in!
Never saw the 'other side' of San Diego, but the reality is for one house to be awesome... another has to be the shits. Not everybody profits.
Regardless... San Diego... nice place!