qur'an & violence against women/girls

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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    we can discuss any topic on the planet or any topic as far as our universe reaches & beyond. religion is not kept locked away & kept hidden from debate. that is wrong to think that way.

    islam & many countries actually intertwine, for example, the islamic republic of iran & afghanistan. seems it is the religion that is the state. the mosque that is the court or what have you.

    to me & to millions of other folks that is scary shit.

    here in the u.s. it says, "in god we trust" on our money. weird, yes/no?
    what if we were the christian republic of the united states?
    i'd fucking move my fat ass down to fucking brazil in a fucking fast ass heart beat
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • K_jamK_jam Posts: 137
    All I'm saying is that if people are going to discuss religion, it's going to turn into a pointless argument which isn't going to change anything. The topic is a waste of time. Islam has been around for thousands of years and they're not going to change any laws anytime soon. Who gives a fuck about how they live and what they believe in.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    K_jam wrote:
    All I'm saying is that if people are going to discuss religion, it's going to turn into a pointless argument which isn't going to change anything. The topic is a waste of time. Islam has been around for thousands of years and they're not going to change any laws anytime soon. Who gives a fuck about how they live and what they believe in.
    i give a fuck

    i give a fuck how decent people are treated by their bullshit leaders & their peers

    i am not the only one who give a fuck to care about things around the world
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • K_jamK_jam Posts: 137
    And because you give a fuck it's gonna make a difference is it?
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    K_jam wrote:
    And because you give a fuck it's gonna make a difference is it?
    what the hell is wrong with learning about something?

    if i give a fuck yes it is going to make a difference. that is how shit works

    400,000 fuckers all giving a fuck about something with a passion. they will change something that holds them down.

    the marijuana user here in the usa is a person who is winning the war on drugs. this vast population of users gives a fuck. they are sent to jail, prison & rehab meetings. they aren't giving up. see what im saying?

    it takes large amounts of people who give a fuck... revolution

    revolution is happening all over the world. thank god for that
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    if we Americans tryed to change this with war....or a take over who would be the bad guy ? you guy's are dealing with a culture...the way the men of this culture have done for as long as anybody can remember,to them it's honor to keep in line and dominate their women but it seems tobe their dirty little secrete....that is no secrete at all thanks to the world wide media, so tell me what can America do about this shit ? we can talk about it till we're blue in the face but we will not change a friggin thing, at the risk of being called a racist and a biggot for further comment I'll stop now.

    Godfather.
  • PingfahPingfah Posts: 350
    K_jam wrote:
    And because you give a fuck it's gonna make a difference is it?

    If everybody was as defeatist as you, nothing would ever change, anywhere, ever. Since religion and politics are in a constant state of flux and change the world over, I think we can safely assume your point of view is the wrong one.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    pingfah,

    i want to say that what you wrote here just above is quite polite when you may could have not been. that is decent of you.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Godfather. wrote:
    if we Americans tryed to change this with war....or a take over who would be the bad guy ? you guy's are dealing with a culture...the way the men of this culture have done for as long as anybody can remember,to them it's honor to keep in line and dominate their women but it seems tobe their dirty little secrete....that is no secrete at all thanks to the world wide media, so tell me what can America do about this shit ? we can talk about it till we're blue in the face but we will not change a friggin thing, at the risk of being called a racist and a biggot for further comment I'll stop now.

    Godfather.

    Ah, you would be the bad guy. Who's to say you have any right invading a country to "change" there ways or what you have it. And if you ACTUALLY think that we, the good old USA, ever get involved to just "change" there views with NOTHING else, then you my friend, are truly lost. If that was the case, then why aren't we in Saudi Arabia now? Why aren't we helping these women out? Or stopping the beheadings? Or whatever else we're all disgusted by. Why is it so hard for people on here to really see what's happening or going on? Read between the lines as one Maynard James Keenan would say......
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    K_jam wrote:

    because it's an open forum ... so as long as we discuss the topic it should be no issue.[/quote]


    No issue??? Really?? What planet are you from?? Especially a thread about Islam?? You think they're gonna sit back and take the crap you say about their religion?? Open your eyes buddy.[/quote]


    My eyes are open .... BUDDY!
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • K_jamK_jam Posts: 137
    edited October 2013
    lol you guys are so cute. defeatist??? nope. im a realist. simply because i know how these Arabs think. im an Australian with a Lebanese background, my parents migrated to Australia in the mid 70s to escape the civil war, when the Muslims invaded the country. and after they took over Lebanon, what did they do?? a whole bunch of them migrated to down here to and absolutely have no respect for the Australian way of life and trashed our name in this country. do they care?? NO. and because of that, the Lebanese youth in this country who are trying to assimilate(including me) have to suffer because of the stupid fucked up crimes they have committed and their attitude towards the Australian people.

    so i know quite a bit about these people, it's their way or the highway. they are the most thick headed, disrespectful human beings on this planet. and yet you people want to help them out. yes i understand you guys care and wanna help out, its cute. but lets be realistic, Arabs hate Americans, if you haven't figured that out there's something wrong with you.

    and ill say it again, Muslims have been like that for thousands of years, and you want to go over there and tell them that their way of life is wrong, really??? Muslims hate western civilisation and would rather die than live like America or any other western country. and that's a true fact.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    K_jam wrote:
    lol you guys are so cute. defeatist??? nope. im a realist. simply because i know how these Arabs think. im an Australian with a Lebanese background, my parents migrated to Australia in the mid 70s to escape the civil war, when the Muslims invaded the country. and after they took over Lebanon, what did they do?? a whole bunch of them migrated to down here to and absolutely have no respect for the Australian way of life and trashed our name in this country. do they care?? NO. and because of that, the Lebanese youth in this country who are trying to assimilate(including me) have to suffer because of the stupid fucked up crimes they have committed and their attitude towards the Australian people.

    so i know quite a bit about these people, it's their way or the way highway. they are the most thick headed, disrespectful human beings on this planet. and yet you people want to help them out. yes i understand you guys care and wanna help out, its cute. but lets be realistic, Arabs hate Americans, if you haven't figured that out there's something wrong with you.

    and ill say it again, Muslims have been like that for thousands of years, and you want to go over there and tell them that their way of life is wrong, really??? Muslims hate western civilisation and would rather die than live like America or any other western country. and that's a true fact.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1-xGuEkdLw
  • K_jamK_jam Posts: 137
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1-xGuEkdLw[/quote]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr6XHJ7qcSE

    that last line that he says in the video, thats my response to that video. :D
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    nice post
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    K_jam wrote:
    lol you guys are so cute. defeatist??? nope. im a realist. simply because i know how these Arabs think. im an Australian with a Lebanese background, my parents migrated to Australia in the mid 70s to escape the civil war, when the Muslims invaded the country. and after they took over Lebanon, what did they do?? a whole bunch of them migrated to down here to and absolutely have no respect for the Australian way of life and trashed our name in this country. do they care?? NO. and because of that, the Lebanese youth in this country who are trying to assimilate(including me) have to suffer because of the stupid fucked up crimes they have committed and their attitude towards the Australian people.

    so i know quite a bit about these people, it's their way or the highway. they are the most thick headed, disrespectful human beings on this planet. and yet you people want to help them out. yes i understand you guys care and wanna help out, its cute. but lets be realistic, Arabs hate Americans, if you haven't figured that out there's something wrong with you.

    and ill say it again, Muslims have been like that for thousands of years, and you want to go over there and tell them that their way of life is wrong, really??? Muslims hate western civilisation and would rather die than live like America or any other western country. and that's a true fact.

    So let me ask you this ... Why are the immigrating in great numbers to the west? By the way I'm not interested in helping them.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • K_jamK_jam Posts: 137
    So let me ask you this ... Why are the immigrating in great numbers to the west? By the way I'm not interested in helping them.[/quote]

    good question. im not sure, wherever they migrate to, they bring their dirty laundry with them. that's all i know. but yet, this country is providing them with a better life. and i say what for?? they don't appreciate it, they take advantage of it.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    The thought of everyone "shutting the fuck up" and questioning nothing is frightening to me.

    How else do we learn - or open ourselves to the opportunity to learn?

    How dare anyone demand those speaking their mind, whether or not their views are popular or racist or somewhere else, to quiet their voice?

    (this said, with the obvious-but-necessary disclaimer as is such these days: I'm not talking about those who go beyond words)

    (and badbrains, nice MJK reference there. An intelligent man from whom I've learned much...well, still am)
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    hedonist wrote:
    The thought of everyone "shutting the fuck up" and questioning nothing is frightening to me.

    How else do we learn - or open ourselves to the opportunity to learn?

    How dare anyone demand those speaking their mind, whether or not their views are popular or racist or somewhere else, to quiet their voice?

    (this said, with the obvious-but-necessary disclaimer as is such these days: I'm not talking about those who go beyond words)

    (and badbrains, nice MJK reference there. An intelligent man from whom I've learned much...well, still am)

    MJK is a very intelligent man indeed!!!! :thumbup:
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    K_jam wrote:
    lol you guys are so cute. defeatist??? nope. im a realist. simply because i know how these Arabs think. im an Australian with a Lebanese background, my parents migrated to Australia in the mid 70s to escape the civil war, when the Muslims invaded the country. and after they took over Lebanon, what did they do?? a whole bunch of them migrated to down here to and absolutely have no respect for the Australian way of life and trashed our name in this country. do they care?? NO. and because of that, the Lebanese youth in this country who are trying to assimilate(including me) have to suffer because of the stupid fucked up crimes they have committed and their attitude towards the Australian people.

    so i know quite a bit about these people, it's their way or the highway. they are the most thick headed, disrespectful human beings on this planet. and yet you people want to help them out. yes i understand you guys care and wanna help out, its cute. but lets be realistic, Arabs hate Americans, if you haven't figured that out there's something wrong with you.

    and ill say it again, Muslims have been like that for thousands of years, and you want to go over there and tell them that their way of life is wrong, really??? Muslims hate western civilisation and would rather die than live like America or any other western country. and that's a true fact.

    Which is it Arabs or Muslims cuz I'm a Muslim but NOT an arab. You do know that there's over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and NOT ALL ARE Arabs right? And did you say you were originally from Lebanon? Isn't that an Arab country? Just curious.
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