Really? You think you can post and do whatever you want... interesting.
Absolutely no positive stories. We are all bloodthirsty lust driven savages, but our land and resources are good... maybe we will all be wiped out and in 400 years you can name baseball teams and military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. What a joke.
Really? You think you can post and do whatever you want... interesting.
Absolutely no positive stories. We are all bloodthirsty lust driven savages, but our land and resources are good... maybe we will all be wiped out and in 400 years you can name baseball teams and military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. What a joke.
i was saying... a person can speak how they feel about a religion & the government's short comings without fear of being sent off to prison while his family suffers without him. we are talking about a activist who spoke his mind. in saudi arabia one cannot speak freely about islam in any sort of negative or wishful changing manner. iran, the country itself means, 'republic of islam', yes?
government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?
"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?
was saying... a person can speak how they feel about a religion & the government's short comings without fear of being sent off to prison while his family suffers without him. we are talking about a activist who spoke his mind. in saudi arabia one cannot speak freely about islam in any sort of negative or wishful changing manner. iran, the country itself means, 'republic of islam', yes?
government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?
"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?
ive read sources that say iran means noble. that is has always been used throughout its long history by those who call/ed themselves iranians. that it is cognant with a similar word in Sanskrit and with the word, aryan, which itself has evolved negative connotations.
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Someone told me today that the Muslim holiday eid is gonna be on tues OCT 15th. Yup, that's right, same day as Lightning Bolt being released. Ah oh Areil and GF, mite want to cancel your 10C membership.
Really? You think you can post and do whatever you want... interesting.
Absolutely no positive stories. We are all bloodthirsty lust driven savages, but our land and resources are good... maybe we will all be wiped out and in 400 years you can name baseball teams and military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. What a joke.
i was saying... a person can speak how they feel about a religion & the government's short comings without fear of being sent off to prison while his family suffers without him. we are talking about a activist who spoke his mind. in saudi arabia one cannot speak freely about islam in any sort of negative or wishful changing manner. iran, the country itself means, 'republic of islam', yes?
government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?
"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?[/quotOe]
Who is Nez Pearce? The Indians, some peaceful, some brutal fighters Americans "celebrate" with Apache helicopters, ironic, no? The redskins, that is derogatory? Americans wiped them out, they are no longer a threat...the common people were complicit, bad news stories?
The Redskins name in particular is regularly and rightfully protested against. The POTUS himself recently chimed in the issue. No one is dragged off to jail for such criticisms.
The topic of Islam and the treatment of women in the Muslim world is a sensitive one. I understand the first reaction to be defensive when these topics come up. Religions in general are often a difficult thing to discuss. I don't think looking for similar examples in American history adds much to the discussion though. Today, in 2013, women are being charged with adultery, given sham trials, and sentenced to death by public stoning. Death by public stoning. This should be shocking and sickening to us all. Wherever it is happening in the world, in whatever culture it is happening, it should be condemned.
the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.
the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania
state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.
so what do we know about mixing religion & state?
is this your response to my post chad??? or are you just choosing to ignore what I said?? but having posted this surely you can see now that iran doesn't mean 'republic of islam' otherwise iran would be the Islamic republic of Islamic republic and that just sounds dumb, don't you think?
but fyi the largest muslim country on earth isn't the Islamic republic of anything... its just Indonesia.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I wouldn't bother if I were you, as I said earlier he completely ignores any information that doesn't fit with his preconceived perceptions of the world. He's not being intellectually honest at all, he's just trying to upset you guys.
the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.
the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania
state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.
so what do we know about mixing religion & state?
is this your response to my post chad??? or are you just choosing to ignore what I said?? but having posted this surely you can see now that iran doesn't mean 'republic of islam' otherwise iran would be the Islamic republic of Islamic republic and that just sounds dumb, don't you think?
but fyi the largest muslim country on earth isn't the Islamic republic of anything... its just Indonesia.
that is my response. in your above post, was there a question? you are right the word 'iran' does not mean 'the islamic republic of'
what iran is though is the republic of islam. yes indonesia is a huge islamic following. over the years i've found that interesting. at first i was surprised a bit as i thought they would be hindu or buddhist. it's cool, whatever floats their boats. i like buddhism & hinduism, great artwork & interesting stuff going on, from what i know of it. which would you like to even slightly practice, cate: buddhism, hinduism, or islamic beliefs? i ask this because i've read that you are atheist or agnostic, i'm not sure which as i can't remember.
i myself feel 100% there is a higher power & there are many & they are all one. i believe a lot of things others may not, like the earth being a god - nature - the raw earth, the universe a god, things we have no idea about like other dimensions layed around this one we live in
i just find it funny i am slammed around for asking questions about islam. i'm told i'm closed minded & other things. closed minded? wow! that is a reach. saying i am closed minded is so insane i cannot explain how bizarre that is as i am one of the most open minded people around.
every single living thing on this planet has a spirit/soul. bees, moss, grass, trees, water, flowers & air. "chadwick, you are closed minded." .... "now stop asking questions that irritate others & just keep these questions to yourself"
everything is connected right down the fucking line & everything deserves a life filled with their own version of happiness as long as others are not hurt.
I wouldn't bother if I were you, as I said earlier he completely ignores any information that doesn't fit with his preconceived perceptions of the world. He's not being intellectually honest at all, he's just trying to upset you guys.
but you being yourself, you do bother, but if you were catefrances you wouldn't bother, yes/no?
my preconceived perceptions of the world are incredible ones. i want to know about everything with even having this learning disability i have, my brain is like a sponge as i soak up knowledge on a daily basis, spiritually & academically. love me some math & science. my entertainment is learning & writing. you & i both have no fucking idea what you are on about.
I wouldn't bother if I were you, as I said earlier he completely ignores any information that doesn't fit with his preconceived perceptions of the world. He's not being intellectually honest at all, he's just trying to upset you guys.
but you being yourself, you do bother, but if you were catefrances you wouldn't bother, yes/no?
my preconceived perceptions of the world are incredible ones. i want to know about everything with even having this learning disability i have, my brain is like a sponge as i soak up knowledge on a daily basis, spiritually & academically. love me some math & science. my entertainment is learning & writing. you & i both have no fucking idea what you are on about.
its from wiki, but can be sourced elsewhere , I thought it interesting and worth the read cond=sidering the bolded statement above.
Religion
Main article: Religion in Iran
Imam Reza shrine in Mashhad, one of the most important religious places in Iran.
Religion in Iran is dominated by the Twelver Shia branch of Islam, which is the official state religion and to which about 90% to 95%[177][178] of Iranians belong. About 4% to 8% of Iranians belong to the Sunni branch of Islam, mainly Kurds and Iran's Balochi Sunni. The remaining 2% are non-Muslim religious minorities, including Bahá'ís, Mandeans, Hindus, Yezidis, Yarsanis, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Christians.[20]
The latter three minority religions are officially recognized and protected, and have reserved seats in the Parliament (Majlis) . However the Bahá'í Faith, Iran's largest religious minority,[179] is not officially recognized, and has been persecuted during its existence in Iran since the 19th century. Since the 1979 revolution the persecution of Bahá'ís has increased with executions, the denial of civil rights and liberties, and the denial of access to higher education and employment.[180][181][182]
Culture
Main article: Culture of Iran
See also: Persian mythology, Iranian studies, Persian garden, and Media of Iran
"Two Herons with Ducks", 14th-century illustration
Iranian culture has long been a predominant culture of the region, with Persian considered the language of intellectuals during much of the 2nd millennium, and the language of religion and the populace before that.
The Sassanid era was an important and influential historical period in Iran as Iranian culture influenced China, India and Roman civilization considerably,[183] and so influenced as far as Western Europe and Africa.[184] This influence played a prominent role in the formation of both Asiatic and European medieval art.[185] This influence carried forward to the Islamic world. Much of what later became known as Islamic learning, such as philology, literature, jurisprudence, philosophy, medicine, architecture and the sciences were based on some of the practises taken from the Sassanid Persians to the broader Muslim world.[186][187][188] Daily life in modern Iran is closely interwoven with Shia Islam and the country's art, literature, and architecture are an ever-present reminder of its deep national tradition and of a broader literary culture.[188][189]
The Iranian New Year (Nowruz) is an ancient tradition celebrated on 21 March to mark the beginning of spring in Iran. Nowruz was registered on the list of Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity[190] and described as the Persian New Year[191][192][193][194] by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) in 2009.
Arts and literature
Main articles: Iranian architecture and Iranian art
Tiles of Sheikh Lotf Allah Mosque
Iran is home to one of the richest artistic traditions in world history and encompasses many disciplines, including architecture, painting, weaving, pottery, calligraphy, metalworking and stonemasonry. Carpet-weaving is one of the most distinguished manifestations of Persian culture and art, and dates back to ancient Persia. Persians were among the first to use mathematics, geometry, and astronomy in architecture and also have extraordinary skills in making massive domes which can be seen frequently in the structure of bazaars and mosques. This greatly inspired the architecture of Iran's neighbors as well. The main building types of classical Iranian architecture are the mosque and the palace. Besides being home to a large number of art houses and galleries, Iran also holds one of the largest and most valuable jewel collections in the world.
Iran ranks seventh among countries in the world with the most archeological architectural ruins and attractions from antiquity as recognized by UNESCO.[195] Fifteen of UNESCO's World Heritage Sites are creations of Iranian architecture.
Poetry is used in many Persian classical works, whether from literature, science, or metaphysics. Persian literature has been considered by such thinkers as Goethe as one of the four main bodies of world literature.[196] The Persian language has produced a number of famous poets; however, only a few poets as Rumi and Omar Khayyám have surfaced among western popular readership, even though the likes of Hafiz, Saadi, Nizami,[197] Attar, Sanai, Nasir Khusraw and Jami are considered by many Iranians to be just as influential.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
the islamic republic is found in pakistan, iran, afghanistan & mauritania. mauritania is a country found in west africa.
the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania
state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.
so what do we know about mixing religion & state?
is this your response to my post chad??? or are you just choosing to ignore what I said?? but having posted this surely you can see now that iran doesn't mean 'republic of islam' otherwise iran would be the Islamic republic of Islamic republic and that just sounds dumb, don't you think?
but fyi the largest muslim country on earth isn't the Islamic republic of anything... its just Indonesia.
that is my response. in your above post, was there a question? you are right the word 'iran' does not mean 'the islamic republic of'
what iran is though is the republic of islam. yes indonesia is a huge islamic following. over the years i've found that interesting. at first i was surprised a bit as i thought they would be hindu or buddhist. it's cool, whatever floats their boats. i like buddhism & hinduism, great artwork & interesting stuff going on, from what i know of it. which would you like to even slightly practice, cate: buddhism, hinduism, or islamic beliefs? i ask this because i've read that you are atheist or agnostic, i'm not sure which as i can't remember.
i myself feel 100% there is a higher power & there are many & they are all one. i believe a lot of things others may not, like the earth being a god - nature - the raw earth, the universe a god, things we have no idea about like other dimensions layed around this one we live in
i just find it funny i am slammed around for asking questions about islam. i'm told i'm closed minded & other things. closed minded? wow! that is a reach. saying i am closed minded is so insane i cannot explain how bizarre that is as i am one of the most open minded people around.
every single living thing on this planet has a spirit/soul. bees, moss, grass, trees, water, flowers & air. "chadwick, you are closed minded." .... "now stop asking questions that irritate others & just keep these questions to yourself"
everything is connected right down the fucking line & everything deserves a life filled with their own version of happiness as long as others are not hurt.
"close minded" - chadwick
questions asked and answered chad.
I am atheistic. I see buddism as more a philosophy than a religion.. i love the idea that we all have the potential to become buddhas... and that the path to that is though right living. i have come to the conclusion through my reading over the entirety of my life that the way i live my life, the thoughts i think and my attitude towards life comes closest to the buddhist philosophy. its not something i have chosen to consciously seek out, nor would i identify as a buddist(because im not... there is too much depravation within the Buddhist philosophy for me) but it simply seems to be the way my life has unfolded.
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Its bullshit ... they do treat woman differently. Personal experience of my wife ... while working at a factory she had a recently hire immigrant of Muslim faith tell her "she had no right working there, and should be home taking care of her household duties" ... I told her to file a complaint and get his ass terminated, she would not not, she's far nicer than me . And more recently her employer hired some recent refugees on some kind of government program and one was of the muslim faith and a female co - worker went to shake his hand and he refused ... spouting off some bullshit about his religion. Wish I was there to laugh in his face.
And why didn't you go and defend your wife's honor or speak up for her? No brainer for me. Someone insults my wife I'd have no prob defending her. You choose not to. Says a lot. We get it, you dnt like Islam and all religions. No prob, doesn't mean I wouldn't stand next to you at a show.
I'm sure you meant no harm in this, but I don't think his wife needs anyone to defend her honor. I'm sure she's perfectly capable of handling that situation on her own or she would've asked him for help.
Its bullshit ... they do treat woman differently. Personal experience of my wife ... while working at a factory she had a recently hire immigrant of Muslim faith tell her "she had no right working there, and should be home taking care of her household duties" ... I told her to file a complaint and get his ass terminated, she would not not, she's far nicer than me . And more recently her employer hired some recent refugees on some kind of government program and one was of the muslim faith and a female co - worker went to shake his hand and he refused ... spouting off some bullshit about his religion. Wish I was there to laugh in his face.
This post is filled with so many problems. I mean even the most obvious example is the third fucking word of the post. Notice how you say "THEY" treat women differently, only to provide us with anecdotal evidence. And yet no one seems to have really called this out in this thread.
Can anyone here imagine if I said black people do something differently from us and then went on to provide some random anecdotal evidence? Or Asians? Or ANYONE? Why is it ok when it comes to Muslims? Because they're just so weird and foreign to us that it's OK?
You know, the "problem" with black people is "they" are too prone to criminal activity. The "problem" with Asians (or should I say "Chinamen", Dude?) is "they" open too many dry cleaners in the U.S. without learning how to speak our language so it gets frustrating to explain to them that I need that wine stain out without having the actual shirt fucked up. The "problem" with white people is "they" like guns and shooting rampages and Wes Andersen films too fucking much.
I mean, seriously? Is this type of talk actually tolerated here, and engaged with as if it's a legitimate point?
^^^^^^^
that isn't the same thing & i am sure as shit you are reaching quite far into your little cookie jar or wild bag of tricks with a post like that.
first of all just to point something out... muslims, asians, blacks & white?
asians is a religion?
blacks & white are a religion?
muslims are a race/skin tone?
anyway... whatever, man
What are you talking about? These are all identities that represent a wide range of people. That's enough to make the comparison. It's a "category", and people here, including most especially you, are reducing the multipolarity that exists within to a single narrative and stereotype.
Do you have anything worthwhile to actually contribute to the discussion here? It looks like all you do is state your opinion, receive a response, then just restate your original opinion with the brilliant addition of a casual "whatever bro".
why did they park a vehicle on top of a hungry 8 year old boy's forearm after he was caught steeling bread from the market? i was told on here that islam does not chop off the hand of a thief but will chop off the hand of a greedy person. i then looked that stuff up, i did some research & found that steeling in iran & wherever else gets a hand chopped the heck off.
in fact, some just go ahead & have their healthy, fine working hand removed just to show god & other people they are willing to suffer & stuggle through life for god; they are dedicated & want to make it known.
yes they are not all this radical. this here is radical bizarre & cruel behavior.
first of all just to point something out... muslims, asians, blacks & white?
asians is a religion?
blacks & white are a religion?
muslims are a race/skin tone?
anyway... whatever, man
What are you talking about? These are all identities that represent a wide range of people. That's enough to make the comparison. It's a "category", and people here, including most especially you, are reducing the multipolarity that exists within to a single narrative and stereotype.
Do you have anything worthwhile to actually contribute to the discussion here? It looks like all you do is state your opinion, receive a response, then just restate your original opinion with the brilliant addition of a casual "whatever bro".
nice screen name
i actually use the word a lot throughout the day
yes, sir, i contribute to this thread. i've stated many times i could learn from some muslim gentleman like 'imam siraj wahhaj' & that i listen to his work from time to time. hell, i contribute a great deal to this fucking site & have made friends worldwide. my favorite section & second home is the poetry forum; it is a wonderful world in there, to bad many here do not open the door
as i was signing off i typed in 'imam' to find & learn the exact definition. on my end i am thinking it is like a priest or something. this video title grabbed my eyes & was right on top, so i clicked, watched & listened
i then googled 'imam'
a 'imam' is a guide in a mosque & leads the gathers through worship services. they do other things as well. i'll read about that tomorrow. a short walk & bedtime are near. goodnight & sleep well, all.
why did they park a vehicle on top of a hungry 8 year old boy's forearm after he was caught steeling bread from the market? i was told on here that islam does not chop off the hand of a thief but will chop off the hand of a greedy person. i then looked that stuff up, i did some research & found that steeling in iran & wherever else gets a hand chopped the heck off.
in fact, some just go ahead & have their healthy, fine working hand removed just to show god & other people they are willing to suffer & stuggle through life for god; they are dedicated & want to make it known.
yes they are not all this radical. this here is radical bizarre & cruel behavior.
theres that THEY again. who is this they you speak of? I would say that they are arseholes.. nothing other than that. but its certainly convenient for ones argument, no matter how tenuous it is, to brush all muslims with the same broad strokes and paint the lot of them(and their religion) as barbaric cause its so much easier than separating them into the individuals they are and making them accountable for their own behaviour. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped and abused by a Christian but we seem to be able to separate brian mitchell from the faith he bastardised in order to justify his actions... so why do we have such difficulty in separating those muslims who use their religion as an excuse for extremely bad behaviour???
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
why did they park a vehicle on top of a hungry 8 year old boy's forearm after he was caught steeling bread from the market? i was told on here that islam does not chop off the hand of a thief but will chop off the hand of a greedy person. i then looked that stuff up, i did some research & found that steeling in iran & wherever else gets a hand chopped the heck off.
in fact, some just go ahead & have their healthy, fine working hand removed just to show god & other people they are willing to suffer & stuggle through life for god; they are dedicated & want to make it known.
yes they are not all this radical. this here is radical bizarre & cruel behavior.
theres that THEY again. who is this they you speak of? I would say that they are arseholes.. nothing other than that. but its certainly convenient for ones argument, no matter how tenuous it is, to brush all muslims with the same broad strokes and paint the lot of them(and their religion) as barbaric cause its so much easier than separating them into the individuals they are and making them accountable for their own behaviour. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped and abused by a Christian but we seem to be able to separate brian mitchell from the faith he bastardised in order to justify his actions... so why do we have such difficulty in separating those muslims who use their religion as an excuse for extremely bad behaviour???
Many either cant seperate or dont have a desire to seperate behaviour from a belief system. Its much much easier to generalize. Then a person doesnt have ot think critically.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
why did they park a vehicle on top of a hungry 8 year old boy's forearm after he was caught steeling bread from the market? i was told on here that islam does not chop off the hand of a thief but will chop off the hand of a greedy person. i then looked that stuff up, i did some research & found that steeling in iran & wherever else gets a hand chopped the heck off.
in fact, some just go ahead & have their healthy, fine working hand removed just to show god & other people they are willing to suffer & stuggle through life for god; they are dedicated & want to make it known.
yes they are not all this radical. this here is radical bizarre & cruel behavior.
theres that THEY again. who is this they you speak of? I would say that they are arseholes.. nothing other than that. but its certainly convenient for ones argument, no matter how tenuous it is, to brush all muslims with the same broad strokes and paint the lot of them(and their religion) as barbaric cause its so much easier than separating them into the individuals they are and making them accountable for their own behaviour. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped and abused by a Christian but we seem to be able to separate brian mitchell from the faith he bastardised in order to justify his actions... so why do we have such difficulty in separating those muslims who use their religion as an excuse for extremely bad behaviour???
of course i seperate whack job muslims from peaceful & level headed muslims. this still begs the question, "why are they, 'they', 'the whack job muslims w/ extreme punishment tactics' blended with peaceful muslims & viewed as one, more importantly, why do 'they' practice nasty punishment tactics ? i never not for one second viewed all muslims as the same. that would be ridiculous
peaceful level headed muslims vs' extreme punishment whacky muslims, yes there is a difference.
Many either cant seperate or dont have a desire to seperate behaviour from a belief system. Its much much easier to generalize. Then a person doesnt have ot think critically.
This is a problem we see in almost every thread on AMT.
Many either cant seperate or dont have a desire to seperate behaviour from a belief system. Its much much easier to generalize. Then a person doesnt have ot think critically.
This is a problem we see in almost every thread on AMT.
The Redskins name in particular is regularly and rightfully protested against. The POTUS himself recently chimed in the issue. No one is dragged off to jail for such criticisms.
The topic of Islam and the treatment of women in the Muslim world is a sensitive one. I understand the first reaction to be defensive when these topics come up. Religions in general are often a difficult thing to discuss. I don't think looking for similar examples in American history adds much to the discussion though. Today, in 2013, women are being charged with adultery, given sham trials, and sentenced to death by public stoning. Death by public stoning. This should be shocking and sickening to us all. Wherever it is happening in the world, in whatever culture it is happening, it should be condemned.
My point has been missed, and I was not trying to condone anything.There is no one on here including myself who has condoned the practice, what more of a condemnation could there be when Muslims have said that this is not Islam, that is the practice of a patriarchal society who has sought to use and misuse power. Where in the US constitution does it say that innocent men should be electrocuted until their eyeballs fall out, but it has indeed happened because of men in power have interpretated a document meant to bring to heel the abuses and oppression of the masses as free reign to execute poor minorities. I think given the injustice in the world, the East and West, we all have work to do.
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Absolutely no positive stories. We are all bloodthirsty lust driven savages, but our land and resources are good... maybe we will all be wiped out and in 400 years you can name baseball teams and military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. What a joke.
government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?
"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
ive read sources that say iran means noble. that is has always been used throughout its long history by those who call/ed themselves iranians. that it is cognant with a similar word in Sanskrit and with the word, aryan, which itself has evolved negative connotations.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
government & religion intertwined... that is dangerous is it not?
"name baseball teams & military helicopters after us...and quote us in your signatures. what a joke."
say what?[/quotOe]
Who is Nez Pearce? The Indians, some peaceful, some brutal fighters Americans "celebrate" with Apache helicopters, ironic, no? The redskins, that is derogatory? Americans wiped them out, they are no longer a threat...the common people were complicit, bad news stories?
the islamic republic of pakistan
the islamic republic of iran
the islamic republic of afghanistan
the islamic republic of mauritania
state & religion intertwine. it is understood that this is dangerous. it is even done in the us with "in god we trust" on our money.
so what do we know about mixing religion & state?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The topic of Islam and the treatment of women in the Muslim world is a sensitive one. I understand the first reaction to be defensive when these topics come up. Religions in general are often a difficult thing to discuss. I don't think looking for similar examples in American history adds much to the discussion though. Today, in 2013, women are being charged with adultery, given sham trials, and sentenced to death by public stoning. Death by public stoning. This should be shocking and sickening to us all. Wherever it is happening in the world, in whatever culture it is happening, it should be condemned.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
can you name countries dominated by muslims....and those countires allow for freedom of religion - speech - protection under the law?
just a thought.
is this your response to my post chad??? or are you just choosing to ignore what I said?? but having posted this surely you can see now that iran doesn't mean 'republic of islam' otherwise iran would be the Islamic republic of Islamic republic and that just sounds dumb, don't you think?
but fyi the largest muslim country on earth isn't the Islamic republic of anything... its just Indonesia.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
that is my response. in your above post, was there a question? you are right the word 'iran' does not mean 'the islamic republic of'
what iran is though is the republic of islam. yes indonesia is a huge islamic following. over the years i've found that interesting. at first i was surprised a bit as i thought they would be hindu or buddhist. it's cool, whatever floats their boats. i like buddhism & hinduism, great artwork & interesting stuff going on, from what i know of it. which would you like to even slightly practice, cate: buddhism, hinduism, or islamic beliefs? i ask this because i've read that you are atheist or agnostic, i'm not sure which as i can't remember.
i myself feel 100% there is a higher power & there are many & they are all one. i believe a lot of things others may not, like the earth being a god - nature - the raw earth, the universe a god, things we have no idea about like other dimensions layed around this one we live in
i just find it funny i am slammed around for asking questions about islam. i'm told i'm closed minded & other things. closed minded? wow! that is a reach. saying i am closed minded is so insane i cannot explain how bizarre that is as i am one of the most open minded people around.
every single living thing on this planet has a spirit/soul. bees, moss, grass, trees, water, flowers & air. "chadwick, you are closed minded." .... "now stop asking questions that irritate others & just keep these questions to yourself"
everything is connected right down the fucking line & everything deserves a life filled with their own version of happiness as long as others are not hurt.
"close minded" - chadwick
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
my preconceived perceptions of the world are incredible ones. i want to know about everything with even having this learning disability i have, my brain is like a sponge as i soak up knowledge on a daily basis, spiritually & academically. love me some math & science. my entertainment is learning & writing. you & i both have no fucking idea what you are on about.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Religion
Main article: Religion in Iran
Imam Reza shrine in Mashhad, one of the most important religious places in Iran.
Religion in Iran is dominated by the Twelver Shia branch of Islam, which is the official state religion and to which about 90% to 95%[177][178] of Iranians belong. About 4% to 8% of Iranians belong to the Sunni branch of Islam, mainly Kurds and Iran's Balochi Sunni. The remaining 2% are non-Muslim religious minorities, including Bahá'ís, Mandeans, Hindus, Yezidis, Yarsanis, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Christians.[20]
The latter three minority religions are officially recognized and protected, and have reserved seats in the Parliament (Majlis) . However the Bahá'í Faith, Iran's largest religious minority,[179] is not officially recognized, and has been persecuted during its existence in Iran since the 19th century. Since the 1979 revolution the persecution of Bahá'ís has increased with executions, the denial of civil rights and liberties, and the denial of access to higher education and employment.[180][181][182]
Culture
Main article: Culture of Iran
See also: Persian mythology, Iranian studies, Persian garden, and Media of Iran
"Two Herons with Ducks", 14th-century illustration
Iranian culture has long been a predominant culture of the region, with Persian considered the language of intellectuals during much of the 2nd millennium, and the language of religion and the populace before that.
The Sassanid era was an important and influential historical period in Iran as Iranian culture influenced China, India and Roman civilization considerably,[183] and so influenced as far as Western Europe and Africa.[184] This influence played a prominent role in the formation of both Asiatic and European medieval art.[185] This influence carried forward to the Islamic world. Much of what later became known as Islamic learning, such as philology, literature, jurisprudence, philosophy, medicine, architecture and the sciences were based on some of the practises taken from the Sassanid Persians to the broader Muslim world.[186][187][188] Daily life in modern Iran is closely interwoven with Shia Islam and the country's art, literature, and architecture are an ever-present reminder of its deep national tradition and of a broader literary culture.[188][189]
The Iranian New Year (Nowruz) is an ancient tradition celebrated on 21 March to mark the beginning of spring in Iran. Nowruz was registered on the list of Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity[190] and described as the Persian New Year[191][192][193][194] by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) in 2009.
Arts and literature
Main articles: Iranian architecture and Iranian art
Tiles of Sheikh Lotf Allah Mosque
Iran is home to one of the richest artistic traditions in world history and encompasses many disciplines, including architecture, painting, weaving, pottery, calligraphy, metalworking and stonemasonry. Carpet-weaving is one of the most distinguished manifestations of Persian culture and art, and dates back to ancient Persia. Persians were among the first to use mathematics, geometry, and astronomy in architecture and also have extraordinary skills in making massive domes which can be seen frequently in the structure of bazaars and mosques. This greatly inspired the architecture of Iran's neighbors as well. The main building types of classical Iranian architecture are the mosque and the palace. Besides being home to a large number of art houses and galleries, Iran also holds one of the largest and most valuable jewel collections in the world.
Iran ranks seventh among countries in the world with the most archeological architectural ruins and attractions from antiquity as recognized by UNESCO.[195] Fifteen of UNESCO's World Heritage Sites are creations of Iranian architecture.
Poetry is used in many Persian classical works, whether from literature, science, or metaphysics. Persian literature has been considered by such thinkers as Goethe as one of the four main bodies of world literature.[196] The Persian language has produced a number of famous poets; however, only a few poets as Rumi and Omar Khayyám have surfaced among western popular readership, even though the likes of Hafiz, Saadi, Nizami,[197] Attar, Sanai, Nasir Khusraw and Jami are considered by many Iranians to be just as influential.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
questions asked and answered chad.
I am atheistic. I see buddism as more a philosophy than a religion.. i love the idea that we all have the potential to become buddhas... and that the path to that is though right living. i have come to the conclusion through my reading over the entirety of my life that the way i live my life, the thoughts i think and my attitude towards life comes closest to the buddhist philosophy. its not something i have chosen to consciously seek out, nor would i identify as a buddist(because im not... there is too much depravation within the Buddhist philosophy for me) but it simply seems to be the way my life has unfolded.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I'm sure you meant no harm in this, but I don't think his wife needs anyone to defend her honor. I'm sure she's perfectly capable of handling that situation on her own or she would've asked him for help.
Can anyone here imagine if I said black people do something differently from us and then went on to provide some random anecdotal evidence? Or Asians? Or ANYONE? Why is it ok when it comes to Muslims? Because they're just so weird and foreign to us that it's OK?
You know, the "problem" with black people is "they" are too prone to criminal activity. The "problem" with Asians (or should I say "Chinamen", Dude?) is "they" open too many dry cleaners in the U.S. without learning how to speak our language so it gets frustrating to explain to them that I need that wine stain out without having the actual shirt fucked up. The "problem" with white people is "they" like guns and shooting rampages and Wes Andersen films too fucking much.
I mean, seriously? Is this type of talk actually tolerated here, and engaged with as if it's a legitimate point?
that isn't the same thing & i am sure as shit you are reaching quite far into your little cookie jar or wild bag of tricks with a post like that.
i'll reread it a few times just to make sure.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
asians is a religion?
blacks & white are a religion?
muslims are a race/skin tone?
anyway... whatever, man
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Do you have anything worthwhile to actually contribute to the discussion here? It looks like all you do is state your opinion, receive a response, then just restate your original opinion with the brilliant addition of a casual "whatever bro".
in fact, some just go ahead & have their healthy, fine working hand removed just to show god & other people they are willing to suffer & stuggle through life for god; they are dedicated & want to make it known.
yes they are not all this radical. this here is radical bizarre & cruel behavior.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
nice screen name
i actually use the word a lot throughout the day
yes, sir, i contribute to this thread. i've stated many times i could learn from some muslim gentleman like 'imam siraj wahhaj' & that i listen to his work from time to time. hell, i contribute a great deal to this fucking site & have made friends worldwide. my favorite section & second home is the poetry forum; it is a wonderful world in there, to bad many here do not open the door
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://youtu.be/ibmaiIGr56w
this is for real, yes/no?
http://youtu.be/Dtfi0LGvYR8
i then googled 'imam'
a 'imam' is a guide in a mosque & leads the gathers through worship services. they do other things as well. i'll read about that tomorrow. a short walk & bedtime are near. goodnight & sleep well, all.
be well
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
theres that THEY again. who is this they you speak of? I would say that they are arseholes.. nothing other than that. but its certainly convenient for ones argument, no matter how tenuous it is, to brush all muslims with the same broad strokes and paint the lot of them(and their religion) as barbaric cause its so much easier than separating them into the individuals they are and making them accountable for their own behaviour. Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped and abused by a Christian but we seem to be able to separate brian mitchell from the faith he bastardised in order to justify his actions... so why do we have such difficulty in separating those muslims who use their religion as an excuse for extremely bad behaviour???
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Many either cant seperate or dont have a desire to seperate behaviour from a belief system. Its much much easier to generalize. Then a person doesnt have ot think critically.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
of course i seperate whack job muslims from peaceful & level headed muslims. this still begs the question, "why are they, 'they', 'the whack job muslims w/ extreme punishment tactics' blended with peaceful muslims & viewed as one, more importantly, why do 'they' practice nasty punishment tactics ? i never not for one second viewed all muslims as the same. that would be ridiculous
peaceful level headed muslims vs' extreme punishment whacky muslims, yes there is a difference.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
This is a problem we see in almost every thread on AMT.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
My point has been missed, and I was not trying to condone anything.There is no one on here including myself who has condoned the practice, what more of a condemnation could there be when Muslims have said that this is not Islam, that is the practice of a patriarchal society who has sought to use and misuse power. Where in the US constitution does it say that innocent men should be electrocuted until their eyeballs fall out, but it has indeed happened because of men in power have interpretated a document meant to bring to heel the abuses and oppression of the masses as free reign to execute poor minorities. I think given the injustice in the world, the East and West, we all have work to do.