These are real events that happened...and are still happening. Does not matter what site they are posted on as long as it is true.
Chadwick asked ........i'd love it if a muslim or very well knowledged individuals shown some enlightenment on these questions i've presented
So the Muslims on here say ......oh that doesn't happen if it does it's hardly ever. Can you be real? We want to know why they rape and marry children? Why are they trying to take over the world? Why do they rape young boys yet kill homosexuals? What makes them believe it is okay? I still believe these are the extremist but when non extreme muslims are practising taqiyya how is a person to know.
and can you post a link were they show how they assimilate in the non Muslim countries.
why do priests swear allegiance to god by being celibate, but then rape young boys?
Not to mention this is hardly a 'rare' occurrence. This has been documented to near epidemic proportion.
Catholicism enables this form of pedophilia because priests just need to say "Sorry" and flutter their hands around their hearts and all is forgiven!
Don't forget that its not just Catholic Priests that are known for abusing and raping young boys
Christian clergy of all types have been doing it for centuries
The Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Protestants, Presbyterians, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc...
have all been known to abuse young children and then have the ministers be transferred from parish to parish in hopes of it going away
Those other so called religious men in other churches are condemned by all, even their own followers of the religion. Muhammad had a child bride...the religion of peace, Islam condones rape.
Even on this site your excuse for this atrocity is "well other religions do it". Why do you not condemn what has been done to the muslim women, children and infidels?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Verse 4:24
Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
after she becomes captive
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Those other so called religious men in other churches are condemned by all, even their own followers of the religion. Muhammad had a child bride...the religion of peace, Islam condones rape.
Even on this site your excuse for this atrocity is "well other religions do it". Why do you not condemn what has been done to the muslim women, children and infidels?
I think it has been consensus that all people within organized religion that rape their women and children are bastards.
By alluding to other religions, people have basically been saying to not forget religions such as yours (Christianity) when you spew your hate, Aerial. Men of the cloth have raped small boys for centuries now. Some Christian groups practice polygamy where women amount to sex slaves. So when you say ridiculous things like, "This religion seems to be all about sex"... some could contend that all religions have a lustful component to them.
And when you say ridiculous things like, "Islam condones rape"... look back at the past few posts and read how, for example, the Catholic Church condones rape as well: by hushing people, relocating people, and- most ridiculously- having the pedophile priest say sorry and perform a few goofy hand maneuvers to make all good.
but it is a fact that we've been given not a single ounce of enlightenment on this topic. some have given decent explainations but they are surface words.
hands removed, heads removed, women stoned to death because they were raped. men are pretty much free to abuse women & girls is what i was asking the truth about. why are young girls given to grown ass men? culture/religion... whatever it is they seem to always go back to the good book as their guide.
hungry? steal a fig & see what happens to your hand in many places where they are not playing games. an 8 year old girl died on her wedding night because of sexual intercourse.... what the fuck is going on?
what is the guide to the cultures of islamic followers?
but it is a fact that we've been given not a single ounce of enlightenment on this topic. some have given decent explainations but they are surface words.
hands removed, heads removed, women stoned to death because they were raped. men are pretty much free to abuse women & girls is what i was asking the truth about. why are young girls given to grown ass men? culture/religion... whatever it is they seem to always go back to the good book as their guide.
hungry? steal a fig & see what happens to your hand in many places where they are not playing games. an 8 year old girl died on her wedding night because of sexual intercourse.... what the fuck is going on?
what is the guide to the cultures of islamic followers?
Chadwick you ask good questions but you are not going to find your answers here. For the most part you will only get responses that are based on heresay, rumours, bigotry, hatred, and ignorance.
My suggestion is go to your local mosque and ask the Iman. Or go to your local college or university that has a dept of mideast or islamic studies and ask one of the professors.
Besides this thread is sure to he locked soon because of the hateful and offensive posts.
im in rural iowa, we have no mosques, although i wish we did. i'd also like a buddhist temple but i don't see either one coming anytime soon in my area. asking a mideast/islamic studies professor at a college/university is a good idea.
i'd like to think we can seek further knowledge on here as this is supposed to be a place for learning something.
im in rural iowa, we have no mosques, although i wish we did. i'd also like a buddhist temple but i don't see either one coming anytime soon in my area. asking a mideast/islamic studies professor at a college/university is a good idea.
i'd like to think we can seek further knowledge on here as this is supposed to be a place for learning something.
of course thats possible Chad. One requirement though is an open mind. as Cate said , form your own judgement from your research. Look at all of it, not just the bad.
At our core we are tribal creatures us humans, Some are just bigger than others. "you dont look like me, makes you suspect" "You dont pray like me makes you suspect" " you dont THINK like me makes you suspect" " you dont VOTE like me makes you suspect" Same the world over buddy.
Some seek to overlook/overcome such tribalism. For others , that doesnt fit the selfish agenda.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
im in rural iowa, we have no mosques, although i wish we did. i'd also like a buddhist temple but i don't see either one coming anytime soon in my area. asking a mideast/islamic studies professor at a college/university is a good idea.
i'd like to think we can seek further knowledge on here as this is supposed to be a place for learning something.
of course thats possible Chad. One requirement though is an open mind. as Cate said , form your own judgement from your research. Look at all of it, not just the bad.
At our core we are tribal creatures us humans, Some are just bigger than others. "you dont look like me, makes you suspect" "You dont pray like me makes you suspect" " you dont THINK like me makes you suspect" " you dont VOTE like me makes you suspect" Same the world over buddy.
Some seek to overlook/overcome such tribalism. For others , that doesnt fit the selfish agenda.
im in rural iowa, we have no mosques, although i wish we did. i'd also like a buddhist temple but i don't see either one coming anytime soon in my area. asking a mideast/islamic studies professor at a college/university is a good idea.
i'd like to think we can seek further knowledge on here as this is supposed to be a place for learning something.
of course thats possible Chad. One requirement though is an open mind. as Cate said , form your own judgement from your research. Look at all of it, not just the bad.
At our core we are tribal creatures us humans, Some are just bigger than others. "you dont look like me, makes you suspect" "You dont pray like me makes you suspect" " you dont THINK like me makes you suspect" " you dont VOTE like me makes you suspect" Same the world over buddy.
Some seek to overlook/overcome such tribalism. For others , that doesnt fit the selfish agenda.
i am open minded & do not focus on only the bad as good thrives beyond evil. for now my research is here asking my online peers who love music like i do. i feel trust & knowledge is alive & well here. although some here i do not trust, they are a minute percentage.
i am big on women & children being treated well & as equals. again & again, why are raped & tortured women stoned to death? culture? religion? the guide of their lives, of their cultures are what?
but it is a fact that we've been given not a single ounce of enlightenment on this topic. some have given decent explainations but they are surface words.
hands removed, heads removed, women stoned to death because they were raped. men are pretty much free to abuse women & girls is what i was asking the truth about. why are young girls given to grown ass men? culture/religion... whatever it is they seem to always go back to the good book as their guide.
hungry? steal a fig & see what happens to your hand in many places where they are not playing games. an 8 year old girl died on her wedding night because of sexual intercourse.... what the fuck is going on?
what is the guide to the cultures of islamic followers?
Sorry Chadwick but you're wrong on the stealing aspect. You get caught stealing for hunger, NOT gonna get your hand cut off. It's stealing for greed that gets the job done.
so a greedy gentleman gets a hand chopped off & not a hungry street person. can you give an example of the minimum greed one needs to throw down to receive the sword?
writing bad checks?
a bunk ass politician? these would be keeping a swordsman's work day quite lengthy & full. the swordsman would have to resharpen their blade several times a day.
i am trying my best to think up greedy examples...
a used car salesman selling automobiles with the odometer rolled back, car waxed, detailed, new tires, new oil, set to go? he is busted & proved to have rolled back the mileage on 14 cars & he even admits he has partners who steal cars & they are also hashish smugglers from the mountains in the golden triangle area & they smuggle the hash & heroin in turkey.
someone is going to spend a lifetime in prison, yes? yet you yourself use marijuana & so do millions of others including myself when i can afford it, which isn't hardly ever as i like to eat vs' score a green sack
mr. badbrains, may i ask where you are located? you & i to have a sit down, share a smoke or two & discuss what we know, what we do not know, share what we love, dislike & so on & so forth... sounds good. i crave knowledge about just about everything out there. i would travel the globe if i had the $$$... fuck, i'd eat marijuana butter brownies if i could afford that luxury
so far we basically know that i am not greedy... yes, i am keeping my hands
so a greedy gentleman gets a hand chopped off & not a hungry street person. can you give an example of the minimum greed one needs to throw down to receive the sword?
writing bad checks?
a bunk ass politician? these would be keeping a swordsman's work day quite lengthy & full. the swordsman would have to resharpen their blade several times a day.
i am trying my best to think up greedy examples...
a used car salesman selling automobiles with the odometer rolled back, car waxed, detailed, new tires, new oil, set to go? he is busted & proved to have rolled back the mileage on 14 cars & he even admits he has partners who steal cars & they are also hashish smugglers from the mountains in the golden triangle area & they smuggle the hash & heroin in turkey.
someone is going to spend a lifetime in prison, yes? yet you yourself use marijuana & so do millions of others including myself when i can afford it, which isn't hardly ever as i like to eat vs' score a green sack
mr. badbrains, may i ask where you are located? you & i to have a sit down, share a smoke or two & discuss what we know, what we do not know, share what we love, dislike & so on & so forth... sounds good. i crave knowledge about just about everything out there. i would travel the globe if i had the $$$... fuck, i'd eat marijuana butter brownies if i could afford that luxury
so far we basically know that i am not greedy... yes, i am keeping my hands
Chadwick my friend, you I'd sit down with and have a blast ANYDAY! I'm in dirty jersey so if by chance u are ever around, dnt ever hesitate to hit me up my friend. I'll supply the greens and food to. And ya Chadwick, your hands are safe around me....
new jersey... that place is probably one of the wildest crime ridden areas on the planet.
good luck, sir
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i just want peace like most everyone else living today. i also want to learn things i lack. i am also not going to read the bible or the qur'an or any other religious maze or cluster fuck of headache city pages. it is my weakness. i still learn & get along quite well. i'm an environmental scientist like 10 sons a beaches
read a bible? not hardly. besides, if most religious writing sare quite similar by the way the authors go on, i would find that they all read like a riddle
im in rural iowa, we have no mosques, although i wish we did. i'd also like a buddhist temple but i don't see either one coming anytime soon in my area. asking a mideast/islamic studies professor at a college/university is a good idea.
i'd like to think we can seek further knowledge on here as this is supposed to be a place for learning something.
of course thats possible Chad. One requirement though is an open mind. as Cate said , form your own judgement from your research. Look at all of it, not just the bad.
At our core we are tribal creatures us humans, Some are just bigger than others. "you dont look like me, makes you suspect" "You dont pray like me makes you suspect" " you dont THINK like me makes you suspect" " you dont VOTE like me makes you suspect" Same the world over buddy.
Some seek to overlook/overcome such tribalism. For others , that doesnt fit the selfish agenda.
i am open minded & do not focus on only the bad as good thrives beyond evil. for now my research is here asking my online peers who love music like i do. i feel trust & knowledge is alive & well here. although some here i do not trust, they are a minute percentage.
i am big on women & children being treated well & as equals. again & again, why are raped & tortured women stoned to death? culture? religion? the guide of their lives, of their cultures are what?
I am also big on women and children being treated well and as equals. Women who are raped are not to be punished. There is nothing in the Qu'ran that advocates this, directs this. Women and children are not to be tortured but protected. There is nowhere in the Qu'ran where stoning is mentioned as punishment. Many claim that the religion of Islam disrespects women, that Muslim women are beaten. An example from the life of the Prophet that clearly counters these claims is that a man during the time of the Prophet slapped his slave, who was a female. The Prophet directed that this women be set free as an expiation for the abuse. If any type of rape or abuse were allowed in Islam, an expiation would not have been ordered. An example for the Qu'ran for adultery is that to be punished of adultery that there must be four witnesses of the act. And not just any four witnesses, they must be known as honest and upstanding members of the community. And what four honest and upstanding members would witness the act? Therefore, the punishment of lashes would be near impossible and clearly to serve as a warning on the severity of adultery, it oppresses the soul and it oppresses others. And to paraphrase Tariq Ramadan, There are strict and numerous conditions for a punishment to be given and to betray any of these would be against the teachings of Islam because to do so would produce an injustice. I understand where you are coming from, the US media has done a great job on focusing on the criminal acts of so called Muslims, but yet others are left un-scrutinized. I guess it gives us a chance for an exchange. I know that you and others on this thread know that kids as young as five get arrested in the West Bank and yes get raped/sodomized by their captors. And women are randomly arrested and are abused. It is not uncommon for male Israeli occupation forces to hit women. In Hebron, settlers target women and children. Circumstances in the very least of which women are called sluts by these settlers in front of their children for daring to walk in their own neighborhood and take their kids to school. But I know that thread is coming, right? Let's hope so.
To add to that, there's also a report that the Prophet said something along the lines of, "he who beats his wife and then lays with her is not one of us." In addition to this there's another report where he said, "Seeking knowledge (education) is incumbent upon every Muslim man and woman." It's notable that he said this because in Arabic, words are altered based on gender (thus "Muslim" is technically the masculine form, whereas "Muslima" is the feminine), so the Prophet reportedly said both words, whereas it would only suffice to say "Muslim" to refer to all Muslims. The reason for this is that he clearly wanted to stress that he means women as well. This directly contradicts any supposed notion that Islam prevents women access to education based on nonsense read about the Taliban and all that.
There are strict and numerous conditions for a punishment to be given and to betray any of these would be against the teachings of Islam because to do so would produce an injustice.
Yeah. I talked about this, chadwick, in my post in the other thread, which apparently you did not understand. I recommend you try reading it more than once, though: there are more general principles (justice, equality, etc) which have to be upheld by all the smaller rules within Islam. If any of these rules begin to contradict these general principles (whether it is because the contemporary context is different from the historical one, or for any other reason) then serious reexamination of these rules is necessary to thereby determine their continued applicability. Further, Rudolph Peters in his book Crime and Punishment in Islam says himself that it is virtually impossible for crimes (such as theft, adultery, etc) to be punished unless the perpetrator him/herself confesses to it, because until then there is a concept known as "shubha" (basically means the benefit of the doubt) that the defendant could invoke and thereby escape any punishment, due to the precise nature in which these crimes are defined. As badbrains said, stealing for hunger would not go punished. How can someone prove greed?
These punishments are called in Arabic hudud, which literally can be translated as "limits;" the reason they are called this is because they are limits God has set to prevent things like theft, murder, adultery, etc., from occurring in society, so the punishments mostly exist theoretically.
To add to that, there's also a report that the Prophet said something along the lines of, "he who beats his wife and then lays with her is not one of us." In addition to this there's another report where he said, "Seeking knowledge (education) is incumbent upon every Muslim man and woman." It's notable that he said this because in Arabic, words are altered based on gender (thus "Muslim" is technically the masculine form, whereas "Muslima" is the feminine), so the Prophet reportedly said both words, whereas it would only suffice to say "Muslim" to refer to all Muslims. The reason for this is that he clearly wanted to stress that he means women as well. This directly contradicts any supposed notion that Islam prevents women access to education based on nonsense read about the Taliban and all that.
There are strict and numerous conditions for a punishment to be given and to betray any of these would be against the teachings of Islam because to do so would produce an injustice.
Yeah. I talked about this, chadwick, in my post in the other thread, which apparently you did not understand. I recommend you try reading it more than once, though: there are more general principles (justice, equality, etc) which have to be upheld by all the smaller rules within Islam. If any of these rules begin to contradict these general principles (whether it is because the contemporary context is different from the historical one, or for any other reason) then serious reexamination of these rules is necessary to thereby determine their continued applicability. Further, Rudolph Peters in his book Crime and Punishment in Islam says himself that it is virtually impossible for crimes (such as theft, adultery, etc) to be punished unless the perpetrator him/herself confesses to it, because until then there is a concept known as "shubha" (basically means the benefit of the doubt) that the defendant could invoke and thereby escape any punishment, due to the precise nature in which these crimes are defined. As badbrains said, stealing for hunger would not go punished. How can someone prove greed?
These punishments are called in Arabic hudud, which literally can be translated as "limits;" the reason they are called this is because they are limits God has set to prevent things like theft, murder, adultery, etc., from occurring in society, so the punishments mostly exist theoretically.
So if a woman reports that she has been raped she is confessing ......... who gets punished? and what is the punishment?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
i've to my horror watched here on the internet, news feeds & whatnot, beheadings & stonings. time & time again the reports state... raped woman stoned to death, affair - woman & man both stoned to death, hands removed by sword for stealing... i'll go find some videos
public beatings of women by multiple men with clubs/sticks, hundreds gather for the spectical
To add to that, there's also a report that the Prophet said something along the lines of, "he who beats his wife and then lays with her is not one of us." In addition to this there's another report where he said, "Seeking knowledge (education) is incumbent upon every Muslim man and woman." It's notable that he said this because in Arabic, words are altered based on gender (thus "Muslim" is technically the masculine form, whereas "Muslima" is the feminine), so the Prophet reportedly said both words, whereas it would only suffice to say "Muslim" to refer to all Muslims. The reason for this is that he clearly wanted to stress that he means women as well. This directly contradicts any supposed notion that Islam prevents women access to education based on nonsense read about the Taliban and all that.
There are strict and numerous conditions for a punishment to be given and to betray any of these would be against the teachings of Islam because to do so would produce an injustice.
Yeah. I talked about this, chadwick, in my post in the other thread, which apparently you did not understand. I recommend you try reading it more than once, though: there are more general principles (justice, equality, etc) which have to be upheld by all the smaller rules within Islam. If any of these rules begin to contradict these general principles (whether it is because the contemporary context is different from the historical one, or for any other reason) then serious reexamination of these rules is necessary to thereby determine their continued applicability. Further, Rudolph Peters in his book Crime and Punishment in Islam says himself that it is virtually impossible for crimes (such as theft, adultery, etc) to be punished unless the perpetrator him/herself confesses to it, because until then there is a concept known as "shubha" (basically means the benefit of the doubt) that the defendant could invoke and thereby escape any punishment, due to the precise nature in which these crimes are defined. As badbrains said, stealing for hunger would not go punished. How can someone prove greed?
These punishments are called in Arabic hudud, which literally can be translated as "limits;" the reason they are called this is because they are limits God has set to prevent things like theft, murder, adultery, etc., from occurring in society, so the punishments mostly exist theoretically.
So if a woman reports that she has been raped she is confessing ......... who gets punished? and what is the punishment?
so which is it aerial? Is she REPORTING being raped or confessing to raping a man?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
good idea... let's run a vehicle onto his hand/arm as punishment & use his little limb as a parking spot
nicely done
so what is this sharia law in islam? do not tell me it doesn't exist as it does. i will keep posting these video if we are told it does not happen & it is propaganda
good idea... let's run a vehicle onto his hand/arm as punishment & use his little limb as a parking spot
nicely done
so what is this sharia law in islam? do not tell me it doesn't exist as it does. i will keep posting these video if we are told it does not happen & it is propaganda
you claimed to be open minded. Yet , all that you choose to post are negatives. I woud expect that you could find plenty wrong anywhere.
My request to you is to find the good and post that too.You know, just in the spirit of openmindedness.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Men have been beating and killing their wives since recorded history. Whether they are Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Atheists or whatever. (Disclaimer ....not all men, but some)
Their religion is sometimes just an excuse to be a piece of shit, but when it comes right down to it they are pieces of shit. Caught up in a cycle of being a piece of shit (my father was a piece of shit, so I'm going to be a piece of shit).
Trying to point the finger at a particular religion I think is missing the point.
you claimed to be open minded. Yet , all that you choose to post are negatives. I woud expect that you could find plenty wrong anywhere.
My request to you is to find the good and post that too.You know, just in the spirit of openmindedness.
well, mickey
it is because it is what i want to understand. i understand kindness, i do not understand nasty ass bullshit like torturing women & children, you know, stonings & running a vehicle up onto a 8 yr old's arm, or selling a 8 yr old girl to a grown ass man who in turn has sex w/ her killing the child on their wedding night.
i understand the kindness of giving a flower to a lady, i understand feeding a hungry street person begging for food, i understand allowing girls to attend school
i do not understand when girls can't go to school or drive a car because they aren't born with a penis.
"you claim to be open minded" - mickrat
you would be making a dire mistake, sir, by believing i am closeminded. it is quite laughable to me that you'd even suggest such a notion.
remember, mick, i'm creative, i'm into creating art, poetry, painting (although its been a spell since i picked up a brush) i'm enjoy buddhist & hindu artwork & i practice buddhism a bit & i am living in fucking farm country rural & small towns iowa where it is 100% catholicism. what kind of spiritual connection do you practice, mick? walking through the forest? sitting under a tree & meditating?
i am slightly offended i must say
why not ask the questions a person does not comprehend? i don't understand beating women so i ask here & now i get shit for it. you have no idea what you are going on about, sir
have a beautiful day
dignin,
of course men worldwide been abusing women for thousands of years, you think i don't know this bullshit?
my dad never in a trillion years would have abused our mom. she would have cleaned his fucking clock for him if he got stupid w/ her. abusive males are fucked in the head no matter where they are from or whatever religion they practice. it is disgusting to stone women to death but it is their reasoning so says their great teachings.
i'll have to find some quotes from the qur'an, post them & you people can tell me if they are fact, false or propaganda. i read some yesterday in these videos & it is shocking the abuse that they lay down
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Don't forget that its not just Catholic Priests that are known for abusing and raping young boys
Christian clergy of all types have been doing it for centuries
The Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, Protestants, Presbyterians, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc...
have all been known to abuse young children and then have the ministers be transferred from parish to parish in hopes of it going away
Runs the whole bloody gamut of types.
Really, it's not about religion. They're just sick motherfuckers on some kind of magic power ride.
exactly. that's the point I was making. aerial is making this out to be exclusive to muslims, when it's exclusive to no group except the human race.
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ditto
People who are blinded by their hatred and ignorance can't possibly see the truth
This is ignorant and offensive.
Even on this site your excuse for this atrocity is "well other religions do it". Why do you not condemn what has been done to the muslim women, children and infidels?
Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
after she becomes captive
I think it has been consensus that all people within organized religion that rape their women and children are bastards.
By alluding to other religions, people have basically been saying to not forget religions such as yours (Christianity) when you spew your hate, Aerial. Men of the cloth have raped small boys for centuries now. Some Christian groups practice polygamy where women amount to sex slaves. So when you say ridiculous things like, "This religion seems to be all about sex"... some could contend that all religions have a lustful component to them.
And when you say ridiculous things like, "Islam condones rape"... look back at the past few posts and read how, for example, the Catholic Church condones rape as well: by hushing people, relocating people, and- most ridiculously- having the pedophile priest say sorry and perform a few goofy hand maneuvers to make all good.
hands removed, heads removed, women stoned to death because they were raped. men are pretty much free to abuse women & girls is what i was asking the truth about. why are young girls given to grown ass men? culture/religion... whatever it is they seem to always go back to the good book as their guide.
hungry? steal a fig & see what happens to your hand in many places where they are not playing games. an 8 year old girl died on her wedding night because of sexual intercourse.... what the fuck is going on?
what is the guide to the cultures of islamic followers?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Chadwick you ask good questions but you are not going to find your answers here. For the most part you will only get responses that are based on heresay, rumours, bigotry, hatred, and ignorance.
My suggestion is go to your local mosque and ask the Iman. Or go to your local college or university that has a dept of mideast or islamic studies and ask one of the professors.
Besides this thread is sure to he locked soon because of the hateful and offensive posts.
good luck
i'd like to think we can seek further knowledge on here as this is supposed to be a place for learning something.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
At our core we are tribal creatures us humans, Some are just bigger than others. "you dont look like me, makes you suspect" "You dont pray like me makes you suspect" " you dont THINK like me makes you suspect" " you dont VOTE like me makes you suspect" Same the world over buddy.
Some seek to overlook/overcome such tribalism. For others , that doesnt fit the selfish agenda.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
double posting fu
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i am open minded & do not focus on only the bad as good thrives beyond evil. for now my research is here asking my online peers who love music like i do. i feel trust & knowledge is alive & well here. although some here i do not trust, they are a minute percentage.
i am big on women & children being treated well & as equals. again & again, why are raped & tortured women stoned to death? culture? religion? the guide of their lives, of their cultures are what?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
so a greedy gentleman gets a hand chopped off & not a hungry street person. can you give an example of the minimum greed one needs to throw down to receive the sword?
writing bad checks?
a bunk ass politician? these would be keeping a swordsman's work day quite lengthy & full. the swordsman would have to resharpen their blade several times a day.
i am trying my best to think up greedy examples...
a used car salesman selling automobiles with the odometer rolled back, car waxed, detailed, new tires, new oil, set to go? he is busted & proved to have rolled back the mileage on 14 cars & he even admits he has partners who steal cars & they are also hashish smugglers from the mountains in the golden triangle area & they smuggle the hash & heroin in turkey.
someone is going to spend a lifetime in prison, yes? yet you yourself use marijuana & so do millions of others including myself when i can afford it, which isn't hardly ever as i like to eat vs' score a green sack
mr. badbrains, may i ask where you are located? you & i to have a sit down, share a smoke or two & discuss what we know, what we do not know, share what we love, dislike & so on & so forth... sounds good. i crave knowledge about just about everything out there. i would travel the globe if i had the $$$... fuck, i'd eat marijuana butter brownies if i could afford that luxury
so far we basically know that i am not greedy... yes, i am keeping my hands
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Chadwick my friend, you I'd sit down with and have a blast ANYDAY! I'm in dirty jersey so if by chance u are ever around, dnt ever hesitate to hit me up my friend. I'll supply the greens and food to. And ya Chadwick, your hands are safe around me....
good luck, sir
look everyone
i just want peace like most everyone else living today. i also want to learn things i lack. i am also not going to read the bible or the qur'an or any other religious maze or cluster fuck of headache city pages. it is my weakness. i still learn & get along quite well. i'm an environmental scientist like 10 sons a beaches
read a bible? not hardly. besides, if most religious writing sare quite similar by the way the authors go on, i would find that they all read like a riddle
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I am also big on women and children being treated well and as equals. Women who are raped are not to be punished. There is nothing in the Qu'ran that advocates this, directs this. Women and children are not to be tortured but protected. There is nowhere in the Qu'ran where stoning is mentioned as punishment. Many claim that the religion of Islam disrespects women, that Muslim women are beaten. An example from the life of the Prophet that clearly counters these claims is that a man during the time of the Prophet slapped his slave, who was a female. The Prophet directed that this women be set free as an expiation for the abuse. If any type of rape or abuse were allowed in Islam, an expiation would not have been ordered. An example for the Qu'ran for adultery is that to be punished of adultery that there must be four witnesses of the act. And not just any four witnesses, they must be known as honest and upstanding members of the community. And what four honest and upstanding members would witness the act? Therefore, the punishment of lashes would be near impossible and clearly to serve as a warning on the severity of adultery, it oppresses the soul and it oppresses others. And to paraphrase Tariq Ramadan, There are strict and numerous conditions for a punishment to be given and to betray any of these would be against the teachings of Islam because to do so would produce an injustice. I understand where you are coming from, the US media has done a great job on focusing on the criminal acts of so called Muslims, but yet others are left un-scrutinized. I guess it gives us a chance for an exchange. I know that you and others on this thread know that kids as young as five get arrested in the West Bank and yes get raped/sodomized by their captors. And women are randomly arrested and are abused. It is not uncommon for male Israeli occupation forces to hit women. In Hebron, settlers target women and children. Circumstances in the very least of which women are called sluts by these settlers in front of their children for daring to walk in their own neighborhood and take their kids to school. But I know that thread is coming, right? Let's hope so.
Yeah. I talked about this, chadwick, in my post in the other thread, which apparently you did not understand. I recommend you try reading it more than once, though: there are more general principles (justice, equality, etc) which have to be upheld by all the smaller rules within Islam. If any of these rules begin to contradict these general principles (whether it is because the contemporary context is different from the historical one, or for any other reason) then serious reexamination of these rules is necessary to thereby determine their continued applicability. Further, Rudolph Peters in his book Crime and Punishment in Islam says himself that it is virtually impossible for crimes (such as theft, adultery, etc) to be punished unless the perpetrator him/herself confesses to it, because until then there is a concept known as "shubha" (basically means the benefit of the doubt) that the defendant could invoke and thereby escape any punishment, due to the precise nature in which these crimes are defined. As badbrains said, stealing for hunger would not go punished. How can someone prove greed?
These punishments are called in Arabic hudud, which literally can be translated as "limits;" the reason they are called this is because they are limits God has set to prevent things like theft, murder, adultery, etc., from occurring in society, so the punishments mostly exist theoretically.
So if a woman reports that she has been raped she is confessing ......... who gets punished? and what is the punishment?
public beatings of women by multiple men with clubs/sticks, hundreds gather for the spectical
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
so what is islam sharia law?
slightly graphic :evil:
sharia law little boy's punishment for stealing bread in the market
http://youtu.be/tPqDj51u0Ow
good idea... let's run a vehicle onto his hand/arm as punishment & use his little limb as a parking spot
nicely done
so what is this sharia law in islam? do not tell me it doesn't exist as it does. i will keep posting these video if we are told it does not happen & it is propaganda
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
My request to you is to find the good and post that too.You know, just in the spirit of openmindedness.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Their religion is sometimes just an excuse to be a piece of shit, but when it comes right down to it they are pieces of shit. Caught up in a cycle of being a piece of shit (my father was a piece of shit, so I'm going to be a piece of shit).
Trying to point the finger at a particular religion I think is missing the point.
If you cant see that, you are showing your bias.
it is because it is what i want to understand. i understand kindness, i do not understand nasty ass bullshit like torturing women & children, you know, stonings & running a vehicle up onto a 8 yr old's arm, or selling a 8 yr old girl to a grown ass man who in turn has sex w/ her killing the child on their wedding night.
i understand the kindness of giving a flower to a lady, i understand feeding a hungry street person begging for food, i understand allowing girls to attend school
i do not understand when girls can't go to school or drive a car because they aren't born with a penis.
"you claim to be open minded" - mickrat
you would be making a dire mistake, sir, by believing i am closeminded. it is quite laughable to me that you'd even suggest such a notion.
remember, mick, i'm creative, i'm into creating art, poetry, painting (although its been a spell since i picked up a brush) i'm enjoy buddhist & hindu artwork & i practice buddhism a bit & i am living in fucking farm country rural & small towns iowa where it is 100% catholicism. what kind of spiritual connection do you practice, mick? walking through the forest? sitting under a tree & meditating?
i am slightly offended i must say
why not ask the questions a person does not comprehend? i don't understand beating women so i ask here & now i get shit for it. you have no idea what you are going on about, sir
have a beautiful day
dignin,
of course men worldwide been abusing women for thousands of years, you think i don't know this bullshit?
my dad never in a trillion years would have abused our mom. she would have cleaned his fucking clock for him if he got stupid w/ her. abusive males are fucked in the head no matter where they are from or whatever religion they practice. it is disgusting to stone women to death but it is their reasoning so says their great teachings.
i'll have to find some quotes from the qur'an, post them & you people can tell me if they are fact, false or propaganda. i read some yesterday in these videos & it is shocking the abuse that they lay down
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce