Obamacare

Tim Simmons

No. The people who have had their lives ripped apart by coverage denial from insurers and financial ruin from bills had their lives minimized. Don’t be dense. 

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

Tim Simmons

And when a dogs been beat down, don’t be surprised when it bites you one day. I’m not saying it’s correct or just or right, I’m saying don’t be surprised. 

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

And when a dogs been beat down, don’t be surprised when it bites you one day. I’m not saying it’s correct or just or right, I’m saying don’t be surprised. 

Does that also apply to January 6 rioters?

Gern Blansten

pjl44 said:

The scion of a prominent, wealthy family who graduated valedictorian of a 40k/year prep school is having his "life minimized" folks

says who? 

Gern Blansten

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

And when a dogs been beat down, don’t be surprised when it bites you one day. I’m not saying it’s correct or just or right, I’m saying don’t be surprised. 

Does that also apply to January 6 rioters?

If Biden says he'll pardon Luigi you'll have an argument...

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

No. The people who have had their lives ripped apart by coverage denial from insurers and financial ruin from bills had their lives minimized. Don’t be dense. 

Who sent the bills?

Gern Blansten

Seems like you are arguing against a position that no one here seems to hold.

Tim Simmons

Not really analogous, but sure. Conservative media and manipulative politicians are to blame. Beating these low information people down and working them into a fervor. 

pjl44

Gern Blansten said:

Seems like you are arguing against a position that no one here seems to hold.

I'm responding directly to individual posts

Tim Simmons

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. Democrats want to prop up the system as much as anyone. 

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Tim Simmons

I think she’s looking at WHY people are feeling this way. Those other 2 are not. 

Gern Blansten

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

I think she’s looking at WHY people are feeling this way. Those other 2 are not. 

So there isn't a standard position then. I'm saying I'm with those guys. I'm not interested in hearing out people who would shoot someone in the street.

pjl44

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 

No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro

pjl44

There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder

Gern Blansten

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 

No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro

Ok but if a follow up question was "do you think this killing reflects a problem with our healthcare system" they would likely say yes. You are creating an argument out of unknowns.

Tim Simmons

This is EXACTLY why democrats just lost. They don’t want connect on the issues that are affecting real people. At worst People are crushed by medical debt and insurance costs at best, they’ve had headaches trying to navigate insurance in 2024. People are apathetic to this killing because all they’ve endured is a system that prioritizes profits for shareholders over human life. Murder is wrong, but how far removed is it from saying,”sorry we’ve evaluated your situation and you don’t qualify for coverage.  Eat of luck with your medical issue”.

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

This is EXACTLY why democrats just lost. They don’t want connect on the issues that are affecting real people. At worst People are crushed by medical debt and insurance costs at best, they’ve had headaches trying to navigate insurance in 2024. People are apathetic to this killing because all they’ve endured is a system that prioritizes profits for shareholders over human life. Murder is wrong, but how far removed is it from saying,”sorry we’ve evaluated your situation and you don’t qualify for coverage.  Eat of luck with your medical issue”.

If you think Democrats lost because of the Shapiro/Fetterman approach and not the Warren approach I wish you luck with that strategy in 2026

pjl44

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 

No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro

Ok but if a follow up question was "do you think this killing reflects a problem with our healthcare system" they would likely say yes. You are creating an argument out of unknowns.

I'm gonna go with what they actually said vs any words you're putting in their mouths

Tim Simmons

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 

No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro

pjl44 said:

There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder

So what you are saying is, the systems fine as is. No notes? 

Tim Simmons

I mean, the HC system is working as intended. So to take the “no notes” position is fine.

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 

No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro

pjl44 said:

There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder

So what you are saying is, the systems fine as is. No notes? 

Absolutely not. I have a lot of thoughts about improving the healthcare system which does not work as well as it could. But no one should be murdering anyone.

Halifax2TheMax

pjl44 said:

The scion of a prominent, wealthy family who graduated valedictorian of a 40k/year prep school is having his "life minimized" folks

Oh the drama.

Tim Simmons

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

This is EXACTLY why democrats just lost. They don’t want connect on the issues that are affecting real people. At worst People are crushed by medical debt and insurance costs at best, they’ve had headaches trying to navigate insurance in 2024. People are apathetic to this killing because all they’ve endured is a system that prioritizes profits for shareholders over human life. Murder is wrong, but how far removed is it from saying,”sorry we’ve evaluated your situation and you don’t qualify for coverage.  Eat of luck with your medical issue”.

If you think Democrats lost because of the Shapiro/Fetterman approach and not the Warren approach I wish you luck with that strategy in 2026

Democrats lost because they can't connect with what the culture is feeling. 

pjl44

One of my biggest hobby horses with healthcare that is probably way too involved to discuss on a message board: disentangle health insurance from employers. There are too many bad downstream effects that come from your health insurance being tied to your job.

Tim Simmons

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Putting aside Elizabeth Warren's baseline stupidity and overinflated sense of self, it seems insane for a divisive government official to put this out in the ether. For self preservation if nothing else.

She's right. People will fight back as evidenced right here in front of you.

If the Presidential election were held next week I probably would have voted for Trump. 

This is fucking hilarious BTW.  But I get it, you’d hate to be associated with monsters who have vile positions on topics. 

No what I'm saying is I'm being forced to associate with monsters at either turn. I would love for the standard Democrat line on this be in lockstep with Fetterman and Shapiro.

It is. 

It's not Elizabeth Warren's. Do you think that she and you are saying the same thing those guys are?

Your own post shows that she condemned the killing...what else do you want? 

No equivocating like Fetterman and Shapiro

pjl44 said:

There doesn't need to be a "but" when you're "condemning" murder

So what you are saying is, the systems fine as is. No notes? 

Absolutely not. I have a lot of thoughts about improving the healthcare system which does not work as well as it could. But no one should be murdering anyone.

Literally no one in position of authority is saying that should happen. You seem to be taking issue with the fact some politicians have decided to address the root cause of the anger that led to murder after saying Murder is bad.

Tim Simmons

I mean, pushback on this is barely removed from the "its too soon after the gun tragedy to be discussing guns in society".

pjl44

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

This is EXACTLY why democrats just lost. They don’t want connect on the issues that are affecting real people. At worst People are crushed by medical debt and insurance costs at best, they’ve had headaches trying to navigate insurance in 2024. People are apathetic to this killing because all they’ve endured is a system that prioritizes profits for shareholders over human life. Murder is wrong, but how far removed is it from saying,”sorry we’ve evaluated your situation and you don’t qualify for coverage.  Eat of luck with your medical issue”.

If you think Democrats lost because of the Shapiro/Fetterman approach and not the Warren approach I wish you luck with that strategy in 2026

Democrats lost because they can't connect with what the culture is feeling. 

You are absolutely right but I wholeheartedly believe you're wrong about which Democrats. Good luck!