Game Changer in Syria?

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  • petejm043petejm043 Posts: 156
    badbrains wrote:
    Hmmmm, America and al-Qaeda joining forces. Bush and Obama beating the war drums. So basically everything is a sham. Republicans and democrats, America and al-Qaeda, 1 big fucken joke. And the jokes on us. Unreal.

    It looks like it is. Here we go again and we are going to borrow money from China to fund a fight we cant afford. And worse yet we may spill American blood to fight along side the organization that caused the biggest terrorist attack on our soil. I am sick of this shit.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    petejm043 wrote:
    badbrains wrote:
    Hmmmm, America and al-Qaeda joining forces. Bush and Obama beating the war drums. So basically everything is a sham. Republicans and democrats, America and al-Qaeda, 1 big fucken joke. And the jokes on us. Unreal.

    It looks like it is. Here we go again and we are going to borrow money from China to fund a fight we cant afford. And worse yet we may spill American blood to fight along side the organization that caused the biggest terrorist attack on our soil. I am sick of this shit.

    truth.

    ...and the area in front of our white house, will be vacant.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    Was it 500,000 kurds gased by sadam - during Bush admin?
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Was it 500,000 kurds gased by sadam - during Bush admin?

    there are credible reports that the kurds were not gassed by saddam ... the senior UN inspector at the time did not believe the attacks were done by the iraqis ...
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    polaris_x wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Was it 500,000 kurds gased by sadam - during Bush admin?

    there are credible reports that the kurds were not gassed by saddam ... the senior UN inspector at the time did not believe the attacks were done by the iraqis ...


    I will read up on it.

    Heard a good quote this morning, by a General.

    "When your enemies are killing each other-let them "
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    ajedigecko wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Was it 500,000 kurds gased by sadam - during Bush admin?

    there are credible reports that the kurds were not gassed by saddam ... the senior UN inspector at the time did not believe the attacks were done by the iraqis ...


    I will read up on it.

    Heard a good quote this morning, by a General.

    "When your enemies are killing each other-let them "

    and Que Sera, Sera
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • badbrains wrote:
    Hmmmm, America and al-Qaeda joining forces. Bush and Obama beating the war drums. So basically everything is a sham. Republicans and democrats, America and al-Qaeda, 1 big fucken joke. And the jokes on us. Unreal.


    Well they were your buddies back when Russia was visiting Afghanistan. So to think you trained and armed them, it is about time you locked arms with them once again to get a good foothold right beside and knocking on Russia's door. Method to the madness, eh!

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Anyone else hearing comparisons between the situation in Syria and the Kobayashi Maru? While I disagree that the game has changed and do believe we should stay out, I do think that comparison is dead on. There is no good answer.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    this thread has really jumped the shark
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    why not work through the UN!? ... if Russia is going to get in the way - it's really no different than the US impeding the world's efforts in the Occupied Territories ... at the very least - it puts the case in front of the world and action isn't done unilaterally ...

    in the end - we know US involvement is going to be decided based on factors outside of the humanitarian crisis ... it's about weapons sales, political instability and its goals in the region ...
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    polaris_x wrote:
    why not work through the UN!? ... if Russia is going to get in the way - it's really no different than the US impeding the world's efforts in the Occupied Territories ... at the very least - it puts the case in front of the world and action isn't done unilaterally ...

    in the end - we know US involvement is going to be decided based on factors outside of the humanitarian crisis ... it's about weapons sales, political instability and its goals in the region ...
    . and oil.
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    badbrains wrote:
    Hmmmm, America and al-Qaeda joining forces. Bush and Obama beating the war drums. So basically everything is a sham. Republicans and democrats, America and al-Qaeda, 1 big fucken joke. And the jokes on us. Unreal.


    Well they were your buddies back when Russia was visiting Afghanistan. So to think you trained and armed them, it is about time you locked arms with them once again to get a good foothold right beside and knocking on Russia's door. Method to the madness, eh!

    Wow, my buddies??? Wtf! Are you kidding me??? I've been saying for years that republicans and democrats are the same shit. Look bro, I dnt need a history lesson here. I'm well aware of the shit that goes on around the world. I'm well aware there's a secret hand that decides all the shit. For all the countries. When I posted my post, I was being a little sarcastic. Obama is a puppet as was bush JR. Shits been planned for years. And btw, I'm probably one of the only few if not the only person who has been to syria a couple of times, came back the exact same day this shit started over there. So please, no baptis sermon for me. Thanks
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    badbrains wrote:
    badbrains wrote:
    Hmmmm, America and al-Qaeda joining forces. Bush and Obama beating the war drums. So basically everything is a sham. Republicans and democrats, America and al-Qaeda, 1 big fucken joke. And the jokes on us. Unreal.


    Well they were your buddies back when Russia was visiting Afghanistan. So to think you trained and armed them, it is about time you locked arms with them once again to get a good foothold right beside and knocking on Russia's door. Method to the madness, eh!

    Wow, my buddies??? Wtf! Are you kidding me??? I've been saying for years that republicans and democrats are the same shit. Look bro, I dnt need a history lesson here. I'm well aware of the shit that goes on around the world. I'm well aware there's a secret hand that decides all the shit. For all the countries. When I posted my post, I was being a little sarcastic. Obama is a puppet as was bush JR. Shits been planned for years. And btw, I'm probably one of the only few if not the only person who has been to syria a couple of times, came back the exact same day this shit started over there. So please, no baptis sermon for me. Thanks

    uhhh ... i'm pretty sure evenflow? was being sarcastic as well ... don't think he was trying to give you a lesson ... the buddies thing was aimed more at the US and americans in general ...
  • badbrains wrote:
    badbrains wrote:
    Hmmmm, America and al-Qaeda joining forces. Bush and Obama beating the war drums. So basically everything is a sham. Republicans and democrats, America and al-Qaeda, 1 big fucken joke. And the jokes on us. Unreal.


    Well they were your buddies back when Russia was visiting Afghanistan. So to think you trained and armed them, it is about time you locked arms with them once again to get a good foothold right beside and knocking on Russia's door. Method to the madness, eh!

    Wow, my buddies??? Wtf! Are you kidding me??? I've been saying for years that republicans and democrats are the same shit. Look bro, I dnt need a history lesson here. I'm well aware of the shit that goes on around the world. I'm well aware there's a secret hand that decides all the shit. For all the countries. When I posted my post, I was being a little sarcastic. Obama is a puppet as was bush JR. Shits been planned for years. And btw, I'm probably one of the only few if not the only person who has been to syria a couple of times, came back the exact same day this shit started over there. So please, no baptis sermon for me. Thanks

    hahaha.......unless you are training, funding and arming, I don't think the post was meant for you. As in the person: badbrains. And if you were and are doing those things, well 911 looked good then. Carry on.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    i thought russia & the usa were pals these days? not at all cool = russia & usa at each others' throats. this is getting crazy. also, i read that china may be getting in on this

    we (the people of earth) are doomed
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    chadwick wrote:
    i thought russia & the usa were pals these days? not at all cool = russia & usa at each others' throats. this is getting crazy. also, i read that china may be getting in on this

    we (the people of earth) are doomed


    I believe ww3 has been going on for several years.

    I do not think world wars will occur in the manner of the last two.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    badbrains wrote:

    Well they were your buddies back when Russia was visiting Afghanistan. So to think you trained and armed them, it is about time you locked arms with them once again to get a good foothold right beside and knocking on Russia's door. Method to the madness, eh!

    Wow, my buddies??? Wtf! Are you kidding me??? I've been saying for years that republicans and democrats are the same shit. Look bro, I dnt need a history lesson here. I'm well aware of the shit that goes on around the world. I'm well aware there's a secret hand that decides all the shit. For all the countries. When I posted my post, I was being a little sarcastic. Obama is a puppet as was bush JR. Shits been planned for years. And btw, I'm probably one of the only few if not the only person who has been to syria a couple of times, came back the exact same day this shit started over there. So please, no baptis sermon for me. Thanks

    hahaha.......unless you are training, funding and arming, I don't think the post was meant for you. As in the person: badbrains. And if you were and are doing those things, well 911 looked good then. Carry on.

    Got ya! My bad bro. I actually thought you ment it for me lol. I'm just a little super sensitive on this topic cuz I've lost 2 friends since this shits started. I apologize even flow!!! 8-)
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    ajedigecko wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    i thought russia & the usa were pals these days? not at all cool = russia & usa at each others' throats. this is getting crazy. also, i read that china may be getting in on this

    we (the people of earth) are doomed


    I believe ww3 has been going on for several years.

    I do not think world wars will occur in the manner of the last two.

    i wish people could just be decent & kind
    i wish a prayer; all candles bring rain
    my wish is no blood shed over greed, religion, power & land
    how simple it must be to just be? wrong
    how difficult it must be to just be? correct

    those who can simply just be, lucky
    there are those with nothing simple & nothing lucky at all
    blessed are those living a decent simple life
    things very easily could be changed for the worst
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    The only positive scenario for a U.S. Strike against Syria is that no other country sides with Syria and Syria decides never to use chemical weapons. That, and for Republicans only... so President Obama has a war on his side of the ledger and they can complain about it. That's the only reason why Republicans are calling for war.
    ...
    Other than that... there is no positive outcome from U.S. intervention in Syria.
    ...
    United States... get your OWN FUCKING HOUSE IN ORDER BEFORE YOU GO AND FUCK WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S HOME!!!
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  • petejm043petejm043 Posts: 156
    How is this for crazy? The United States is broke. We borrow 46 cents of every dollar spent in order to pay our bills. We borrow money from China, who opposes our intervention in Syria. So we are going to bomb Syria in order to help rebels who are backed from Al-Queda. Oh and we will probably borrow more money from China to accomplish this mission.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    petejm043 wrote:
    How is this for crazy? The United States is broke. We borrow 46 cents of every dollar spent in order to pay our bills. We borrow money from China, who opposes our intervention in Syria. So we are going to bomb Syria in order to help rebels who are backed from Al-Queda. Oh and we will probably borrow more money from China to accomplish this mission.
    china is going to step into this disaster any time now

    im just sad as shit innocent & simple people are being fucked over, hurt & killed. when this happens anywhere i am upset. all i can foresee is agony
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • I've been following this from Seattle today. This must be the first time for thirty years that the UK hasn't endorsed US military action overseas:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/a ... ction-live

    Syria crisis: US isolated as British MPs vote against air strikes – live updates
    • Trouble for White House after UK parliamentary revolt
    • Doubts circulate about case tying Assad to chemical weapons
    • Assad moves Scud missiles, evacuates troops
    • Read the latest summary
  • ajedigecko wrote:


    I believe ww3 has been going on for several years.

    I don't think World War One ever ended.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Anyone got a line on who is actually ENDORSING U.S. military intervention in Syria... other than John McCain, Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham?
    I mean.. WHO is 'pressuring' President Obama to intervene?
    It's not coming from within America... is it? Our allies don't want any part of it. The Russinas don't want us there... which most Americans agree with President Putin. Neither does Middle Eastern countries.
    So.. WHO THE FUCK is beating the war drum? We need to find him and beat the shit out of him with his own goddamn drum.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    ajedigecko wrote:


    I believe ww3 has been going on for several years.

    I don't think World War One ever ended.


    Good point-indeed
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    Cosmo wrote:
    Anyone got a line on who is actually ENDORSING U.S. military intervention in Syria... other than John McCain, Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham?
    I mean.. WHO is 'pressuring' President Obama to intervene?
    It's not coming from within America... is it? Our allies don't want any part of it. The Russinas don't want us there... which most Americans agree with President Putin. Neither does Middle Eastern countries.
    So.. WHO THE FUCK is beating the war drum? We need to find him and beat the shit out of him with his own goddamn drum.


    Being the heathen that i am...obama is the drummer
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • petejm043petejm043 Posts: 156
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Anyone got a line on who is actually ENDORSING U.S. military intervention in Syria... other than John McCain, Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham?
    I mean.. WHO is 'pressuring' President Obama to intervene?
    It's not coming from within America... is it? Our allies don't want any part of it. The Russinas don't want us there... which most Americans agree with President Putin. Neither does Middle Eastern countries.
    So.. WHO THE FUCK is beating the war drum? We need to find him and beat the shit out of him with his own goddamn drum.


    Being the heathen that i am...obama is the drummer

    I think the oil companies gave him the drumsticks!
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    petejm043 wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Anyone got a line on who is actually ENDORSING U.S. military intervention in Syria... other than John McCain, Joe Biden and Lindsey Graham?
    I mean.. WHO is 'pressuring' President Obama to intervene?
    It's not coming from within America... is it? Our allies don't want any part of it. The Russinas don't want us there... which most Americans agree with President Putin. Neither does Middle Eastern countries.
    So.. WHO THE FUCK is beating the war drum? We need to find him and beat the shit out of him with his own goddamn drum.


    Being the heathen that i am...obama is the drummer

    I think the oil companies gave him the drumsticks!

    No way...obama and oil? Could never happen...
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • petejm043petejm043 Posts: 156
    chadwick wrote:
    petejm043 wrote:
    How is this for crazy? The United States is broke. We borrow 46 cents of every dollar spent in order to pay our bills. We borrow money from China, who opposes our intervention in Syria. So we are going to bomb Syria in order to help rebels who are backed from Al-Queda. Oh and we will probably borrow more money from China to accomplish this mission.
    china is going to step into this disaster any time now

    im just sad as shit innocent & simple people are being fucked over, hurt & killed. when this happens anywhere i am upset. all i can foresee is agony

    Me too...but we cant save the world without saving ourselves first. Man I see so much shit in my city that is fucked up and no one says anything. I see more people struggling to make ends meet...heck just to put food on the table. I ain't got nothing against people making a buck...but the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. It doesn't matter anymore if you go to college and get an education. The 1 percent just want it all for them and fuck the rest of us. And now we are going to go and try to save people who aren't even Americans. Yes it is sad as shit but we got enough problems.

    Sorry I got off the topic and needed to vent.
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