Game Changer in Syria?

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  • Better Dan
    Better Dan Posts: 5,684
    President Obama to speak shortly.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Better Dan wrote:
    President Obama to speak shortly.


    No offense but I think we have all heard enough of his bullshit.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    President Obama signaled Friday that the U.S. could act alone to punish Syria for a chemical weapons attack last week, saying the nation has an "obligation as a leader in the world" to hold rogue regimes to account for breaching the rules of war.

    and he has the power to declare was on his own ?....we're **cked !



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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Godfather. wrote:
    Better Dan wrote:
    President Obama to speak shortly.


    No offense but I think we have all heard enough of his bullshit.

    Godfather.
    calm down, godfather.
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    no more forever."
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,819
    Godfather. wrote:
    Better Dan wrote:
    President Obama to speak shortly.


    No offense but I think we have all heard enough of his bullshit.

    Godfather.

    I think you should of stated " I " instead of " We " ...
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    chadwick wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Better Dan wrote:
    President Obama to speak shortly.


    No offense but I think we have all heard enough of his bullshit.

    Godfather.
    calm down, godfather.

    my apologizes to all. :mrgreen:

    Godfather.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    josevolution wrote:
    Yeah not happy about another intervention i wish we could just say fuck the whole middle east let them just fight it out , but even if it wasn't Obama as president who ever else they would still most likely have to intervene , i don't believe there is such a president out there who would just say let them fight it out and to think that there is to me that is being naive , it doesn't matter REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT ...


    I agree with what you say but the fact is this IS Obama intervening so no more excuse for this President.....He sucks as a President and he has been proving it the whole time he has been in office....Can't wait to see who's going to blame Bush for this one....Is he going to make a case to congress?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    aerial wrote:
    josevolution wrote:
    Yeah not happy about another intervention i wish we could just say fuck the whole middle east let them just fight it out , but even if it wasn't Obama as president who ever else they would still most likely have to intervene , i don't believe there is such a president out there who would just say let them fight it out and to think that there is to me that is being naive , it doesn't matter REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT ...


    I agree with what you say but the fact is this IS Obama intervening so no more excuse for this President.....He sucks as a President and he has been proving it the whole time he has been in office....Can't wait to see who's going to blame Bush for this one....Is he going to make a case to congress?

    Well, that is so your opinion he sucks as a president and has "proved" it his whole time in office. I don't think him, or Bush, had a bad Presidency. It's all just opinion.

    You can't blame both of them for wanting to help people in other countries. I don't want to hear "they went there for the oil!" because yeah, that could be true, but we are doing this to help those who can't defend themselves. If we as Americans don't want to help because we want to save money and we "are not the world police," then I hope they film all those who die so that we can see what we may have prevented. I personally don't want to go to war, but I think we should help. I am not justifying Obama and Bush, but better measures need to take place so that we can help them without us actually getting involved.
    ~Carter~

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    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Obama is ready to strike, but seeking congressional approval.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    So we’re gonna bomb Syria and kill innocent Syrians because Syria killed innocent Syrians.
  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Obama is ready to strike, but seeking congressional approval.

    this seemed to be his only out after his red line comments.
    i'm glad he took it.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    will canada help good people in syria?
    will japan help good people in syria?
    will australia help good people in syria
    will south korea help good people in syria?
    will netherlands help good people in syria?
    will germany help good people in syria?
    will thailand help good people in syria?
    will switzerland help good people in syria?
    will france help good people in syria?
    will spain help good people in syria?
    will italy help good people in syria?
    will milan help good people in syria?
    will greece help good people in syria?
    will portugal help good people in syria?
    will ukraine help good people in syria?
    will romania help good people in syria?
    will new zealand help good people in syria?
    will brazil help good people in syria?
    will bulgaria help good people in syria?
    will mexico help good people in syria?
    will chile help good people in syria?
    will laos help good people in syria?
    bhutan, veitnam?

    feel free to add to the ever growing list. if i could i would help feed some syrian people whose lives are being destroyed; chad is a cook & gives a frig.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • petejm043
    petejm043 Posts: 156
    In the end of the day we are going to bomb Syria and help Al-Queda in the process because they are backing the Syrian rebels.
  • grooveme
    grooveme Posts: 353
    I really think we should stay out of this unless we determine it directly affects our national security. I think that action there would actually undermine our national security, by giving the terrorists more excuses to attack us and potentially provoking a wider conflict. I oppose action there unless we take part in an international effort.

    I feel very bad for the Syrians killed by chemical weapons. I'd not like to add innocent civilian bystanders killed by my own government to the list of those I pity.

    I have written to the President and my Congressmen to share my opposition to military action in Syria. I hope that those here who feel the same will will contact their Senators and Representatives
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    chadwick wrote:
    will canada help good people in syria?
    will japan help good people in syria?
    will australia help good people in syria
    will south korea help good people in syria?
    will netherlands help good people in syria?
    will germany help good people in syria?
    will thailand help good people in syria?
    will switzerland help good people in syria?
    will france help good people in syria?
    will spain help good people in syria?
    will italy help good people in syria?
    will milan help good people in syria?
    will greece help good people in syria?
    will portugal help good people in syria?
    will ukraine help good people in syria?
    will romania help good people in syria?
    will new zealand help good people in syria?
    will brazil help good people in syria?
    will bulgaria help good people in syria?
    will mexico help good people in syria?
    will chile help good people in syria?
    will laos help good people in syria?
    bhutan, veitnam?

    feel free to add to the ever growing list. if i could i would help feed some syrian people whose lives are being destroyed; chad is a cook & gives a frig.


    most of these countries already are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat ... n_in_Syria
  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    norm wrote:
    So we’re gonna bomb Syria and kill innocent Syrians because Syria killed innocent Syrians.

    The plan is to bomb buildings to show our force, not bomb people.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense     - Present Tense
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    satansbed wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    will canada help good people in syria?
    will japan help good people in syria?
    will australia help good people in syria
    will south korea help good people in syria?
    will netherlands help good people in syria?
    will germany help good people in syria?
    will thailand help good people in syria?
    will switzerland help good people in syria?
    will france help good people in syria?
    will spain help good people in syria?
    will italy help good people in syria?
    will milan help good people in syria?
    will greece help good people in syria?
    will portugal help good people in syria?
    will ukraine help good people in syria?
    will romania help good people in syria?
    will new zealand help good people in syria?
    will brazil help good people in syria?
    will bulgaria help good people in syria?
    will mexico help good people in syria?
    will chile help good people in syria?
    will laos help good people in syria?
    bhutan, veitnam?

    feel free to add to the ever growing list. if i could i would help feed some syrian people whose lives are being destroyed; chad is a cook & gives a frig.


    most of these countries already are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat ... n_in_Syria
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad
    i see my country made the list
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJFAN13
    PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    A few facts to consider, as I haven't seen them yet presented:
    -->Over 7000 Syrians have been killed and they have reached out for assistance, repeatedly...
    -->Assad's regime is showing no signs of collapse...
    -->Why did NATO get involved and intervene for Libya, where there was less death and unrest?
    -->Loads of innocent civilians, lots of children and women being maimed, tortured, murdered etc...
    -->Assad arguably is Iran's closest ally - and it is fact they have housed many terrorist groups (Hamas & Hezbollah just to name 2 recent ones)...
    -->Assad has allowed the country to serve as a breeding ground and transit point for extremists looking to kill American soldiers in Iraq...
    -->Assad has been publicly seeking nuclear weapons since 2007 (if not before then)...

    I don't think this is a case of the President simply picking a spot on the map and threatening to bomb/go to war for no reason. I am not a huge supporter of the US always trying to play policeman of the world, either. I am hopeful that as this escalates the US can work with allies to help protect the threatened Syrian cities, since they are asking for help. I don't know if that means helping arm them or what. I just don't know. But Obama's administration, for all of its faults, just doesn't seem like it wants to stand on the sidelines and keep a country that is asking for help obtaining their freedom from doing that. Hasn't really been his modus operandi up to this point. I also don't know what sort of strategic interests we have there either...

    Here's hoping whatever decision gets made doesn't get made in haste. Nor with wrong intentions. I'm all for innocent bloodshed to be halted, and I'd hate to add any more American men and women to the toll.

    Good luck President Obama and the USA. :(
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Guitar92player wrote:
    norm wrote:
    So we’re gonna bomb Syria and kill innocent Syrians because Syria killed innocent Syrians.

    The plan is to bomb buildings to show our force, not bomb people.

    What are typically in and around buildings?

    People will die.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    norm wrote:
    So we’re gonna bomb Syria and kill innocent Syrians because Syria killed innocent Syrians.

    The plan is to bomb buildings to show our force, not bomb people.

    What are typically in and around buildings?

    People will die.

    Yes they will...and the chance that Assad will be one of them is almost nil.

    The game has not changed in Syria and this remains something we should not be involving ourselves in.
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