Game Changer in Syria?

Drowned Out

Yes, chemical weapons WERE used in Syria months ago....remember the chemical 'red line', and the hype saying that if it were crossed, Team America might need to put some boots on the ground? Yeehaw! Back then, it seemed every world leader was calling for Assad's head for the chem attacks. Then the UN did an investigation and found that it was the Western-backed rebels who used them. Then a rebel group got caught red handed with chemicals and arrested in Turkey. (I posted articles about both, they can be found using the search function).
So are we really to believe that it was Assad this time?

Another thing....is it another example of American exceptionalism for everyone to be arguing about whether or not the US should 'stay out' of Syria? We all know for a fact that this has been a proxy war from day one - the west has been funding and arming the rebels all along, with their geopolitcal rivals (Russia and Iran) backing Assad. By saying 'stay out', or 'get involved', are people talking only about blue-eyed US soldiers? We are already involved if we're funding and arming the rebels...so is it ok to do that as long as no americans are dying?
Don't fall into the trap of thinking this would be some humanitarian rescue effort if the US sent troops in. How many times will we fall for the same war justifications? Ugh.
Whatever happened to 'international peace-keeping forces?'....blue helmets from Arab (and other) countries, instead of just americans and their NATO bitches kickin ass and takin names? :roll:

chadwick

Drowned Out wrote:

Yes, chemical weapons WERE used in Syria months ago....remember the chemical 'red line', and the hype saying that if it were crossed, Team America might need to put some boots on the ground? Yeehaw! Back then, it seemed every world leader was calling for Assad's head for the chem attacks. Then the UN did an investigation and found that it was the Western-backed rebels who used them. Then a rebel group got caught red handed with chemicals and arrested in Turkey. (I posted articles about both, they can be found using the search function).
So are we really to believe that it was Assad this time?

Another thing....is it another example of American exceptionalism for everyone to be arguing about whether or not the US should 'stay out' of Syria? We all know for a fact that this has been a proxy war from day one - the west has been funding and arming the rebels all along, with their geopolitcal rivals (Russia and Iran) backing Assad. By saying 'stay out', or 'get involved', are people talking only about blue-eyed US soldiers? We are already involved if we're funding and arming the rebels...so is it ok to do that as long as no americans are dying?
Don't fall into the trap of thinking this would be some humanitarian rescue effort if the US sent troops in. How many times will we fall for the same war justifications? Ugh.

truth

this stuff is getting very old. who to trust? who does what? what goes on behind closed doors? why are chemical weapons being set off by anyone? why is the US funding rebels?

it is a very sad day when innocent, honest & simple citizens are the victims of chemical warfare. somehow the nasty ass bullshit must stop. i watched those videos of dead & suffering innocent people lying on the ground & in the streets. that is purely disgusting that whomever would hurt & kill others in this fashion or any other way

in my eyes... someone or many should pay for this crime against these innocent folks & allow these innocent folks to punish the monsters who damaged their lives

today & always we are involved rather we citizens know it or not, rather we know a little or a lot, our government is up to its ass in fucking around

petejm043

chadwick wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

Yes, chemical weapons WERE used in Syria months ago....remember the chemical 'red line', and the hype saying that if it were crossed, Team America might need to put some boots on the ground? Yeehaw! Back then, it seemed every world leader was calling for Assad's head for the chem attacks. Then the UN did an investigation and found that it was the Western-backed rebels who used them. Then a rebel group got caught red handed with chemicals and arrested in Turkey. (I posted articles about both, they can be found using the search function).
So are we really to believe that it was Assad this time?

Another thing....is it another example of American exceptionalism for everyone to be arguing about whether or not the US should 'stay out' of Syria? We all know for a fact that this has been a proxy war from day one - the west has been funding and arming the rebels all along, with their geopolitcal rivals (Russia and Iran) backing Assad. By saying 'stay out', or 'get involved', are people talking only about blue-eyed US soldiers? We are already involved if we're funding and arming the rebels...so is it ok to do that as long as no americans are dying?
Don't fall into the trap of thinking this would be some humanitarian rescue effort if the US sent troops in. How many times will we fall for the same war justifications? Ugh.

truth

this stuff is getting very old. who to trust? who does what? what goes on behind closed doors? why are chemical weapons being set off by anyone? why is the US funding rebels?

it is a very sad day when innocent, honest & simple citizens are the victims of chemical warfare. somehow the nasty ass bullshit must stop. i watched those videos of dead & suffering innocent people lying on the ground & in the streets. that is purely disgusting that whomever would hurt & kill others in this fashion or any other way

in my eyes... someone or many should pay for this crime against these innocent folks & allow these innocent folks to punish the monsters who damaged their lives

today & always we are involved rather we citizens know it or not, rather we know a little or a lot, our government is up to its ass in fucking around

I agree...it is sad when innocent lives are lost. Its is sad that our government is caught in the middle of the business of a land far away. I understand like many of us do, Assad is an assassin just like Hussein was. But we have enough problems here to hop around the globe trying to help everyone out. I use to think we could help everyone out. March in with our flag and everything was going to be alright. Boy was I naïve. Don't get me wrong I love my country and served her proudly in the Marine Corps and my brother has served in the Army for 24 years but I think its been about time we look around and help each other, not some stranger 1,000 miles away.

chadwick

as human beings it is our duty in this life to help fellow human beings. it is not up to the united states, it is up to everyone across this planet to give a fuck about others. if someone has the means to aid those in dire need they had better get off their asses & do so

this is how i feel about things as we are all one. helping others helps ourselves

MotoDC

chadwick wrote:

send flowers, grass, music & heart symbols

Three crooked hearts, swirls all around?

petejm043

chadwick wrote:

as human beings it is our duty in this life to help fellow human beings. it is not up to the united states, it is up to everyone across this planet to give a fuck about others. if someone has the means to aid those in dire need they had better get off their asses & do so

this is how i feel about things as we are all one. helping others helps ourselves

Yes if there is an international coalition that is built up then that is different. We as a nation cant keep trying to save everyone... we cant afford it. We keep spending trillions of dollars in aid to Pakistan, Egypt, and other places and the people or most of the people do not like us.

northern spirit

Assad has also been bombing hospitals to prevent citizens from receiving medical treatment.Syrian doctors abroad have been returning home from around the world to help their fellow citizens while this hell on earth continues.Reports have also stated that a doctor trying to save people has died from exposure to the sick patients.To see all of the innocent people writhing and gasping in agony before they succumb to the toxic poisons is beyond heartbreaking.I will never understand how human beings can do this to one another.I am not naive in any way, and i do not have the answers but something needs to be done.Should have been done long ago.This evil entity and his regime has to go.I am so sick and tired of politics, power, influence and greed.How any so-called human being, can look at the effects of chemical warfare and not be moved watching a child die a horrible, preventable death is unconscionable.I really do not understand this world anymore.

unsung

chadwick wrote:

as human beings it is our duty in this life to help fellow human beings. it is not up to the united states, it is up to everyone across this planet to give a fuck about others. if someone has the means to aid those in dire need they had better get off their asses & do so

this is how i feel about things as we are all one. helping others helps ourselves

It's not our responsibility. We aren't the world police. We need to stay out, any involvement without declaration of war is unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

chadwick

i totally get all that & it is sad as shit & costly as fuck. yet every single powerful/semi powerful nation should help another nation or even a single person in dire need of aid as that is our responsibilities.
as a decent person i feel sad as fuck that some crazy wannabe bullshit leader & his regime of lunatics are setting of chemical warfare bombs or sprays or however the gases are let loose.

in all reality... countries in south america, north america, asia, europe & africa should team up with their decent & solid people & shelter those whom cannot defend themselves & remove them & place them in safety until some crazy cocksucker(s) are physically removed from their lives

it is not solely up to the united states, it is up to everyone, everyone gives 110% to protecting innocent lives who cannot defend themselves. crazy nutjobs need removing & 79 plus countries could get it done quite easily

example:
wtf? germany forever has enjoyed conflicts... why are they sitting on their fat asses while decent common small people are being poisoned to death by some freak show bullshit leader or whoever he his?

satansbed

petejm043 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

as human beings it is our duty in this life to help fellow human beings. it is not up to the united states, it is up to everyone across this planet to give a fuck about others. if someone has the means to aid those in dire need they had better get off their asses & do so

this is how i feel about things as we are all one. helping others helps ourselves

Yes if there is an international coalition that is built up then that is different. We as a nation cant keep trying to save everyone... we cant afford it. We keep spending trillions of dollars in aid to Pakistan, Egypt, and other places and the people or most of the people do not like us.

Actually foreign aid is just under 50 billion, out of a total government budget of 3.8 trillion

which is 1.3% of the total US budget, thats basically money the government finds behind the couch

satansbed

chadwick wrote:

i totally get all that & it is sad as shit & costly as fuck. yet every single powerful/semi powerful nation should help another nation or even a single person in dire need of aid as that is our responsibilities.
as a decent person i feel sad as fuck that some crazy wannabe bullshit leader & his regime of lunatics are setting of chemical warfare bombs or sprays or however the gases are let loose.

in all reality... countries in south america, north america, asia, europe & africa should team up with their decent & solid people & shelter those whom cannot defend themselves & remove them & place them in safety until some crazy cocksucker(s) are physically removed from their lives

it is not solely up to the united states, it is up to everyone, everyone gives 110% to protecting innocent lives who cannot defend themselves. crazy nutjobs need removing & 79 plus countries could get it done quite easily

example:
wtf? germany forever has enjoyed conflicts... why are they sitting on their fat asses while decent common small people are being poisoned to death by some freak show bullshit leader or whoever he his?

Eh..... im not sure you could characterise Germany as having enjoyed conflicts........ and even then. name one they have been involved in since ww2.

the main reason there is an expectation for the US to get involved is that it spends way way more on military than any other country combined.

France wants to go, England wants to go, but they aren't going unless they know they have U.S backing


for example

"Mr Cameron interrupted his holiday in Cornwall for talks with Mr Obama, François Hollande, the French president, and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. After discussions via a secure telephone line over the weekend, all the leaders agreed on the need for a “serious response”. Government sources confirmed that military action was among the options “on the table” but said no decisions had been taken."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html

Jason P

satansbed wrote:

Eh..... im not sure you could characterise Germany as having enjoyed conflicts........ and even then. name one they have been involved in since ww2.

The rest of the world tends to keep better tabs on you after you try to take over the world and exterminate a major segment of the population. Although it should be noted that Germany is one of the major contributers in the war in Afghanistan.

Jason P

Kerry is sounding the war drums this afternoon.

I don't know anyone who wants us to be involved in this war besides our leaders. Sure, we can easily go there and use the country as a weapons testing ground. That part we are good at, the blowing up shit part.

Today is the 2 year anniversy of Libya overthrow. The first article that popped up was titled "Violent Chaos".

:fp:

http://rt.com/news/libya-gaddafi-fall-anniversary-981/

satansbed

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... civil-war/

This isn't going to be a boots on the ground war, for a while anyway

petejm043

satansbed wrote:

petejm043 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

as human beings it is our duty in this life to help fellow human beings. it is not up to the united states, it is up to everyone across this planet to give a fuck about others. if someone has the means to aid those in dire need they had better get off their asses & do so

this is how i feel about things as we are all one. helping others helps ourselves

Yes if there is an international coalition that is built up then that is different. We as a nation cant keep trying to save everyone... we cant afford it. We keep spending trillions of dollars in aid to Pakistan, Egypt, and other places and the people or most of the people do not like us.

Actually foreign aid is just under 50 billion, out of a total government budget of 3.8 trillion

which is 1.3% of the total US budget, thats basically money the government finds behind the couch

Your are correct it is just under $50 billion. But don't you think that that money can be better spent here in are own country?

petejm043

chadwick wrote:

i totally get all that & it is sad as shit & costly as fuck. yet every single powerful/semi powerful nation should help another nation or even a single person in dire need of aid as that is our responsibilities.
as a decent person i feel sad as fuck that some crazy wannabe bullshit leader & his regime of lunatics are setting of chemical warfare bombs or sprays or however the gases are let loose.

in all reality... countries in south america, north america, asia, europe & africa should team up with their decent & solid people & shelter those whom cannot defend themselves & remove them & place them in safety until some crazy cocksucker(s) are physically removed from their lives

it is not solely up to the united states, it is up to everyone, everyone gives 110% to protecting innocent lives who cannot defend themselves. crazy nutjobs need removing & 79 plus countries could get it done quite easily

example:
wtf? germany forever has enjoyed conflicts... why are they sitting on their fat asses while decent common small people are being poisoned to death by some freak show bullshit leader or whoever he his?

If a coalition is formed and other countries share the burden, that changes things because the world community would be telling Syria that you cannot kill your own people. But isn't this what happen in Libya as well? And at the end we lost three Americans there last year. I don't know...I guess I am just tired of all these wars.

chadwick

war sucks.

no matter what, when innocent folks are gassed to death something has to happen to those responsible

satansbed

petejm043 wrote:

Your are correct it is just under $50 billion. But don't you think that that money can be better spent here in are own country?

well its not my country, but even if it was i would say no, the effects of not spending this money would be much worse than the benefits of spending it at home for america

Guitar92player

I understand that we shouldn't be the World Police and it will cost us money, but if we don't then how can we live with ourselves knowing that so many people died and we could have done something. That is the reason I don't feel as much hatred towards Bush for the Iraq War as I once did (although I am still very mad at him for it because it was a main focus instead of finding Osama).

If we, England, France, and anyone else joins, then that would be fantastic. If no one else helps, that says more about them than it does about us. We are willing to help those who cannot fight evil. To say no just to save a few dollars is logical, but it kind of shows an immoral side to someone (Money > Innocent Lives).

However, I am not for giving the Syrian Rebels weapons. I would like for us to do something that would have us not working alongside the rebels. Instead, we should just end it swiftly as possible.

petejm043

satansbed wrote:

petejm043 wrote:

Your are correct it is just under $50 billion. But don't you think that that money can be better spent here in are own country?

well its not my country, but even if it was i would say no, the effects of not spending this money would be much worse than the benefits of spending it at home for america

Why would you say it would be worse? I know I am in the very small minority here, but I believe that the United States should return to isolationism.