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  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    Godfather. wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    you guys have a habbit of twisting the words of others around a little, you assume I hate because I say I don't want muslims in my country when I have never used the word hate towards anybody.

    Godfather.

    Well I for one can say that I am prejudice against bigots. Uneducated inbred morons the lot of them.

    and I am prejudice against ........welll no need to upset the few on this board. :lol:


    Godfather.

    Here's the thing man, the guys that set off the bombs in Boston are scum, guys that flew the planes into the towers are scum, the American soldiers that shoot random civilians are scum, they are not representative of millions of people.

    Like I've said before, I come from a nation where terrorism was rife, it was easy to generalise, very easy. And to be honest there was a long time where I did just that, I strongly disliked the British. However that's a dangerous road to go down, it becomes easy to explain away atrocities that are carried out.

    What I've learned is that if I was born on the other side of the street I'd have probably been of the opinion my so called enimies held, so what it all comes down to is perception. Both sides are wrong, if we can't view others as at least human, is it any wonder that we begin to act like animals?

    My two cents, for what it's worth.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,340
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    Well I for one can say that I am prejudice against bigots. Uneducated inbred morons the lot of them.

    and I am prejudice against ........welll no need to upset the few on this board. :lol:


    Godfather.

    Here's the thing man, the guys that set off the bombs in Boston are scum, guys that flew the planes into the towers are scum, the American soldiers that shoot random civilians are scum, they are not representative of millions of people.

    Like I've said before, I come from a nation where terrorism was rife, it was easy to generalise, very easy. And to be honest there was a long time where I did just that, I strongly disliked the British. However that's a dangerous road to go down, it becomes easy to explain away atrocities that are carried out.

    What I've learned is that if I was born on the other side of the street I'd have probably been of the opinion my so called enimies held, so what it all comes down to is perception. Both sides are wrong, if we can't view others as at least human, is it any wonder that we begin to act like animals?

    My two cents, for what it's worth.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    Great example of normal people doing normal things. Judging by the name of the surgeon who repaired my wife's eye, I'm guessing she comes from an Islamic background. She's a wonderful person and does great work- restoring sight! The Iranian guy who used to run the gas station down the road always had a kind word and often called me "brother"- not because I'm Islamic or pro-terrorist (I'm not) but because I didn't snub him and we were respectful and pleasant with each other.

    People who have a fear and/or hatred of others because of the color of their skin, their race or creed or religion would do well to get out more often and meet more people and discover that, for the most part, we're all more similar than different. We all pretty much want the same things.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote:
    Great example of normal people doing normal things. Judging by the name of the surgeon who repaired my wife's eye, I'm guessing she comes from an Islamic background. She's a wonderful person and does great work- restoring sight! The Iranian guy who used to run the gas station down the road always had a kind word and often called me "brother"- not because I'm Islamic or pro-terrorist (I'm not) but because I didn't snub him and we were respectful and pleasant with each other.

    People who have a fear and/or hatred of others because of the color of their skin, their race or creed or religion would do well to get out more often and meet more people and discover that, for the most part, we're all more similar than different. We all pretty much want the same things.
    Your last sentence, YES ad infinitum. And also to mickeyrat & Moonpig.

    I've mixed avoidance with observance in this thread so far. So not black and white, and much room for education, if not experience. I love some of the common sense and openminded comments I've read.

    (brian, my Persian uncle used to call my father "brother". It's one among the many things I loved about him)

    (GF, sometimes your comments throw me for a loop - as do those of pretty much everyone else from time to time, and I'm sure I've done the same...would still shake your hand if I met you - again, those of most everyone else here)

    pps to brian - continued good thoughts to your wife.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    What does he teach?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    aerial wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    What does he teach?

    Why? You considering enrolling for one of his courses?
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    aerial wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    What does he teach?
    how to make a bomb and blow Americans....i guess is what you think all muslims do,right?
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    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......

    We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.

    If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Byrnzie wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    What does he teach?

    Why? You considering enrolling for one of his courses?

    Depends on what his course is.....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    What does he teach?
    how to make a bomb and blow Americans....i guess is what you think all muslims do,right?

    NO
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    aerial wrote:
    If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......

    We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.

    If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?

    Are you his boss? If not, then what's your problem? Does he make up the time spent praying later in the day? The again, I don't expect an honest answer from you. No offence.

    Oh, and Sharia law isn't creeping into your legal system, regardless of what those wacky internet blogs are telling you.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    aerial wrote:
    If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......

    We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.

    If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?
    :lol::lol::lol: your culture....

    isnt this country created from people moved there from other countries??
    all Americans i know somehow is related to a european country or SA country..
    irish,italians,germans,british,spanish..etc..
    Jesus....you dont even have your own language...you speak English..
    you know..from England!!!!!!!
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......

    We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.

    If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?
    :lol::lol::lol: your culture....

    isnt this country created from people moved there from other countries??
    all Americans i know somehow is related to a european country or SA country..
    irish,italians,germans,british,spanish..etc..
    Jesus....you dont even have your own language...you speak English..
    you know..from England!!!!!!!

    Yes and we have a culture here most Americans want to keep.....and all those that came over a hundreds of years ago is what created our American culture.....after that those that came assimilated to the culture.....English is our language ALSO....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Byrnzie wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......

    We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.

    If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?

    Are you his boss? If not, then what's your problem? Does he make up the time spent praying later in the day? The again, I don't expect an honest answer from you. No offence.

    Oh, and Sharia law isn't creeping into your legal system, regardless of what those wacky internet blogs are telling you.

    I have no problem...we are friends and he asked me why? so I was explaining it to him....And yes Sharia is creeping into the legal system......your not being honest ? oh! no offence.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    aerial wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......

    We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.

    If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?
    :lol::lol::lol: your culture....

    isnt this country created from people moved there from other countries??
    all Americans i know somehow is related to a european country or SA country..
    irish,italians,germans,british,spanish..etc..
    Jesus....you dont even have your own language...you speak English..
    you know..from England!!!!!!!

    Yes and we have a culture here most Americans want to keep.....and all those that came over a hundreds of years ago is what created our American culture.....after that those that came assimilated to the culture.....English is our language ALSO....
    cant wait to explain me what this American culture means!!!
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    aerial wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    What does he teach?

    INTRODUCTION TO INTERNATIONAL POLITICS
    POLITICS OF THE MIDDLE EAST
    AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY
    INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL ECONOMY
    SEMINAR IN COMPARATIVE POLITICS
    ARAB (PALESTINIAN)--ISRAELI CONFLICT
    CIVIL SOCIETY AND DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST
    INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION AND LAW
    INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL ISSUES
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    These are the positives...

    Manners, though that is fading
    One wife NOT bought with a dowry
    They marry the person that they fall in love with....
    Equal rights for all
    Women have an importance in the country...they are not just for sex and waiting on men
    No sex with children
    We do not eat dog
    We love our country
    we have a right to bare arms
    we have a declaration of independence and a bill of rights.....just for starters
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    I have an Iranian professor

    One of my favorites by far...

    What does he teach?

    INTRODUCTION TO INTERNATIONAL POLITICS
    POLITICS OF THE MIDDLE EAST
    AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY
    INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL ECONOMY
    SEMINAR IN COMPARATIVE POLITICS
    ARAB (PALESTINIAN)--ISRAELI CONFLICT
    CIVIL SOCIETY AND DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST
    INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION AND LAW
    INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL ISSUES

    I figured as much......indoctrination
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,661
    hedonist wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Great example of normal people doing normal things. Judging by the name of the surgeon who repaired my wife's eye, I'm guessing she comes from an Islamic background. She's a wonderful person and does great work- restoring sight! The Iranian guy who used to run the gas station down the road always had a kind word and often called me "brother"- not because I'm Islamic or pro-terrorist (I'm not) but because I didn't snub him and we were respectful and pleasant with each other.

    People who have a fear and/or hatred of others because of the color of their skin, their race or creed or religion would do well to get out more often and meet more people and discover that, for the most part, we're all more similar than different. We all pretty much want the same things.
    Your last sentence, YES ad infinitum. And also to mickeyrat & Moonpig.

    I've mixed avoidance with observance in this thread so far. So not black and white, and much room for education, if not experience. I love some of the common sense and openminded comments I've read.

    (brian, my Persian uncle used to call my father "brother". It's one among the many things I loved about him)

    Yes! When some one from another culture calls me "brother" it's great. When my Iranian gas station friend said "brother" to me I knew it was sincere. There was also a sadness about it as if he were saying, "Thank you for not hating me like most everyone else around here seems to".
    hedonist wrote:
    (GF, sometimes your comments throw me for a loop - as do those of pretty much everyone else from time to time, and I'm sure I've done the same...would still shake your hand if I met you - again, those of most everyone else here)

    pps to brian - continued good thoughts to your wife.

    Thanks! She's doing much better- finally got through the face-down part of recovery and able to get around and do more now. :D
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    aerial wrote:

    I figured as much......indoctrination

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    He's more politically fair than a lot of professors I've had. :lol::lol::lol:
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