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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Baseball and sports are a big part of your culture. A good one too!

    It's true, baseball as we know it today is very American but the roots of baseball go back to old French and British games. Jazz and blues are our one true cultural invention (and what a great one it is!)- created by African Americans- a people we and the British enslaved and forced to reside here.

    Remember it was the Africans them self that sold there own people to America to BE SLAVES... :fp:

    Not necessarily, but does that make it any more right?

    :?
  • riotgrlriotgrl Posts: 1,895
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Baseball and sports are a big part of your culture. A good one too!

    It's true, baseball as we know it today is very American but the roots of baseball go back to old French and British games. Jazz and blues are our one true cultural invention (and what a great one it is!)- created by African Americans- a people we and the British enslaved and forced to reside here.

    Remember it was the Africans them self that sold there own people to America to BE SLAVES... :fp:

    In many other areas of the world, including Africa, slavery was more similar to indentured servitude rather than the multi-generational slavery endorsed by many Americans, especially Christian Americans. Christian Americans who used the Bible to condone and support turning human beings into property. Not a proud part of American culture.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,056
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Baseball and sports are a big part of your culture. A good one too!

    It's true, baseball as we know it today is very American but the roots of baseball go back to old French and British games. Jazz and blues are our one true cultural invention (and what a great one it is!)- created by African Americans- a people we and the British enslaved and forced to reside here.

    Remember it was the Africans them self that sold there own people to America to BE SLAVES... :fp:
    riotgrl wrote:
    In many other areas of the world, including Africa, slavery was more similar to indentured servitude rather than the multi-generational slavery endorsed by many Americans, especially Christian Americans. Christian Americans who used the Bible to condone and support turning human beings into property. Not a proud part of American culture.

    Thank you, riotgrl!

    aerial, if we're going to get into a discussion about who was mainly responsible for slavery in the US, I'm going to have to pass.

    Long live jazz and the blues!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    I wonder if there was ever a race that was not slaved at sometime in history? Not say that is an excuse.....


    When Christians were slaves to the Muslims the Muslims just worked them to death because Christian Slaves were so cheap...
    The Untold Story of White Slavery

    Whites have forgotten what blacks take pains to remember.



    .....From a number of sources, therefore, Prof. Davis estimates that the death rate was about 20 percent per year. Slaves had no access to women, so replacement was exclusively through capture. His conclusion: "etween 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly a million and quite possibly as many as a million and a quarter white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast." This considerably exceeds the figure of 800,000 Africans generally accepted as having been transported to the North American colonies and, later, to the United States.


    The European powers were unable to stop this traffic. Prof. Davis reports that in the late 1700s, they had a better record of controlling the trade, but there was an upturn of white slavery during the chaos of the Napoleonic wars.

    American shipping was not exempt from predation either. Only in 1815, after two wars against them, were American sailors free of the Barbary pirates. These wars were significant operations for the young republic; one campaign is remembered in the words "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine hymn. When the French took over Algiers in 1830, there were still 120 whites slaves in the bagno.

    Why is there so little interest in Mediterranean slavery while scholarship and reflection on black slavery never ends? As Prof. Davis explains, white slaves with non-white masters simply do no fit "the master narrative of European imperialism." The victimization schemes so dear to academics require white wickedness, not white suffering.

    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... lavery.htm
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Godfather. wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Looks like 'the west' has quite integrated muslim 'ways' our everyday life....

    http://sonuduhan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/thats-how-you-win-argument-on-internet.html

    With rejection of muslims (send them back where they come from), which of the list are you OK to do without?


    well I couldn't open the link but I still stand by my beliefs (get them out of here)

    Godfather.

    God, how awesome would it be if you ended up having Muslim neighbors In San Diego. I know they're there, that would be sick! :corn:
  • riotgrlriotgrl Posts: 1,895
    aerial wrote:
    I wonder if there was ever a race that was not slaved at sometime in history? Not say that is an excuse.....


    When Christians were slaves to the Muslims the Muslims just worked them to death because Christian Slaves were so cheap...
    The Untold Story of White Slavery

    Whites have forgotten what blacks take pains to remember.



    .....From a number of sources, therefore, Prof. Davis estimates that the death rate was about 20 percent per year. Slaves had no access to women, so replacement was exclusively through capture. His conclusion: "etween 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly a million and quite possibly as many as a million and a quarter white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast." This considerably exceeds the figure of 800,000 Africans generally accepted as having been transported to the North American colonies and, later, to the United States.


    The European powers were unable to stop this traffic. Prof. Davis reports that in the late 1700s, they had a better record of controlling the trade, but there was an upturn of white slavery during the chaos of the Napoleonic wars.

    American shipping was not exempt from predation either. Only in 1815, after two wars against them, were American sailors free of the Barbary pirates. These wars were significant operations for the young republic; one campaign is remembered in the words "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine hymn. When the French took over Algiers in 1830, there were still 120 whites slaves in the bagno.

    Why is there so little interest in Mediterranean slavery while scholarship and reflection on black slavery never ends? As Prof. Davis explains, white slaves with non-white masters simply do no fit "the master narrative of European imperialism." The victimization schemes so dear to academics require white wickedness, not white suffering.

    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... lavery.htm

    You conveniently forgot to include the numbers of black Africans that were enslaved because they were born into slavery while the white Christians did not have their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and on and on enslaved.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    badbrains wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Looks like 'the west' has quite integrated muslim 'ways' our everyday life....

    http://sonuduhan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/thats-how-you-win-argument-on-internet.html

    With rejection of muslims (send them back where they come from), which of the list are you OK to do without?


    well I couldn't open the link but I still stand by my beliefs (get them out of here)

    Godfather.


    God, how awesome would it be if you ended up having Muslim neighbors In San Diego. I know they're there, that would be sick! :corn:

    Ewwwww I smell a sitcom
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    You are in the same class as the Rev. Phelps Westboro Church clan with the only difference being, they hate Fags, you hate Muslims. To me, I really don't care who you hate... just own up to your hatred.
    I never said "hate" as I have said before hate in my opinion is a very strong word, yes I am pissed off and yes I disaprove of the actions by muslim people and yes I do not trust them due to their beliefs and violance that has been welll documented....and yes I want them out of my country,I know it sounds a little extream but this shit is just getting too friggin old and my opionon on the muslim has nothing to do with my Christan beliefs..although my reasons not to hate may be because of my Christan beliefs.

    Godfather.
    ...
    Sir, I hope you don't think I am 'twisting your words'... I can only go on the things you write here at face value... and that what you post is what is true in your heart.
    As I earlier stated, I applaud your taking ownership and accountability of your prejudices. Most people will drive that shit underground and pretend they 'love' mankind' and all that 'Good will towards men' bullshit, but, in truth, harbor those prejudices. You are honest with us on this and i, for one, appreciate your candidness.
    Some people disapprove of gays and want them out... others don't trust black folk and want them out. You don't like Muslims and want them out... even though you **say** you don't hate them... admit it, you hate them. Otherwise you would not want all of them out based upon the actions of a few of them.
    As far as the teaching of Jesus goes... you might want to re-acquaint yourself with Jesus' 'Sermon on The Mount'. It is tough to call yourself, 'Christian', if you reject the main tenent of Christ's words.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    riotgrl wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I wonder if there was ever a race that was not slaved at sometime in history? Not say that is an excuse.....


    When Christians were slaves to the Muslims the Muslims just worked them to death because Christian Slaves were so cheap...
    The Untold Story of White Slavery

    Whites have forgotten what blacks take pains to remember.



    .....From a number of sources, therefore, Prof. Davis estimates that the death rate was about 20 percent per year. Slaves had no access to women, so replacement was exclusively through capture. His conclusion: "etween 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly a million and quite possibly as many as a million and a quarter white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast." This considerably exceeds the figure of 800,000 Africans generally accepted as having been transported to the North American colonies and, later, to the United States.


    The European powers were unable to stop this traffic. Prof. Davis reports that in the late 1700s, they had a better record of controlling the trade, but there was an upturn of white slavery during the chaos of the Napoleonic wars.

    American shipping was not exempt from predation either. Only in 1815, after two wars against them, were American sailors free of the Barbary pirates. These wars were significant operations for the young republic; one campaign is remembered in the words "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine hymn. When the French took over Algiers in 1830, there were still 120 whites slaves in the bagno.

    Why is there so little interest in Mediterranean slavery while scholarship and reflection on black slavery never ends? As Prof. Davis explains, white slaves with non-white masters simply do no fit "the master narrative of European imperialism." The victimization schemes so dear to academics require white wickedness, not white suffering.

    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... lavery.htm

    You conveniently forgot to include the numbers of black Africans that were enslaved because they were born into slavery while the white Christians did not have their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and on and on enslaved.

    Yeah you already posted that :?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    You are in the same class as the Rev. Phelps Westboro Church clan with the only difference being, they hate Fags, you hate Muslims. To me, I really don't care who you hate... just own up to your hatred.
    I never said "hate" as I have said before hate in my opinion is a very strong word, yes I am pissed off and yes I disaprove of the actions by muslim people and yes I do not trust them due to their beliefs and violance that has been welll documented....and yes I want them out of my country,I know it sounds a little extream but this shit is just getting too friggin old and my opionon on the muslim has nothing to do with my Christan beliefs..although my reasons not to hate may be because of my Christan beliefs.

    Godfather.
    ...
    Sir, I hope you don't think I am 'twisting your words'... I can only go on the things you write here at face value... and that what you post is what is true in your heart.
    As I earlier stated, I applaud your taking ownership and accountability of your prejudices. Most people will drive that shit underground and pretend they 'love' mankind' and all that 'Good will towards men' bullshit, but, in truth, harbor those prejudices. You are honest with us on this and i, for one, appreciate your candidness.
    Some people disapprove of gays and want them out... others don't trust black folk and want them out. You don't like Muslims and want them out... even though you **say** you don't hate them... admit it, you hate them. Otherwise you would not want all of them out based upon the actions of a few of them.
    As far as the teaching of Jesus goes... you might want to re-acquaint yourself with Jesus' 'Sermon on The Mount'. It is tough to call yourself, 'Christian', if you reject the main tenent of Christ's words.

    ....yes I could be a better Christian (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their terrorist attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the US and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our flag and behead people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want to be American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Godfather.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    :idea: :thumbup:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Christian (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their terrorist attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the US and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our flag and behead people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want to be American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Godfather.
    ...
    They don't want to 'change our laws'... they just want to build Mosques... the same way Christians can build their churches and Jews can build their Temples. The ones you see burning flags... where are theose places? Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan... right? Send me the link to Muslims burning flags in San Diego or Escondito.
    Terrorists don't want to 'Be American Citizens'... they want to destroy us... why would you even think they would want to become one of us?
    You are lumping all of those normal people with their terrorist few who use their religion as justification for their murderous means.
    It is the same thing as lumping in all white people because of the actions of the KKK or all Christians because of the behaviour of the Westboro Baptist Church. Only an idiot would believe those to be true, right?
    ...
    Again, please, read the Sermon Of The Mount in YOUR Bible and tell me where Jesus says it is okay for you the hate all based upon the actions of the few.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • riotgrlriotgrl Posts: 1,895
    aerial wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I wonder if there was ever a race that was not slaved at sometime in history? Not say that is an excuse.....


    When Christians were slaves to the Muslims the Muslims just worked them to death because Christian Slaves were so cheap...
    The Untold Story of White Slavery

    Whites have forgotten what blacks take pains to remember.



    .....From a number of sources, therefore, Prof. Davis estimates that the death rate was about 20 percent per year. Slaves had no access to women, so replacement was exclusively through capture. His conclusion: "etween 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly a million and quite possibly as many as a million and a quarter white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast." This considerably exceeds the figure of 800,000 Africans generally accepted as having been transported to the North American colonies and, later, to the United States.


    The European powers were unable to stop this traffic. Prof. Davis reports that in the late 1700s, they had a better record of controlling the trade, but there was an upturn of white slavery during the chaos of the Napoleonic wars.

    American shipping was not exempt from predation either. Only in 1815, after two wars against them, were American sailors free of the Barbary pirates. These wars were significant operations for the young republic; one campaign is remembered in the words "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine hymn. When the French took over Algiers in 1830, there were still 120 whites slaves in the bagno.

    Why is there so little interest in Mediterranean slavery while scholarship and reflection on black slavery never ends? As Prof. Davis explains, white slaves with non-white masters simply do no fit "the master narrative of European imperialism." The victimization schemes so dear to academics require white wickedness, not white suffering.

    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... lavery.htm

    You conveniently forgot to include the numbers of black Africans that were enslaved because they were born into slavery while the white Christians did not have their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and on and on enslaved.

    Yeah you already posted that :?

    Well, you seem to like to 'ignore' facts that get in the way of your agenda :?
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited June 2013
    aerial wrote:
    I wonder if there was ever a race that was not slaved at sometime in history? Not say that is an excuse.....
    The Untold Story of White Slavery

    Whites have forgotten what blacks take pains to remember.
    ...
    What I find funny... yet disturbing... you refer to it as an 'Untold Story'... when, it is a part of History.
    Me... I knew where that lyric, '... to the shores of Tripoli' comes from. It came when U.S. Naval/Land forces rescued American sea merchants that were captured by Barbary Corsairs. I learned that shit in High School.
    What I later learned was that in wars with different religions, it was common for the victor to use captives as slaves... so, while those autonomous states of Algiers and Tunisia could enslave captured Christians, captured Muslims could be enslaved by their Christian masters... and it was okay for both sides to do so.
    Also, you have failed to record that during that time period, the majority of slaves sold to the states of the Ottoman Empire were captives of Africa, Asia and Asia-minor. The 1.25 million white captives from the shoreline villages of Britian, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and France were taken by pirates (many of the pirates being from Britian, France, Holland and Spain) and sold to Barbary Coast states. That number is dwarfed by the number of non-Whites taken from Africa and Asia, many of those captured and sold by slave traders from European nations including the English and the Dutch.
    So, once again... I beg you to look deeper than only those things you want to believe and discover the freedom that truth will bring you. The truth being... people are awful and do horrible, horrible things to people who are not like themselves. Maybe... if we stop looking for people to kill, we might make this place a bit nicer.
    Post edited by Cosmo on
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  • Godfather. wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Christian (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their terrorist attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the US and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our flag and behead people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want to be American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Godfather.

    muslims are not doing this to america. your ancestors, however, well they are guilty as charged on all counts of the above. so maybe YOU should leave and let the native americans get back their way of life and their land?
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited June 2013
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Christian (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their terrorist attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the US and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our flag and behead people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want to be American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Godfather.

    muslims are not doing this to america. your ancestors, however, well they are guilty as charged on all counts of the above. so maybe YOU should leave and let the native americans get back their way of life and their land?
    ....yes I could be a better Muslim (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their drone attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the Middle East and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our home and bomb our people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want us to be like American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Allahfather.
    ...
    Uhhhh... yup.
    Post edited by Cosmo on
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,056
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Christian (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their terrorist attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the US and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our flag and behead people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want to be American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Godfather.

    muslims are not doing this to america. your ancestors, however, well they are guilty as charged on all counts of the above. so maybe YOU should leave and let the native americans get back their way of life and their land?

    Great point!
    Cosmo wrote:
    And maybe we should stop going to the Middle East and trying to make it look like the Mall of America.
    Totally agree!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited June 2013
    aerial wrote:
    Remember it was the Africans them self that sold there own people to America to BE SLAVES... :fp:

    Were you off sick from school on the day they taught you about the slave trade?

    Then again, didn't you tell us that this subject was all you were taught for six years? Funny that after six years of being taught this subject that you still don't know anything about it.

    Firstly, Africa isn't, and never was, a country. Secondly, before Europeans began colonizing West Africa the slave trade was largely consigned to East Africa, and was conducted by Arabs who controlled much of the area along the Horn of Africa, and transported them to the Middle East.
    As for the Atlantic slave trade, this would never have occurred if Europeans hadn't begun flooding the interior of Africa with guns during the 16th-17th centuries and establishing trading routes into the interior, stoking tribal conflicts and then reaping the rewards. The majority of people sold as slaves were prisoners of war, and therefore outsiders to those doing the selling, a situation common in much of the World. And as for selling their own people, they were no more selling 'their own' than Europeans were 'killing their own' during the Holocaust.

    Then again, so what? Does the fact that Africans played a part in this massive crime mean that you can wash your hands of it? Can the Nazis wash their hands of the holocaust due to the fact that some French played a part in it by rounding up and transporting Jews East to the concentration camps?
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    brianlux wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Christian (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their terrorist attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the US and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our flag and behead people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want to be American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Godfather.

    muslims are not doing this to america. your ancestors, however, well they are guilty as charged on all counts of the above. so maybe YOU should leave and let the native americans get back their way of life and their land?

    Great point!
    Cosmo wrote:
    And maybe we should stop going to the Middle East and trying to make it look like the Mall of America.
    Totally agree!
    ...
    Check out my re-write on the subject.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    aerial wrote:
    I wonder if there was ever a race that was not slaved at sometime in history? Not say that is an excuse.....


    When Christians were slaves to the Muslims the Muslims just worked them to death because Christian Slaves were so cheap...
    The Untold Story of White Slavery

    Whites have forgotten what blacks take pains to remember.



    .....From a number of sources, therefore, Prof. Davis estimates that the death rate was about 20 percent per year. Slaves had no access to women, so replacement was exclusively through capture. His conclusion: "etween 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly a million and quite possibly as many as a million and a quarter white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast." This considerably exceeds the figure of 800,000 Africans generally accepted as having been transported to the North American colonies and, later, to the United States.


    The European powers were unable to stop this traffic. Prof. Davis reports that in the late 1700s, they had a better record of controlling the trade, but there was an upturn of white slavery during the chaos of the Napoleonic wars.

    American shipping was not exempt from predation either. Only in 1815, after two wars against them, were American sailors free of the Barbary pirates. These wars were significant operations for the young republic; one campaign is remembered in the words "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine hymn. When the French took over Algiers in 1830, there were still 120 whites slaves in the bagno.

    Why is there so little interest in Mediterranean slavery while scholarship and reflection on black slavery never ends? As Prof. Davis explains, white slaves with non-white masters simply do no fit "the master narrative of European imperialism." The victimization schemes so dear to academics require white wickedness, not white suffering.

    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... lavery.htm

    Nice article from a blog there Aerial. The author is also a holocaust revisionist whose articles appear in the Neo-Nazi website Stormfront:

    Holocaust Revisionism in One Easy Lesson
    By John "Birdman" Bryant
    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t848318/


    For more on this wacky individual that Aerial gets her 'facts' from: http://www.thebirdman.org/

    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Intro/I ... pions.html
    What This Webpage Champions
    By John "Birdman" Bryant


    The preservation and growth of Western civilization, from which most races have benefitted, but which was created in the main by only one: the white race
    White liberation from the oppression of minorities, particularly from the Jewish-Occupied Government (JOG) of not only America, but of the entire Western world
    Real free speech, which allows talking about all 'taboo' subjects, particularly including the role of Jewish influence in the world, Jewish dominance of institutions and their stranglehold on the mass media, the Holocaust lie, the genocide and culturcide perpetrated by Jews against whites, the nazi-like behavior of Israel, and racial inferiority and superiority
    A return to Constitutional government, as expressed by the Founders' 'original intent', and a rejection of the present day view of so many judges that the Constitution is a 'living document', ie, dead-letter.
    Opposition to the so-called New World Order, which seeks dominance of the world by a small elite which is closely tied to bankers, large corporations and the rich, and which is represented by such secretive and exclusive but powerful groups as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, the Roundtable groups, and the like
    Opposition to illegal immigration, which our government deliberately encourages, and which is overwhelming the Southwest (and indeed the entire nation) with millions of persons -- mostly Mexicans -- whose gene pool is inferior and whose culture is hostile to that of the majority population of America.
    Opposition to governmental anti-white discrimination (affirmative action and similar policies)
    Opposition to 'multiculturalism' and other forms of race-mixing whose evident intent is to destroy the white gene pool and cause Western society to self-destruct by exploding in racial war
    The right of all minorities to self-determination and their place in the sun
    Actonite libertarianism, ie, the policy of maximizing individual freedom while keeping power as dispersed as reasonably possible so as to avoid the pitfall so well expressed by Lord Acton that 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'
    Scientific spiritualism, which seeks to put religion and psi phenomena on a scientific basis and thereby help mankind rediscover his place in the Cosmos in light of modern developments, and which seeks the rediscovery of the Great White Spirit of our ancestors which was the ultimate force behind the creation of Western civilization
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited June 2013
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Let's put this into perspective...
    Facts:
    The vast majority of the people who commit terrorist acts, claim to be Muslim.
    The vast majority of Ku Klux Klansmen claim Christianity as their religion.
    ...
    Conclusions:
    We can easily accept the fact that Not all Christians are Klansmen.
    Why can't we accept the fact that all muslims are not terrorists?


    because I'm bull headed and pissed off :mrgreen: about all the terrorest acts honor killing's etc. being done by muslim people and now I don't trust any of them...yeah yeah I know it's not politicaly correct but neither is a muslim terrorest or a muslim father/husband that kills out of some misguided honer .
    I not asking anybody to follow my opinion or even agree with me,right now this is how I feel about the whole mess.


    Godfather.


    I too am bull headed and pissed off and I am a fan of no religion. but im not gonna suggest that those of religion be 'shipped back to where they came from' just to appease me.. because it wouldn't appease me... and it wouldn't stop acts of terrorism whether it be by those of the Islamic faith or those who identify as christian. but then again every single day of my life im surrounded by muslims(and christians) and I can separate muslims(and christians) from terrorists.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Aerial, why do you constantly read racist neo-Nazi websites? Seriously, what's the appeal to you of reading these hate-mongers? Are you, or is somebody close to you, a member of a right-wing militia, or the KKK?

    Secondly, are you really a fan of Pearl Jam?
  • Byrnzie wrote:

    Real free speech, which allows talking about all 'taboo' subjects, particularly including the role of Jewish influence in the world, Jewish dominance of institutions and their stranglehold on the mass media, the Holocaust lie, the genocide and culturcide perpetrated by Jews against whites, the nazi-like behavior of Israel, and racial inferiority and superiority

    Opposition to illegal immigration, which our government deliberately encourages, and which is overwhelming the Southwest (and indeed the entire nation) with millions of persons -- mostly Mexicans -- whose gene pool is inferior and whose culture is hostile to that of the majority population of America.

    Opposition to 'multiculturalism' and other forms of race-mixing whose evident intent is to destroy the white gene pool and cause Western society to self-destruct by exploding in racial war

    These things jumped out at me as being particularly disturbing.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,219
    Cosmo wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Muslim (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their drone attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the Middle East and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our home and bomb our people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want us to be like American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Allahfather.
    ...
    Uhhhh... yup.

    :lol: :P
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Real free speech, which allows talking about all 'taboo' subjects, particularly including the role of Jewish influence in the world, Jewish dominance of institutions and their stranglehold on the mass media, the Holocaust lie, the genocide and culturcide perpetrated by Jews against whites, the nazi-like behavior of Israel, and racial inferiority and superiority

    Opposition to illegal immigration, which our government deliberately encourages, and which is overwhelming the Southwest (and indeed the entire nation) with millions of persons -- mostly Mexicans -- whose gene pool is inferior and whose culture is hostile to that of the majority population of America.

    Opposition to 'multiculturalism' and other forms of race-mixing whose evident intent is to destroy the white gene pool and cause Western society to self-destruct by exploding in racial war

    These things jumped out at me as being particularly disturbing.

    Looks like this neo-Nazi, holocaust revisionist scumbag that Aerial gets her 'facts' from had his Wiki page taken down due to propagating hate-speech. I wonder if Aerial blames that act on 'pedophile Muslims' trying to take over 'her' country?
  • JBiiJBii Posts: 354
    I've learned about hate, something to pick and choose.
    That what you fear the most could meet you halfway
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their terrorist attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the US and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our flag and behead people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want to be American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    'Them', 'them', 'their', 'they', 'fuck 'em', 'they, 'they', 'fuck 'em', 'them', 'they'.

    Your ancestors came to the U.S and committed genocide against the native population. Your ancestors then used black slaves from Africa to help build your nation. How's that for outsiders?
    As for any Arabs, and/or Muslims, who happen to live in America today, how many of them are engaged in extremism and/or terrorism? And by the way, nobody's demanding you change your laws or your 'way of believing'. That's just a load of horseshit conjured up by the likes of the racist far-right hate groups that your friend Aerial likes so much.

    Seriously, you need to switch off your t.v and get out more.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Cosmo wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Muslim (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their drone attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the Middle East and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our home and bomb our people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want us to be like American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Allahfather.
    ...
    Uhhhh... yup.

    :lol: :P

    :lol:

    brilliant!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Cosmo wrote:
    ....yes I could be a better Muslim (but then who couldn't), hate to me means about the same as damning some to hell and that my friend is way beyond me.
    as I have said before I don't trust them and I am pissed off at them for their drone attacks on our country and others,I'm pissed off because they come to the Middle East and demand we change our laws and our way of believing (fuck em !)to suit their happy asses, they burn our home and bomb our people and stream the video for all to see and the next thing ya know they want us to be like American citizens and again I say fuck em !!! let them stay where they come from and send the others back to re-join them.

    Allahfather.

    :clap:
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    it's amazing this thread has almost made it a week.

    :corn:
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