Islamophobia

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited June 2013 in A Moving Train
Seems to be alive and well in the World, including right here on the M.T.

When did it become acceptable to slander a quarter of the Worlds population as backward, oppressed, and dangerously violent, and even as pedophiles, and who seek to take over our countries and enslave us?


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 98642.html

'...Muslim-Americans, as well as Hindus, Sikhs and others who purportedly "look Muslim" have been humiliated, assaulted and in many cases murdered by individuals often galvanised to violence by politicians and media figures who have enthusiastically engaged in public hatemongering against the Muslim community in the country.

Anti-Muslim violence increases

The 9/11 attacks precipitated a surge in hate crimes, but even as the events themselves recede further into history, the level of hatred and violence directed at Muslim communities is paradoxically increasing. Within the past month, in New York alone, police have suspected racial hatred as being the motive behind several crimes.

This includes a string of murders specifically targeting Middle Eastern storekeepers in Brooklyn, the last of whom, a 78-year old Iranian immigrant named Rahmatollah Vahidipour, was shot to death while closing his boutique and whose lifeless body was then dragged to a backroom and covered over with merchandise from his store.

Within the same week as Vahidipour's murder another Muslim man was viciously beaten by two men who preceded their attack by asking him whether he was "a Hindu or a Muslim", while another man was stabbed several times outside of a mosque in a random attack by an assailant who screamed "I'm going to kill you Muslim", while repeatedly plunging a knife into his victims' body.

Far from being aberrations, these incidents are in line with national statistics which show anti-Muslim violence in America nearing record highs, a trend which comes in tandem with highly public campaigns against mosque construction as well as fear-mongering by politicians and media figures regarding alleged plots by Muslim-Americans to override the constitution and impose Islamic law on the country.

The US election cycle also saw Muslims used as convenient targets for politicians seeking office, with one example being incumbent Illinois House of Representatives Republican Joe Walsh who told a cheering crowd at a campaign rally that "Muslims are here trying to kill Americans everyday", before making a baseless and highly incendiary claim that radical Islam had "infiltrated" the Chicago suburbs and that Muslims there were planning an attack that would "make 9/11 look like child's play".

While working the crowd into hysterics was a convenient campaign strategy for Walsh, just days later the Muslim community experienced the consequences of his rhetoric. A man opened fire on an Illinois mosque while it was packed with hundreds of congregants for Ramadan. The next day, another mosque was hit with an acid bomb thrown at a window while worshippers had gathered for night services.

...the use of Muslims as a punching bag by opportunistic politicians seeking a minority group to scapegoat has become a regular feature of American political life which shows no signs of abating, despite the "trickle-down" effect by which this bigotry is now manifesting itself in real violence against innocent Muslim-Americans on a regular basis.

Behind this hatemongering lies a deep cynicism, as leading anti-Muslim politicians such as Newt Gingrich who have warned of "stealth jihad" and other nefarious plots by Muslims in America were within recent years helping facilitate Sharia-compliant finance programmes in the country and who maintained notably cordial relations with prominent Muslim leaders...
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  • Interesting. Aside from the hate.

    Doesn't somebody even like you ever wonder why riots in Sweden and other countries happen and the excuse is the people who's country it is, are not doing their best to help these people. I find that odd. Stick to yourself, and don't want to integrate, yet it is your new countries problem. Not just muslims, but as your read puts it, they are the (insert) de jour.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Interesting. Aside from the hate.

    Doesn't somebody even like you ever wonder why riots in Sweden and other countries happen and the excuse is the people who's country it is, are not doing their best to help these people. I find that odd. Stick to yourself, and don't want to integrate, yet it is your new countries problem. Not just muslims, but as your read puts it, they are the (insert) de jour.

    I don't think it has anything to with the native (insert: 'white') people of Western countries 'not doing their best to help these people'. The issue here is hatemongering, bigotry, and violence against Muslims. And where did you come up with the idea that Muslims don't wish to integrate? I knew many Muslims in London who integrated just fine.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/M ... ainstream/

    Making Islamophobia Mainstream - How Muslim-bashers broadcast their bigotry

    By Steve Rendall and Isabel Macdonald



    '...The term “Islamophobia” refers to hostility toward Islam and Muslims that tends to dehumanize an entire faith, portraying it as fundamentally alien and attributing to its followers an inherent, essential set of negative traits, such as irrationality, intolerance and violence. And not unlike the charges made in the classic document of anti-Semitism, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, some of Islamophobia’s more virulent expressions—like While Europe Slept—include evocations of Islamic plots to dominate the West.

    Islamic institutions and Muslims, of course, should be subject to the same kind of scrutiny and criticism as anyone else. For instance, when a Norwegian Islamic Council debates whether gay men and lesbians should be executed, one may forcefully condemn individuals or groups sharing that opinion without pulling all European Muslims into it, as did Bawer’s Pajamas Media post (8/7/08), “European Muslims Debate: Should Gays Be Executed?”

    Similarly, extremists who justify their violent actions by invoking some particular interpretation of Islam can be criticized without implicating the enormously diverse population of Muslims around the world. After all, reporters managed to cover the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh—an adherent of the racist Christian Identity sect—without resorting to generalized statements about “Christian terrorism.” Likewise, media have covered acts of terrorism by fanatics who are Jewish—for instance, the Hebron massacre carried out by Baruch Goldstein (Extra!, 5-6/94)—without implicating the entirety of Judaism.

    In works such as Orientalism and Covering Islam, cultural analyst Edward Said criticized an ideology that he argued treated peoples of the Middle East and Asia, particularly Muslims, as the “other”—inherently different from and inferior to the people of “the West.” It’s not hard to find support for his thesis in U.S. establishment journalism.

    In reporting on an Iraqi family’s refusal to accept a cash payment after their son was shot dead by private U.S. security contractor Blackwater, the L.A. Times (5/4/08) emphasized that the “shooting and its aftermath show the deep disconnect between the American legal process and the traditional culture of Iraq,” explaining that “traditional Arab society values honor and decorum above all.”

    Similarly, a New York Times news article (8/25/08) about the Afghan response to a U.S. military attack in Afghanistan that killed 90 civilians noted that bombings and house raids “are seen as culturally unacceptable by many Afghans who guard their privacy fiercely,” while the detention of hundreds of Afghans without trial was said to have “stirred up Afghans’ strong independent streak and ancient dislike of invaders.”

    Why is it necessary to invoke cultural stereotypes to explain why you won’t accept an envelope full of cash after mercenaries kill your child? Or to explain quite normal opposition to being bombed, detained or aggressively searched? Because the widespread assumption in the U.S. media is that people in Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Muslim world, are fundamentally unlike Americans.

    There are many varieties of Muslim-bashing on display in the media. One strain holds that Islam is inherently evil or violent—a “bloody, brutal type of religion,” as televangelist Pat Robertson put it (700 Club, 4/28/06). Robert Spencer, who has authored two New York Times bestsellers on Islam and is a frequent cable news guest, puts a scholarly face on Islamophobia, arguing that (Emory Wheel, 2/21/07) “jihad as warfare against non-believers in order to institute ‘Sharia’ worldwide . . . is a constant element of mainstream Islamic theology.”

    Islamophobes like Fox News and talk radio host Sean Hannity dwell on “the silence of moderate Muslims,” whom Hannity says (Hannity & Colmes, 7/13/07) are insufficiently “critical against those that would hijack their religion”—placing a burden on Muslims to take responsibility for extremist fringe elements of their religion that is not likewise applied to Christians. Also exemplifying this form of Islamophobia is CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck, who said to Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress (Glenn Beck, 11/14/06). “Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies”; on his syndicated radio show, Beck warned (Glenn Beck Program, 8/10/06):

    "All you Muslims who have sat on your frickin’ hands the whole time and have not been marching in the streets and have not been saying, “Hey, you know what? There are good Muslims and bad Muslims. We need to be the first ones in the recruitment office lining up to shoot the bad Muslims in the head.” I’m telling you, with God as my witness . . . human beings are not strong enough, unfortunately, to restrain themselves from putting up razor wire and putting you on one side of it."

    Another category of Islamophobia finds militant Muslims lurking around every corner and paints them as an existential threat to the U.S. and its allies. The documentary 'Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West' (2006), which has been a mainstay of David Horowitz’s “Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week,” describes “radical Islam” as a menace comparable to Adolf Hitler that, according to the film’s website, “is threatening, with all the means at its disposal, to bow Western civilization under the yoke of its values.” The film was distributed as a paid insert by many major newspapers to tens of millions of subscribers in electoral swing states in September 2008 (Editor & Publisher, 9/13/08).

    ...This range of anti-Muslim views finds its vehicles in a variety of online, radio and print outlets. Some of the harshest Muslim-bashing can be found in the right-wing blogosphere (Little Green Footballs, Front Page, WorldNetDaily, Gates of Vienna, Michelle Malkin.com, Daniel Pipes.org) and on the websites which link to these blogs and generate their own anti-Muslim content (Middle East Forum, Campus Watch, Jihad Watch, Militant Islam Monitor), as well as on right-wing talk radio, where hosts like Michael Savage rabble-rouse with overtly bigoted commentary like (Savage Nation, 7/2/07), “When I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see . . . a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children.”

    ...The Islamophobia generated in these backwaters finds its way into the mainstream, accessing a national platform and audience through such tributaries as the cable TV and radio shows hosted by Fox News’ Sean Hannity and CNN Headline News’ Glenn Beck. Islamophobic ideas get important institutional support through conservative newspapers such as the New York Post, which regularly publishes Pipes’ columns, and many more centrist papers carry internment apologist Michelle Malkin’s nationally syndicated column.

    ...Muslim-bashers often have much more certainty than expertise, as exemplified by Alan Dershowitz (Boston Globe, 6/5/08), who traced “the beginning of Islamic terrorism in America” to the assassination of Robert Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan—a Palestinian Christian. But whether its promoters’ fears are reality-based or not, Islamophobia is a force to be reckoned with.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    all I can say is read the news man,have you ever heard of a islamic group building hosiptals or giving money to non muslim charitys ? there's a islamic church about 10 blocks from my house and believe me they seem to have no interest in anybody outside their church..infact I have on quite a few occasions seen them outside the church posting signs about our military and jumping up and down screaming some kind of bullshit, if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.

    Godfather.
  • foodboyfoodboy Posts: 988
    radical islam is a world wide cancer. this will be a major problem going forward. do you see any moderates of the faith condemning what just happened in great britain. very silent. they will try to use democracy to shut down democracy. there is absolutely no room for reason or negotiation.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    foodboy wrote:
    do you see any moderates of the faith condemning what just happened in great britain.

    Err, yeah:

    Woolwich Attack - Video Response From A Moderate Muslim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ftK1ph3DA

    Thousands of Muslims gathered to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 94815.html

    Newport Muslims join condemnation of Woolwich killing: http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/1 ... h_killing/


    http://ricochet.com/main-feed/British-M ... age-Attack

    British Muslims Condemn Yesterday's Savage Attack

    Faith Matters is a charity that supports entrepreneurs in the West Bank through micro and small business loans, as well as providing support to Palestinian women. Fiyaz Mughal, the director of Faith Matters, said:

    This is the kind of butchery we saw in places like Iraq and it’s appalling it is happening here.

    The vast majority of Muslims in Britain will be truly sickened. We have to come out and shout out against this type of violence. We have to say enough is enough.

    We have to make clear the line between voicing dissent and extremist violence. Muslims have to hammer home that anyone advocating this kind of horrific extremism will be shunned.

    The backbone of extremism has gone. What you have are cells of a few people reinforcing each other’s beliefs who are disillusioned, mentally vulnerable and often out of touch with their families.


    The Muslim Council of Britain stated outright that the killers' use of "Islamic slogans" indicated they were motivated by their faith. It went on to say:

    This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly. Our thoughts are with the victim and his family.

    We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces. Muslims have long served in this country's Armed Forces, proudly and with honour.

    This attack on a member of the Armed Forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder.


    Akbar Khan of the Building Bridges conflict resolution organization said:

    We totally condemn the killing of an innocent person in Woolwich this afternoon.

    And we also condemn all forms of extremism wherever they are.

    The thoughts of the Muslim community are with the family of the man who lost his life, and we pray for him.


    Mohammed Shafiq of the Ramadhan Foundation, which promotes moderate Islam and interfaith dialogue in the UK, said:

    I wish to condemn the evil and barbaric crime carried out today in Woolwich.

    Our immediate thoughts are with the family and friends of the victims. From whatever angle you see today's attack, it was at every level evil.

    We must allow the police to gather all the facts before unnecessary speculation and wait for the facts before determining its impact on our country.

    But what happens in the days to come, London and our nation will come together and will not be divided. The terrorists will never win and succeed in their evil plans.

    But tonight we think of the family of that soldier killed.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2013
    Godfather. wrote:
    all I can say is read the news man,have you ever heard of a islamic group building hosiptals or giving money to non muslim charitys ? there's a islamic church about 10 blocks from my house and believe me they seem to have no interest in anybody outside their church..infact I have on quite a few occasions seen them outside the church posting signs about our military and jumping up and down screaming some kind of bullshit, if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.


    We all know what you mean by 'News'.


    Meanwhile:


    Charitable Giving: The Fourth Pillar of Islam

    Every Muslim whose financial conditions are above a certain specified minimum, must pay annually at least 2.5% of his or her savings to a deserving needy person, a new convert to Islam, a traveler, or one overwhelmed by debts. This fosters in a Muslim the quality of sacrifice and rids one of selfishness, greed and vanity. As all wealth is a gift from Allah, one has the duty to help the needy when able to do so.


    "Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allaah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zaalimoon (wrongdoers those who disobey Allaah" [al-Mumtahinah 60:8-9]

    http://www.islamiccentre.org/index.php? ... &Itemid=88
    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ‘The best of people are the ones who bring benefit to people.’ Note that he did not say ‘brings benefit to Muslims only.’ When a person gives the donation with this intention – that he is trying to bring benefit to humanity – then certainly he will gain a reward from Allah.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zak%C4%81t
    Zakāt (Arabic: زكاة‎ [zæˈkæː], "that which purifies"[1]), or alms-giving is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality.

    According to the Quran, there are eight categories of people (asnaf) who qualify to receive zakat funds:[20][21]

    Those living in absolute poverty (Al-Fuqarā').
    Those restrained because they cannot meet their basic needs (Al-Masākīn).
    The zakat collectors themselves (Al-Āmilīna 'Alaihā).
    Non-Muslims who are sympathetic to Islam or wish to convert to Islam (Al-Mu'allafatu Qulūbuhum).
    People whom one is attempting to free from slavery or bondage. Also includes paying ransom or blood money (Diyya). (Fir-Riqāb)
    Those who have incurred overwhelming debts while attempting to satisfy their basic needs (Al-Ghārimīn).
    Those working in God's way (Fī Sabīlillāh).
    Children of the street / Travellers (Ibnus-Sabīl).

    http://muslimhands.org.uk/donate/
    Muslim Hands

    Established in 1993, Muslim Hands is an international aid agency and NGO working in over 50 countries worldwide to help those affected by natural disasters, conflict and poverty.

    History

    It was the crisis in Bosnia that prompted a community in Nottingham to send aid to those suffering in the conflict, which marked the formation of Muslim Hands.

    Since then Muslim Hands has not only responded to countless more emergencies but established schools, healthcare clinics and livelihoods programmes around the world.

    Beliefs and values

    Dedicated to tackling the root causes of poverty around the world, Muslim Hands is passionate about eradicating the many inequalities around us and committed to the long term development of building a fairer, safer world.

    Muslim Hands aims to provide an ethical service for the collection and distribution of funds in an effective, efficient, transparent and wholly accountable manner.


    http://www.islamicaid.com/
    Islamic Aid


    Our vision

    A world without poverty and injustice in which every person enjoys the right to a life with dignity

    Our mission

    To work with poor and excluded people to eradicate poverty and injustice.

    Our goals

    Poor and excluded people and communities will exercise power to secure their rights
    Women and girls will gain power to secure their rights
    Citizens and civil society across the world will fight for rights and justice
    States and their institutions will be accountable and democratic and will promote, protect and fulfil human rights for all.

    Our values

    Islamic Aid lives by the following values:

    Mutual respect, requiring us to recognise the innate worth of all people and the value of diversity equity and justice, requiring us to work to ensure equal opportunity to everyone, irrespective of race, age, gender, colour, class, ethnicity, disability, location and religion honest and transparency, being accountable at all levels for the effectiveness of our actions and open in our judgements and communications with others solidarity with the poor, powerless and excluded will be the only bias in our commitment to the fight against poverty courage of conviction, requiring us to be creative and radical, bold and innovative – without fear of failure – in pursuit of making the greatest possible impact on the causes of poverty independence from any religious or party-political affiliation humility in our presentation and behaviour, recognising that we are part of a wider alliance against poverty.
    ...............................................................................................................................


    How's that for 'News'? Amazing what a quick search on the internet can come up with.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Being an atheist I'm afraid of all of them.....doesn't matter if your Christian or Muslim. Paint them all with the same brush. (insert wink here)
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    dignin wrote:
    Being an atheist I'm afraid of all of them.....doesn't matter if your Christian or Muslim. Paint them all with the same brush. (insert wink here)
    to put a twist on things... i'm afraid of all atheists :mrgreen:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

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    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    chadwick wrote:
    dignin wrote:
    Being an atheist I'm afraid of all of them.....doesn't matter if your Christian or Muslim. Paint them all with the same brush. (insert wink here)
    to put a twist on things... i'm afraid of all atheists :mrgreen:

    As you should be....who knows what kind of shit were up to.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    chadwick wrote:
    dignin wrote:
    Being an atheist I'm afraid of all of them.....doesn't matter if your Christian or Muslim. Paint them all with the same brush. (insert wink here)
    to put a twist on things... i'm afraid of all atheists :mrgreen:
    I'm not. They know there is no afterlife.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    dignin wrote:
    Being an atheist I'm afraid of all of them.....doesn't matter if your Christian or Muslim. Paint them all with the same brush. (insert wink here)
    to put a twist on things... i'm afraid of all atheists :mrgreen:
    I'm not. They know there is no afterlife.
    fantastic post, Jason p
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    well ... whether it be religion or global warming ... people are being indoctrinated and divided systematically ... and at the root of it all ... greed ... if people no longer choose to think for themselves - this radicalization of people, religions, places will continue ...
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Islamic Aid lives by the following values:

    Mutual respect, requiring us to recognise the innate worth of all people and the value of diversity equity and justice, requiring us to work to ensure equal opportunity to everyone, irrespective of race, age, gender, colour, class, ethnicity, disability, location and religion honest and transparency, being accountable at all levels for the effectiveness of our actions and open in our judgements and communications with others solidarity with the poor, powerless and excluded will be the only bias in our commitment to the fight against poverty courage of conviction, requiring us to be creative and radical, bold and innovative – without fear of failure – in pursuit of making the greatest possible impact on the causes of poverty independence from any religious or party-political affiliation humility in our presentation and behaviour, recognising that we are part of a wider alliance against poverty.


    :lol::lol::lol: yeahhhh !!!!!

    Godfather.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    Godfather. wrote:
    Islamic Aid lives by the following values:

    Mutual respect, requiring us to recognise the innate worth of all people and the value of diversity equity and justice, requiring us to work to ensure equal opportunity to everyone, irrespective of race, age, gender, colour, class, ethnicity, disability, location and religion honest and transparency, being accountable at all levels for the effectiveness of our actions and open in our judgements and communications with others solidarity with the poor, powerless and excluded will be the only bias in our commitment to the fight against poverty courage of conviction, requiring us to be creative and radical, bold and innovative – without fear of failure – in pursuit of making the greatest possible impact on the causes of poverty independence from any religious or party-political affiliation humility in our presentation and behaviour, recognising that we are part of a wider alliance against poverty.


    :lol::lol::lol: yeahhhh !!!!!

    Godfather.
    they are all a bunch of communists. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    dignin wrote:
    Being an atheist I'm afraid of all of them.....doesn't matter if your Christian or Muslim. Paint them all with the same brush. (insert wink here)
    to put a twist on things... i'm afraid of all atheists :mrgreen:
    I'm not. They know there is no afterlife.
    they know shit.. :lol:
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • chadwick wrote:
    dignin wrote:
    Being an atheist I'm afraid of all of them.....doesn't matter if your Christian or Muslim. Paint them all with the same brush. (insert wink here)
    to put a twist on things... i'm afraid of all atheists :mrgreen:


    Your god will see you through, my son. 8-)

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • Byrnzie wrote:
    Interesting. Aside from the hate.

    Doesn't somebody even like you ever wonder why riots in Sweden and other countries happen and the excuse is the people who's country it is, are not doing their best to help these people. I find that odd. Stick to yourself, and don't want to integrate, yet it is your new countries problem. Not just muslims, but as your read puts it, they are the (insert) de jour.

    I don't think it has anything to with the native (insert: 'white') people of Western countries 'not doing their best to help these people'. The issue here is hatemongering, bigotry, and violence against Muslims. And where did you come up with the idea that Muslims don't wish to integrate? I knew many Muslims in London who integrated just fine.


    I'm not saying that all of em are the same. When all your fed in the news (America) is that they are all evil people, well it will spread. I know a lot of people who integrate from different countries and they don't have to be muslim. But since we are on that topic and France and Sweden came to my mind.
    Tongue in cheek......well if they get persecuted to the point of the 1940's, they may even get their own land.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,055
    polaris_x wrote:
    well ... whether it be religion or global warming ... people are being indoctrinated and divided systematically ... and at the root of it all ... greed ... if people no longer choose to think for themselves - this radicalization of people, religions, places will continue ...

    That sums it up quite well, polaris_x. It's also about fear. Pretty soon people will start distrusting their own shadows. It's ironic- the smaller the world becomes, the farther apart we get.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Godfather. wrote:
    .....if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.

    Godfather.

    To where? The US state they come from? The US town they come from? Just out of your neighbourhood?

    Why assume muslims are foreigners that can have their 'ass shipped back where they came from'? Being a muslim is not a citizenship, a nationality, a race...
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    redrock wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    .....if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.

    Godfather.

    To where? The US state they come from? The US town they come from? Just out of your neighbourhood?

    Why assume muslims are foreigners that can have their 'ass shipped back where they came from'? Being a muslim is not a citizenship, a nationality, a race...

    not all of em'.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather. wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    .....if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.

    Godfather.

    To where? The US state they come from? The US town they come from? Just out of your neighbourhood?

    Why assume muslims are foreigners that can have their 'ass shipped back where they came from'? Being a muslim is not a citizenship, a nationality, a race...

    not all of em'.

    Godfather.

    really? that's so sweet of you. now, which ones will you so graciously keep?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    Byrnzie, do you realize that it's okay to be in opposition to shit that is bad within a culture or society, and one isn't a bigot for it? You act as though the Islamic culture is without fault, which is clearly utterly ridiculous. You are in complete denial about serious problems within that community/culture. Such denial seems more like brainwashing to me, and it's the kind of denial that prevents those serious problems from being fixed. You are EXACTLY the same as those Americans who are blindly nationalistic, who you always speak against.

    (But OBVIOUSLY anti-Muslim violence and bigotry is wrong, but NO ONE on the AMT is doing that, so spare us the unwarranted accusations)
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
    my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
    I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

    Godfather.
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    Godfather. wrote:
    HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
    my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
    I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

    Godfather.

    Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    Moonpig wrote:

    Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind.

    This is true and it is sad to see them lumped in with the terrorists who pervert their religion.

    Some examples from around the world:

    http://www.onislam.net/english/news/ame ... dwide.html

    In the US, hostility has been rising against Muslims since plans were unveiled to build a mosque near the 9/11 site.

    In Britain, far-right groups as the English Defense League and the British National Party (BNP) use immigration problems to stoke sentiment against Muslims.

    In Germany, hostile sentiments against Muslims have grown, with a heated debate on the Muslim immigration into the country.

    A recent poll by the Munster University found that Germans view Muslims more negatively than their European neighbors.

    In Sri Lanka, Muslim has been thrown into tension following a string of serious incidents involving extremist Buddhist provocations against Muslims.

    The case for Burmese Muslims was not any way better.

    In April, more than 43 people were killed in a new bout of anti-Muslim violence in central Burma.
    Thousands of Rohingya Muslims have also been displaced from their homes in western Burma last year after a deadly wave of sectarian violence with the Buddhist majority.
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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
    my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
    I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

    Godfather.

    Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

    well man I hate to say it but...prove it.
    that aside your point has been taken, thanks'


    Godfather.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
    my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
    I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

    Godfather.

    Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion
    That's true... I wouldn't use the word vast, just because about 20 - 30% of the world's Muslim population can be considered extremist now, and that's actually a HUGE number. However, I do not for a second support not allowing people into North America just because they're Muslim. One of the best friends I ever had is Muslim. But I do support vigilant (but fair) screening and background checks, just because the number of extremists among that population IS so high. Yes, that sucks for those who aren't extremists, but that's not anyone's fault but the extremists'. I don't see any other way around it if we want to keep extremists out. That said, EVERYONE should be subjected to rigorous screening. Immigration is NOT a right, so I don't see any problem with that.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
    my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
    I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

    Godfather.

    Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion
    That's true... I wouldn't use the word vast, just because about 20 - 30% of the world's Muslim population can be considered extremist now, and that's actually a HUGE number. However, I do not for a second support not allowing people into North America just because they're Muslim. One of the best friends I ever had is Muslim. But I do support vigilant (but fair) screening and background checks, just because the number of extremists among that population IS so high. Yes, that sucks for those who aren't extremists, but that's not anyone's fault but the extremists'. I don't see any other way around it if we want to keep extremists out. That said, EVERYONE should be subjected to rigorous screening. Immigration is NOT a right, so I don't see any problem with that.

    I come from an area where naked sectarianism was rife, many people died and it will take generations to heal, America has experienced an afternoon of terrorism and had blown up half the fucking Middle East, and to top it all off, some in society still believe they hate you for your freedom!!!
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    Moonpig wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:

    Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion
    That's true... I wouldn't use the word vast, just because about 20 - 30% of the world's Muslim population can be considered extremist now, and that's actually a HUGE number. However, I do not for a second support not allowing people into North America just because they're Muslim. One of the best friends I ever had is Muslim. But I do support vigilant (but fair) screening and background checks, just because the number of extremists among that population IS so high. Yes, that sucks for those who aren't extremists, but that's not anyone's fault but the extremists'. I don't see any other way around it if we want to keep extremists out. That said, EVERYONE should be subjected to rigorous screening. Immigration is NOT a right, so I don't see any problem with that.

    I come from an area where naked sectarianism was rife, many people died and it will take generations to heal, America has experienced an afternoon of terrorism and had blown up half the fucking Middle East, and to top it all off, some in society still believe they hate you for your freedom!!!
    Not for our freedom. They hate us because we're infidels.... Sounds like you're trying to take the religious out of their cause. That's a mistake.

    I don't make excuses for extremists and terrorists. Or for any wrong-doing committed by the US.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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