knocking someone for their spelling and/or grammar on the internet is low brow.
I respectfully disagree. Once should conduct themselves with the dignity reflecting their actual intelligence at all times... Just my opinion. You do yourself an obvious disservice when you choose to come across as stupid, or even just lazy.
and calling someone out for it accomplishes what? jesus christ, if we all did that around here to everyone who misspoke or mistyped that would need its own forum. we could call it "Grievance".
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
knocking someone for their spelling and/or grammar on the internet is low brow.
I respectfully disagree. Once should conduct themselves with the dignity reflecting their actual intelligence at all times... Just my opinion. You do yourself an obvious disservice when you choose to come across as stupid, or even just lazy.
jesus christ, if we all did that around here to everyone who misspoke or mistyped that would need its own forum. we could call it "Grievance".
My name is Snakeduck, but I understand the confusion. Happens all the time...
i have been a big islam defender on here for a long time.
some of these things done by radical islamists in he name of islam recently have made it more and more difficult for me to defend their faith. these actions make the entire religion look bad. the same way that the westboro baptist church makes christianity look bad and the sexual abuse in the catholic church makes all catholics look bad.
i think the good elements of any religion need to step it up and be more visible and outshine the bad elements. nobody can do this unless the good elements in any faith rise up and stop their own lunatics. police their own house so to speak. the only people that can "fix" radical islam are muslims. the 95% of the regular everyday peaceful muslims. only they can stop the jihadis. the only ones who can "fix" pedophilia in the church are catholic members of that faith. the only people who can stop fred phelps are the regular christians. perhaps extreme acts of kindness will outshine the extreme acts of darkness.
i dunno, i am just rambling out loud i think....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
i have been a big islam defender on here for a long time.
Sorry to cut the quote but this is all i needed:
The problem is when something or someone needs defending, there is usually a problem either on the surface or below it. Ever have to defend one of your friends for something they did right? Of course not, life just continues until you have to defend them because they fucked up. Thus the problem with this thread. Let life be life and call an idiot who blows things up and idiot. No need for any racial or religious overtones to it.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
i have been a big islam defender on here for a long time.
some of these things done by radical islamists in he name of islam recently have made it more and more difficult for me to defend their faith. these actions make the entire religion look bad. the same way that the westboro baptist church makes christianity look bad and the sexual abuse in the catholic church makes all catholics look bad.
i think the good elements of any religion need to step it up and be more visible and outshine the bad elements. nobody can do this unless the good elements in any faith rise up and stop their own lunatics. police their own house so to speak. the only people that can "fix" radical islam are muslims. the 95% of the regular everyday peaceful muslims. only they can stop the jihadis. the only ones who can "fix" pedophilia in the church are catholic members of that faith. the only people who can stop fred phelps are the regular christians. perhaps extreme acts of kindness will outshine the extreme acts of darkness.
i dunno, i am just rambling out loud i think....
Perhaps if the good elements of any religion were more vocal in condemning the actions of the bad elements that would be effective as well.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
i have been a big islam defender on here for a long time.
Sorry to cut the quote but this is all i needed:
The problem is when something or someone needs defending, there is usually a problem either on the surface or below it. .
sometimes, something or someone need defending cos receive a unfair attack and cant defend him/its self or dont have the chance or the weapon to fight back..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
i have been a big islam defender on here for a long time.
Sorry to cut the quote but this is all i needed:
The problem is when something or someone needs defending, there is usually a problem either on the surface or below it. .
sometimes, something or someone need defending cos receive a unfair attack and cant defend him/its self or dont have the chance or the weapon to fight back..
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The problem is when something or someone needs defending, there is usually a problem either on the surface or below it. .
sometimes, something or someone need defending cos receive a unfair attack and cant defend him/its self or dont have the chance or the weapon to fight back..
also to point out the bigger picture.
i agree!!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Perhaps if the good elements of any religion were more vocal in condemning the actions of the bad elements that would be effective as well.
I think one of the problems with this is that when the so-called good elements do speak up, nobody listens. Often those factions will simply be lumped in with the original, radical group and will face accusations of kowtowing to Western powers to hide their true agenda. If this thread is any indication, people are highly partisan and are quick to dismiss persons they disagree with as well as any evidence they present.
We've heard about Lee Rigby's murder for the better part of a week, but how much emphasis has been placed on local Muslim groups that have vocally condemned his murder?. While I won't go so far as to suggest that this side of the story was ignored in its entirety, it certainly has been placed on the back burner. There's a thread with ten pages dedicated to Lee Rigby's murder which is basically a slugfest about religious extremism yet not once is it mentioned that Drummer Rigby's family is actually opposed to any reprisal or outbursts against Islamic culture http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22725999, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/drummer-lee-rigbys-family-reject-extremist-groups-using-woolwich-murder-for-political-gain-8639417.html. It's rather sad that the victim's family and local muslim groups have shown more levelheadedness about this issue when they are the ones that have been impacted so personally.
Just how vocal do people need to be when the masses refuse to listen?
i have been a big islam defender on here for a long time.
some of these things done by radical islamists in he name of islam recently have made it more and more difficult for me to defend their faith. these actions make the entire religion look bad. the same way that the westboro baptist church makes christianity look bad and the sexual abuse in the catholic church makes all catholics look bad.
i think the good elements of any religion need to step it up and be more visible and outshine the bad elements. nobody can do this unless the good elements in any faith rise up and stop their own lunatics. police their own house so to speak. the only people that can "fix" radical islam are muslims. the 95% of the regular everyday peaceful muslims. only they can stop the jihadis. the only ones who can "fix" pedophilia in the church are catholic members of that faith. the only people who can stop fred phelps are the regular christians. perhaps extreme acts of kindness will outshine the extreme acts of darkness.
i dunno, i am just rambling out loud i think....
These are points well worth noting. There will always be fringe elements of any group be it religious, political, environmental, artistic or whatever that make other member of that group look bad. The truth is, most people everywhere are decent folks just trying to go about the business of living.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
you guys have a habbit of twisting the words of others around a little, you assume I hate because I say I don't want muslims in my country when I have never used the word hate towards anybody.
Godfather.
Well I for one can say that I am prejudice against bigots. Uneducated inbred morons the lot of them.
Just because their intent isn't to terrorize civians doesn't mean they are justified in what they do intend to do or how they do it.
No, their proclaimed intent is irrelevant in light of the actual consequences of their actions. If you drop 500Ib bombs, and cluster munitions, on civilian areas, then the result will be terrorizing the population.
No shit. I already said that. I said that wasn't their motivation and i tent, vs what the motovation and intent of terrorists is, despite the fact that the US's actions still can have he effect of scaring and killing innocent civilians. Seriously, please pay attention to what I've written if you're going to try and discuss what I've said. Your intent seems to be to disagree with with me no matter what I've actually.said; kind of strange. You've been drilling me on a really minor and objective post about how terrorists and the US (or usually any nation with an organized military campaign) have different intentions and motivations. The comments were practically irrelevant to the main discussion, and only a response to some random comment someone made about the US and terrorosts being exactly the same, which I don't agree with. I don't understand why you are still trying to pick a fight over that post, or why you have just created meaning for it out of thin air. Is it because you've run out of arguments for every other point?
Because their proclaimed intentions are irrelevant when the outcome of their actions is the same.
all I can say is read the news man,have you ever heard of a islamic group building hosiptals or giving money to non muslim charitys ? there's a islamic church about 10 blocks from my house and believe me they seem to have no interest in anybody outside their church..infact I have on quite a few occasions seen them outside the church posting signs about our military and jumping up and down screaming some kind of bullshit, if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.
Godfather.
This is the kind of view is an example of why other's hate us.
Not all muslim people are evil. I met plenty in college and they are generous people. To want to ship them all back because of what a portion does is stupid, prejudice, and terrible.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
you guys have a habbit of twisting the words of others around a little, you assume I hate because I say I don't want muslims in my country when I have never used the word hate towards anybody.
Godfather.
Well I for one can say that I am prejudice against bigots. Uneducated inbred morons the lot of them.
and I am prejudice against ........welll no need to upset the few on this board.
you guys have a habbit of twisting the words of others around a little, you assume I hate because I say I don't want muslims in my country when I have never used the word hate towards anybody.
Godfather.
Well I for one can say that I am prejudice against bigots. Uneducated inbred morons the lot of them.
and I am prejudice against ........welll no need to upset the few on this board.
Godfather.
Here's the thing man, the guys that set off the bombs in Boston are scum, guys that flew the planes into the towers are scum, the American soldiers that shoot random civilians are scum, they are not representative of millions of people.
Like I've said before, I come from a nation where terrorism was rife, it was easy to generalise, very easy. And to be honest there was a long time where I did just that, I strongly disliked the British. However that's a dangerous road to go down, it becomes easy to explain away atrocities that are carried out.
What I've learned is that if I was born on the other side of the street I'd have probably been of the opinion my so called enimies held, so what it all comes down to is perception. Both sides are wrong, if we can't view others as at least human, is it any wonder that we begin to act like animals?
Well I for one can say that I am prejudice against bigots. Uneducated inbred morons the lot of them.
and I am prejudice against ........welll no need to upset the few on this board.
Godfather.
Here's the thing man, the guys that set off the bombs in Boston are scum, guys that flew the planes into the towers are scum, the American soldiers that shoot random civilians are scum, they are not representative of millions of people.
Like I've said before, I come from a nation where terrorism was rife, it was easy to generalise, very easy. And to be honest there was a long time where I did just that, I strongly disliked the British. However that's a dangerous road to go down, it becomes easy to explain away atrocities that are carried out.
What I've learned is that if I was born on the other side of the street I'd have probably been of the opinion my so called enimies held, so what it all comes down to is perception. Both sides are wrong, if we can't view others as at least human, is it any wonder that we begin to act like animals?
My two cents, for what it's worth.
look for what is shared in common than how we are different. Goes a long way toward healing.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Great example of normal people doing normal things. Judging by the name of the surgeon who repaired my wife's eye, I'm guessing she comes from an Islamic background. She's a wonderful person and does great work- restoring sight! The Iranian guy who used to run the gas station down the road always had a kind word and often called me "brother"- not because I'm Islamic or pro-terrorist (I'm not) but because I didn't snub him and we were respectful and pleasant with each other.
People who have a fear and/or hatred of others because of the color of their skin, their race or creed or religion would do well to get out more often and meet more people and discover that, for the most part, we're all more similar than different. We all pretty much want the same things.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Great example of normal people doing normal things. Judging by the name of the surgeon who repaired my wife's eye, I'm guessing she comes from an Islamic background. She's a wonderful person and does great work- restoring sight! The Iranian guy who used to run the gas station down the road always had a kind word and often called me "brother"- not because I'm Islamic or pro-terrorist (I'm not) but because I didn't snub him and we were respectful and pleasant with each other.
People who have a fear and/or hatred of others because of the color of their skin, their race or creed or religion would do well to get out more often and meet more people and discover that, for the most part, we're all more similar than different. We all pretty much want the same things.
Your last sentence, YES ad infinitum. And also to mickeyrat & Moonpig.
I've mixed avoidance with observance in this thread so far. So not black and white, and much room for education, if not experience. I love some of the common sense and openminded comments I've read.
(brian, my Persian uncle used to call my father "brother". It's one among the many things I loved about him)
(GF, sometimes your comments throw me for a loop - as do those of pretty much everyone else from time to time, and I'm sure I've done the same...would still shake your hand if I met you - again, those of most everyone else here)
pps to brian - continued good thoughts to your wife.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
how to make a bomb and blow Americans....i guess is what you think all muslims do,right?
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......
We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.
If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Why? You considering enrolling for one of his courses?
Depends on what his course is.....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
how to make a bomb and blow Americans....i guess is what you think all muslims do,right?
NO
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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It's funny how I can understand your posts much easier than some of the native English speakers around here.
Godfather.
and calling someone out for it accomplishes what? jesus christ, if we all did that around here to everyone who misspoke or mistyped that would need its own forum. we could call it "Grievance".
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
My name is Snakeduck, but I understand the confusion. Happens all the time...
and if I had said "motherf**ker....if we all....." would you have said the same?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Almost certainly...
some of these things done by radical islamists in he name of islam recently have made it more and more difficult for me to defend their faith. these actions make the entire religion look bad. the same way that the westboro baptist church makes christianity look bad and the sexual abuse in the catholic church makes all catholics look bad.
i think the good elements of any religion need to step it up and be more visible and outshine the bad elements. nobody can do this unless the good elements in any faith rise up and stop their own lunatics. police their own house so to speak. the only people that can "fix" radical islam are muslims. the 95% of the regular everyday peaceful muslims. only they can stop the jihadis. the only ones who can "fix" pedophilia in the church are catholic members of that faith. the only people who can stop fred phelps are the regular christians. perhaps extreme acts of kindness will outshine the extreme acts of darkness.
i dunno, i am just rambling out loud i think....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Sorry to cut the quote but this is all i needed:
The problem is when something or someone needs defending, there is usually a problem either on the surface or below it. Ever have to defend one of your friends for something they did right? Of course not, life just continues until you have to defend them because they fucked up. Thus the problem with this thread. Let life be life and call an idiot who blows things up and idiot. No need for any racial or religious overtones to it.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Perhaps if the good elements of any religion were more vocal in condemning the actions of the bad elements that would be effective as well.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think one of the problems with this is that when the so-called good elements do speak up, nobody listens. Often those factions will simply be lumped in with the original, radical group and will face accusations of kowtowing to Western powers to hide their true agenda. If this thread is any indication, people are highly partisan and are quick to dismiss persons they disagree with as well as any evidence they present.
We've heard about Lee Rigby's murder for the better part of a week, but how much emphasis has been placed on local Muslim groups that have vocally condemned his murder?. While I won't go so far as to suggest that this side of the story was ignored in its entirety, it certainly has been placed on the back burner. There's a thread with ten pages dedicated to Lee Rigby's murder which is basically a slugfest about religious extremism yet not once is it mentioned that Drummer Rigby's family is actually opposed to any reprisal or outbursts against Islamic culture http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22725999, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/drummer-lee-rigbys-family-reject-extremist-groups-using-woolwich-murder-for-political-gain-8639417.html. It's rather sad that the victim's family and local muslim groups have shown more levelheadedness about this issue when they are the ones that have been impacted so personally.
Just how vocal do people need to be when the masses refuse to listen?
These are points well worth noting. There will always be fringe elements of any group be it religious, political, environmental, artistic or whatever that make other member of that group look bad. The truth is, most people everywhere are decent folks just trying to go about the business of living.
Well I for one can say that I am prejudice against bigots. Uneducated inbred morons the lot of them.
Because their proclaimed intentions are irrelevant when the outcome of their actions is the same.
This is the kind of view is an example of why other's hate us.
Not all muslim people are evil. I met plenty in college and they are generous people. To want to ship them all back because of what a portion does is stupid, prejudice, and terrible.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
One of my favorites by far...
and I am prejudice against ........welll no need to upset the few on this board.
Godfather.
Here's the thing man, the guys that set off the bombs in Boston are scum, guys that flew the planes into the towers are scum, the American soldiers that shoot random civilians are scum, they are not representative of millions of people.
Like I've said before, I come from a nation where terrorism was rife, it was easy to generalise, very easy. And to be honest there was a long time where I did just that, I strongly disliked the British. However that's a dangerous road to go down, it becomes easy to explain away atrocities that are carried out.
What I've learned is that if I was born on the other side of the street I'd have probably been of the opinion my so called enimies held, so what it all comes down to is perception. Both sides are wrong, if we can't view others as at least human, is it any wonder that we begin to act like animals?
My two cents, for what it's worth.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Great example of normal people doing normal things. Judging by the name of the surgeon who repaired my wife's eye, I'm guessing she comes from an Islamic background. She's a wonderful person and does great work- restoring sight! The Iranian guy who used to run the gas station down the road always had a kind word and often called me "brother"- not because I'm Islamic or pro-terrorist (I'm not) but because I didn't snub him and we were respectful and pleasant with each other.
People who have a fear and/or hatred of others because of the color of their skin, their race or creed or religion would do well to get out more often and meet more people and discover that, for the most part, we're all more similar than different. We all pretty much want the same things.
I've mixed avoidance with observance in this thread so far. So not black and white, and much room for education, if not experience. I love some of the common sense and openminded comments I've read.
(brian, my Persian uncle used to call my father "brother". It's one among the many things I loved about him)
(GF, sometimes your comments throw me for a loop - as do those of pretty much everyone else from time to time, and I'm sure I've done the same...would still shake your hand if I met you - again, those of most everyone else here)
pps to brian - continued good thoughts to your wife.
What does he teach?
Why? You considering enrolling for one of his courses?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.
If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?
Depends on what his course is.....
NO