Islamophobia

Godfather.

redrock wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

.....if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.

Godfather.

To where? The US state they come from? The US town they come from? Just out of your neighbourhood?

Why assume muslims are foreigners that can have their 'ass shipped back where they came from'? Being a muslim is not a citizenship, a nationality, a race...

not all of em'.

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

redrock wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

.....if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.

Godfather.

To where? The US state they come from? The US town they come from? Just out of your neighbourhood?

Why assume muslims are foreigners that can have their 'ass shipped back where they came from'? Being a muslim is not a citizenship, a nationality, a race...

not all of em'.

Godfather.

really? that's so sweet of you. now, which ones will you so graciously keep?

PJ_Soul

Byrnzie, do you realize that it's okay to be in opposition to shit that is bad within a culture or society, and one isn't a bigot for it? You act as though the Islamic culture is without fault, which is clearly utterly ridiculous. You are in complete denial about serious problems within that community/culture. Such denial seems more like brainwashing to me, and it's the kind of denial that prevents those serious problems from being fixed. You are EXACTLY the same as those Americans who are blindly nationalistic, who you always speak against.

(But OBVIOUSLY anti-Muslim violence and bigotry is wrong, but NO ONE on the AMT is doing that, so spare us the unwarranted accusations)

Godfather.

HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

Godfather.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

Godfather.

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

JimmyV

Moonpig wrote:

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind.

This is true and it is sad to see them lumped in with the terrorists who pervert their religion.

Some examples from around the world:

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/ame ... dwide.html

In the US, hostility has been rising against Muslims since plans were unveiled to build a mosque near the 9/11 site.

In Britain, far-right groups as the English Defense League and the British National Party (BNP) use immigration problems to stoke sentiment against Muslims.

In Germany, hostile sentiments against Muslims have grown, with a heated debate on the Muslim immigration into the country.

A recent poll by the Munster University found that Germans view Muslims more negatively than their European neighbors.

In Sri Lanka, Muslim has been thrown into tension following a string of serious incidents involving extremist Buddhist provocations against Muslims.

The case for Burmese Muslims was not any way better.

In April, more than 43 people were killed in a new bout of anti-Muslim violence in central Burma.
Thousands of Rohingya Muslims have also been displaced from their homes in western Burma last year after a deadly wave of sectarian violence with the Buddhist majority.

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

Godfather.

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

well man I hate to say it but...prove it.
that aside your point has been taken, thanks'


Godfather.

PJ_Soul

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

Godfather.

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

That's true... I wouldn't use the word vast, just because about 20 - 30% of the world's Muslim population can be considered extremist now, and that's actually a HUGE number. However, I do not for a second support not allowing people into North America just because they're Muslim. One of the best friends I ever had is Muslim. But I do support vigilant (but fair) screening and background checks, just because the number of extremists among that population IS so high. Yes, that sucks for those who aren't extremists, but that's not anyone's fault but the extremists'. I don't see any other way around it if we want to keep extremists out. That said, EVERYONE should be subjected to rigorous screening. Immigration is NOT a right, so I don't see any problem with that.

Moonpig

PJ_Soul wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

Godfather.

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

That's true... I wouldn't use the word vast, just because about 20 - 30% of the world's Muslim population can be considered extremist now, and that's actually a HUGE number. However, I do not for a second support not allowing people into North America just because they're Muslim. One of the best friends I ever had is Muslim. But I do support vigilant (but fair) screening and background checks, just because the number of extremists among that population IS so high. Yes, that sucks for those who aren't extremists, but that's not anyone's fault but the extremists'. I don't see any other way around it if we want to keep extremists out. That said, EVERYONE should be subjected to rigorous screening. Immigration is NOT a right, so I don't see any problem with that.

I come from an area where naked sectarianism was rife, many people died and it will take generations to heal, America has experienced an afternoon of terrorism and had blown up half the fucking Middle East, and to top it all off, some in society still believe they hate you for your freedom!!!

PJ_Soul

Moonpig wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

That's true... I wouldn't use the word vast, just because about 20 - 30% of the world's Muslim population can be considered extremist now, and that's actually a HUGE number. However, I do not for a second support not allowing people into North America just because they're Muslim. One of the best friends I ever had is Muslim. But I do support vigilant (but fair) screening and background checks, just because the number of extremists among that population IS so high. Yes, that sucks for those who aren't extremists, but that's not anyone's fault but the extremists'. I don't see any other way around it if we want to keep extremists out. That said, EVERYONE should be subjected to rigorous screening. Immigration is NOT a right, so I don't see any problem with that.

I come from an area where naked sectarianism was rife, many people died and it will take generations to heal, America has experienced an afternoon of terrorism and had blown up half the fucking Middle East, and to top it all off, some in society still believe they hate you for your freedom!!!

Not for our freedom. They hate us because we're infidels.... Sounds like you're trying to take the religious out of their cause. That's a mistake.

I don't make excuses for extremists and terrorists. Or for any wrong-doing committed by the US.

callen

Byrnzie wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Interesting. Aside from the hate.

Doesn't somebody even like you ever wonder why riots in Sweden and other countries happen and the excuse is the people who's country it is, are not doing their best to help these people. I find that odd. Stick to yourself, and don't want to integrate, yet it is your new countries problem. Not just muslims, but as your read puts it, they are the (insert) de jour.

I don't think it has anything to with the native (insert: 'white') people of Western countries 'not doing their best to help these people'. The issue here is hatemongering, bigotry, and violence against Muslims. And where did you come up with the idea that Muslims don't wish to integrate? I knew many Muslims in London who integrated just fine.

Think it’s herd mentality that’s used by those in power to keep us at strife as this expands their wealth and power.
All humans have same basic human needs and when those are met, we are fine. It’s when our leaders (state as well as religious) use our inherent drive to protect the herd and use this instinctive trait to blast the other team and that’s when we raise our arms against them. “USA USA USA” “Kill the Infidels” Hence why it’s so important to not wage war on another country, because this will ensure decades of easy propaganda to be used to easily control the herd. Invasion of Iraq.
Drop bombs and we have enemies for life.
When I speak to one of my fellow humans that feels the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim I remind them that they are people like you and I that have families, want secure safe place to sleep and some good grub now and then. I then get a blank stare as they ponder Muslims not being blood thirsty Christian killers.

PJ_Soul

callen wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Interesting. Aside from the hate.

Doesn't somebody even like you ever wonder why riots in Sweden and other countries happen and the excuse is the people who's country it is, are not doing their best to help these people. I find that odd. Stick to yourself, and don't want to integrate, yet it is your new countries problem. Not just muslims, but as your read puts it, they are the (insert) de jour.

I don't think it has anything to with the native (insert: 'white') people of Western countries 'not doing their best to help these people'. The issue here is hatemongering, bigotry, and violence against Muslims. And where did you come up with the idea that Muslims don't wish to integrate? I knew many Muslims in London who integrated just fine.

Think it’s herd mentality that’s used by those in power to keep us at strife as this expands their wealth and power.
All humans have same basic human needs and when those are met, we are fine. It’s when our leaders (state as well as religious) use our inherent drive to protect the herd and use this instinctive trait to blast the other team and that’s when we raise our arms against them. “USA USA USA” “Kill the Infidels” Hence why it’s so important to not wage war on another country, because this will ensure decades of easy propaganda to be used to easily control the herd. Invasion of Iraq.
Drop bombs and we have enemies for life.
When I speak to one of my fellow humans that feels the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim I remind them that they are people like you and I that have families, want secure safe place to sleep and some good grub now and then. I then get a blank stare as they ponder Muslims not being blood thirsty Christian killers.

I can't believe there are actually people out there who would talk like that.... I think that if they are callous and stupid enough to think that way in the first place, they are probably beyond hope, and who cares what they think anyway? ... at least who cares until the is a big enough population of idiots to vote one of them into the federal government.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

HFD what I ment was not all of them were born here.
my comments on this thread are half sarcastic but my feeling of the muslim people are no seacret here,I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.
I'll just leave it at that and not argue our feeling's on the matter sense they're both personal opinions.

Godfather.

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

well man I hate to say it but...prove it.
that aside your point has been taken, thanks'


Godfather.

that sounds like the KKK asking black people to prove themselves equal back in the old days. that is just clear fucking prejudice.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Vast majority of people of Muslim faith have nothing to do with terrorism, of any kind. That is a fact godfather, nothing to do with personal opinion

well man I hate to say it but...prove it.
that aside your point has been taken, thanks'


Godfather.

that sounds like the KKK asking black people to prove themselves equal back in the old days. that is just clear fucking prejudice.

Agreed. Godfather, you are an extremist yourself.... I would think that you'd feel some kind of kinship with or understanding of extremist Muslims rather than prejudice.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

callen wrote:

When I speak to one of my fellow humans that feels the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim I remind them that they are people like you and I that have families, want secure safe place to sleep and some good grub now and then. I then get a blank stare as they ponder Muslims not being blood thirsty Christian killers.

this is exactly the reason I'd never go to war for my country. the guy I'm trying to kill in the name of my government is no different than me; probably has a wife and kids and just wants to make it home alive to see them again.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

callen wrote:

When I speak to one of my fellow humans that feels the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim I remind them that they are people like you and I that have families, want secure safe place to sleep and some good grub now and then. I then get a blank stare as they ponder Muslims not being blood thirsty Christian killers.

this is exactly the reason I'd never go to war for my country. the guy I'm trying to kill in the name of my government is no different than me; probably has a wife and kids and just wants to make it home alive to see them again.

Or not.

redrock

Godfather. wrote:

I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.

Godfather.

And how would one go about that, Godfather? Would all non US visitors have to declare their religion before entering the US with the 'undesirable' religions being turned back? Or is one looking at the muslims of middle eastern appearance? Or only certain nationalities? My husband is white and british. Should he be a muslim, would he be 'turned around'?

Or is it when you speak of muslims, you are speaking of 'arabs'?

PJ_Soul

redrock wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I still think they sheoul be sent back or turned around before they get here.

Godfather.

And how would one go about that, Godfather? Would all non US visitors have to declare their religion before entering the US with the 'undesirable' religions being turned back? Or is one looking at the muslims of middle eastern appearance? Or only certain nationalities? My husband is white and british. Should he be a muslim, would he be 'turned around'?

Or is it when you speak of muslims, you are speaking of 'arabs'?

And don't forget all the Indians who are Muslim.... My close Muslim friend is ethnically Indian, was born in and grew up in Fiji, and then immigrated to Thailand... although attended only American schools in the far East and went to university in Canada. Oh, and his parents are both UN ambassadors. Muslim ones. Where would he fall in as far as Godfather is concerned. :think:

badbrains

Godfather. wrote:

all I can say is read the news man,have you ever heard of a islamic group building hosiptals or giving money to non muslim charitys ? there's a islamic church about 10 blocks from my house and believe me they seem to have no interest in anybody outside their church..infact I have on quite a few occasions seen them outside the church posting signs about our military and jumping up and down screaming some kind of bullshit, if it were up to me I'd just ship all their ass's back to where they came from.

Godfather.

First of all it's a mosque........and secondly, does this mean I can't go see PJ at wrigley? Do I have to leave this country that I've lived in for over 36 years????? :roll:

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

Islamic Aid lives by the following values:

Mutual respect, requiring us to recognise the innate worth of all people and the value of diversity equity and justice, requiring us to work to ensure equal opportunity to everyone, irrespective of race, age, gender, colour, class, ethnicity, disability, location and religion honest and transparency, being accountable at all levels for the effectiveness of our actions and open in our judgements and communications with others solidarity with the poor, powerless and excluded will be the only bias in our commitment to the fight against poverty courage of conviction, requiring us to be creative and radical, bold and innovative – without fear of failure – in pursuit of making the greatest possible impact on the causes of poverty independence from any religious or party-political affiliation humility in our presentation and behaviour, recognising that we are part of a wider alliance against poverty.


yeahhhh !!!!!

Godfather.

Umm I'd wager that about 99%+ of Muslims adhere to this principle.


If memory serves you claim Christian, Yes? Then let me paint YOU with the same brush I'd use on that dirtbag Fred Phelps.

Guess what, the God of Abraham is the same God for ALL THREE. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

The similarities between Judaism and Islam in dietary practice and other areas is stagering given the longstanding animosity.
Islam credits Jesus as being a wise Prophet.

All are part of the twelve tribes of Abraham.