As a Muslim, I want to thank a lot of you for coming out and speaking against islamophobia. You have no idea how much it means to me and other fellow Muslims to know that a lot of you can see thru all this bullshit. When some members write hatred after hatred at an entire group of people, it pushes me to where I want to rip into "these" idiots, and I have, been suspended and warned over it. But then I read posts from Cosmo, HFD, red rock, byrnzie, pj-soul and a lot of others, who actually DO there own thinking and it makes me smile. To know that so many of you have come to defend a religion that's pretty much being taken to the garbage by BOTH sides, (YES Islam has many idiots in it to), I just want to say THANK YOU. You have NO IDEA how much it means to me. I hope to see a lot of you at wrigley, maybe even have some beers, (yes, this Muslim enjoys beers too)..... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
As a Muslim, I want to thank a lot of you for coming out and speaking against islamophobia. You have no idea how much it means to me and other fellow Muslims to know that a lot of you can see thru all this bullshit. When some members write hatred after hatred at an entire group of people, it pushes me to where I want to rip into "these" idiots, and I have, been suspended and warned over it. But then I read posts from Cosmo, HFD, red rock, byrnzie, pj-soul and a lot of others, who actually DO there own thinking and it makes me smile. To know that so many of you have come to defend a religion that's pretty much being taken to the garbage by BOTH sides, (YES Islam has many idiots in it to), I just want to say THANK YOU. You have NO IDEA how much it means to me. I hope to see a lot of you at wrigley, maybe even have some beers, (yes, this Muslim enjoys beers too)..... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
When I got the drift that you are Muslim, I thought "Omg, he is being REALLY tolerant here! How is he not going bat-shit?!" (and for the record, if you have lost your cool in the face of some of the hatred I have seen here and got suspended, that's not fair - sometimes backlash has to be understood when justified).
Yeah, maybe I'll run into at Wrigley! I'll be the drunk white chick.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
As a Muslim, I want to thank a lot of you for coming out and speaking against islamophobia. You have no idea how much it means to me and other fellow Muslims to know that a lot of you can see thru all this bullshit. When some members write hatred after hatred at an entire group of people, it pushes me to where I want to rip into "these" idiots, and I have, been suspended and warned over it. But then I read posts from Cosmo, HFD, red rock, byrnzie, pj-soul and a lot of others, who actually DO there own thinking and it makes me smile. To know that so many of you have come to defend a religion that's pretty much being taken to the garbage by BOTH sides, (YES Islam has many idiots in it to), I just want to say THANK YOU. You have NO IDEA how much it means to me. I hope to see a lot of you at wrigley, maybe even have some beers, (yes, this Muslim enjoys beers too)..... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
and muslim and barca fan???whats wrong with you???
hehe .....i dont give a shit what god you believe in,or if your skin is green..
cheers brother...cant wait for wrigley!!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
As a Muslim, I want to thank a lot of you for coming out and speaking against islamophobia. You have no idea how much it means to me and other fellow Muslims to know that a lot of you can see thru all this bullshit. When some members write hatred after hatred at an entire group of people, it pushes me to where I want to rip into "these" idiots, and I have, been suspended and warned over it. But then I read posts from Cosmo, HFD, red rock, byrnzie, pj-soul and a lot of others, who actually DO there own thinking and it makes me smile. To know that so many of you have come to defend a religion that's pretty much being taken to the garbage by BOTH sides, (YES Islam has many idiots in it to), I just want to say THANK YOU. You have NO IDEA how much it means to me. I hope to see a lot of you at wrigley, maybe even have some beers, (yes, this Muslim enjoys beers too)..... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
When I got the drift that you are Muslim, I thought "Omg, he is being REALLY tolerant here! How is he not going bat-shit?!" (and for the record, if you have lost your cool in the face of some of the hatred I have seen here and got suspended, that's not fair - sometimes backlash has to be understood when justified).
Yeah, maybe I'll run into at Wrigley! I'll be the drunk white chick.
As a Muslim, I want to thank a lot of you for coming out and speaking against islamophobia. You have no idea how much it means to me and other fellow Muslims to know that a lot of you can see thru all this bullshit. When some members write hatred after hatred at an entire group of people, it pushes me to where I want to rip into "these" idiots, and I have, been suspended and warned over it. But then I read posts from Cosmo, HFD, red rock, byrnzie, pj-soul and a lot of others, who actually DO there own thinking and it makes me smile. To know that so many of you have come to defend a religion that's pretty much being taken to the garbage by BOTH sides, (YES Islam has many idiots in it to), I just want to say THANK YOU. You have NO IDEA how much it means to me. I hope to see a lot of you at wrigley, maybe even have some beers, (yes, this Muslim enjoys beers too)..... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
and muslim and barca fan???whats wrong with you???
hehe .....i dont give a shit what god you believe in,or if your skin is green..
cheers brother...cant wait for wrigley!!!
I'm gonna kick your FAKE Madrid ass at wrigley! You see who's coming to camp nou??? Neymar!!!! Visca BARCA!!!!
As a Muslim, I want to thank a lot of you for coming out and speaking against islamophobia. You have no idea how much it means to me and other fellow Muslims to know that a lot of you can see thru all this bullshit. When some members write hatred after hatred at an entire group of people, it pushes me to where I want to rip into "these" idiots, and I have, been suspended and warned over it. But then I read posts from Cosmo, HFD, red rock, byrnzie, pj-soul and a lot of others, who actually DO there own thinking and it makes me smile. To know that so many of you have come to defend a religion that's pretty much being taken to the garbage by BOTH sides, (YES Islam has many idiots in it to), I just want to say THANK YOU. You have NO IDEA how much it means to me. I hope to see a lot of you at wrigley, maybe even have some beers, (yes, this Muslim enjoys beers too)..... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
When I got the drift that you are Muslim, I thought "Omg, he is being REALLY tolerant here! How is he not going bat-shit?!" (and for the record, if you have lost your cool in the face of some of the hatred I have seen here and got suspended, that's not fair - sometimes backlash has to be understood when justified).
Yeah, maybe I'll run into at Wrigley! I'll be the drunk white chick.
And I'll be the stoned Muslim
I'll keep an eye out for you.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
You act as though the Islamic culture is without fault, which is clearly utterly ridiculous.
I never said anything of the sort. In fact, I've stated clearly that there are extremist forms of Islam that are a problem. Maybe you got so offended and giddy at seeing the word Islamophobia that you missed that?
(But OBVIOUSLY anti-Muslim violence and bigotry is wrong, but NO ONE on the AMT is doing that, so spare us the unwarranted accusations)
Yes they are. And only a blind, or seriously deluded person, would fail to see that. In fact, you yourself claimed that all Muslim women are oppressed.
Not for our freedom. They hate us because we're infidels.... Sounds like you're trying to take the religious out of their cause. That's a mistake.
No, they hate you because you've been meddling in that regions affairs for decades, propping up dictators, and giving blanket support to Israel ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Not to mention that you've just spent ten years bombing and ransacking Iraq and Afghanistan.
Members of the Free Syrian Army reportedly attacked the Christian-dominated al-Duvair village in Reef on the outskirts of Homs on Monday, where they massacred its citizens, including women and children, before the Syrian Army loyal to Bashar al Assad intervened on behalf of the Christians.
US-Backed Rebels Committing Christian Genocide In Syria
Christians are being systematically targeted for genocide in Syria according to Vatican and other sources with contacts on the ground among the besieged Christian community. According to reports by the Vatican’s Fides News Agency collected by the Centre for the Study of Interventionism, the US-backed Free Syrian Army rebels and ever more radical spin-off factions are attacking and burning Christian churches, shooting Christians dead in the street, broadcasting ultimatums that all Christians must be cleansed from the rebel-held villages, and even shooting priests.
Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil
You might not know it from the grand pity party that vocal Muslims seem to have thrown for themselves in the years since 9/11, but only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack following the horrific slaughter of thousands in the name of Allah. That would be Waqar Hasan, a Muslim convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas. Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.
For anyone keeping score
People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,996
Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge": 1
Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists such as Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, who not only have sanctuary in Muslim countries, but are often treated as heroes by devout followers of Muhammad.
Of course, 9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans on U.S. soil in terror attacks. In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at least 61 people in 36 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes). Perhaps more importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.
By contrast, Muslim-Americans do not appear to be in any special danger from murderous (non-Muslim) religious fanatics, even in a nation awash in firearms. Identity groups, such as CAIR, whine incessantly about relatively trivial incidents while turning a blind eye to the horrible violence that is meted out daily in the name of their religion. This distasteful petulance offers insight not only into the character of Islam, but also the America's impressive religious tolerance.
For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 35 years, here’s what we could find:
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
You know, when I wrote that about people not being bigots, I had not yet seen Godfather's stuff. I didn't realize that there is in fact an extremist among us. However, you posted your message to the AMT, not the few Islamophobes here, while everyone else is very much not like that. And that did bother me, I admit. It's a very loaded word, and generally inaccurate when applied to people in the AMT.... and that it was said by YOU of all people made it hard to swallow, since you are the exact same way but pointing in the other direction.
But you do have a major bias, just as the people you're accusing - i still stand by that. Just your attitude about women's rights in the Middle East show that clearly.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Not for our freedom. They hate us because we're infidels.... Sounds like you're trying to take the religious out of their cause. That's a mistake.
No, they hate you because you've been meddling in that regions affairs for decades, propping up dictators, and giving blanket support to Israel ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Not to mention that you've just spent ten years bombing and ransacking Iraq and Afghanistan.
I have?? Geez, if I'd known I'd been meddling in the region's affairs and bombing and ransacking (what, did I forget to rape and pillage?), I would have knocked it off a long time ago.
I give blanket support to Israel?? Gosh, I thought I accuse both sides equally and don't pick a side at all because everyone's wrong, and that it's the governments not the citizens who I am frustrated by, but thank you for clarifying that for me.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Members of the Free Syrian Army reportedly attacked the Christian-dominated al-Duvair village in Reef on the outskirts of Homs on Monday, where they massacred its citizens, including women and children, before the Syrian Army loyal to Bashar al Assad intervened on behalf of the Christians.
US-Backed Rebels Committing Christian Genocide In Syria
Christians are being systematically targeted for genocide in Syria according to Vatican and other sources with contacts on the ground among the besieged Christian community. According to reports by the Vatican’s Fides News Agency collected by the Centre for the Study of Interventionism, the US-backed Free Syrian Army rebels and ever more radical spin-off factions are attacking and burning Christian churches, shooting Christians dead in the street, broadcasting ultimatums that all Christians must be cleansed from the rebel-held villages, and even shooting priests.
Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil
You might not know it from the grand pity party that vocal Muslims seem to have thrown for themselves in the years since 9/11, but only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack following the horrific slaughter of thousands in the name of Allah. That would be Waqar Hasan, a Muslim convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas. Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.
For anyone keeping score
People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,996
Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge": 1
Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists such as Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, who not only have sanctuary in Muslim countries, but are often treated as heroes by devout followers of Muhammad.
Of course, 9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans on U.S. soil in terror attacks. In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at least 61 people in 36 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes). Perhaps more importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.
By contrast, Muslim-Americans do not appear to be in any special danger from murderous (non-Muslim) religious fanatics, even in a nation awash in firearms. Identity groups, such as CAIR, whine incessantly about relatively trivial incidents while turning a blind eye to the horrible violence that is meted out daily in the name of their religion. This distasteful petulance offers insight not only into the character of Islam, but also the America's impressive religious tolerance.
For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 35 years, here’s what we could find:
Members of the Free Syrian Army reportedly attacked the Christian-dominated al-Duvair village in Reef on the outskirts of Homs on Monday, where they massacred its citizens, including women and children, before the Syrian Army loyal to Bashar al Assad intervened on behalf of the Christians.
US-Backed Rebels Committing Christian Genocide In Syria
Christians are being systematically targeted for genocide in Syria according to Vatican and other sources with contacts on the ground among the besieged Christian community. According to reports by the Vatican’s Fides News Agency collected by the Centre for the Study of Interventionism, the US-backed Free Syrian Army rebels and ever more radical spin-off factions are attacking and burning Christian churches, shooting Christians dead in the street, broadcasting ultimatums that all Christians must be cleansed from the rebel-held villages, and even shooting priests.
Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil
You might not know it from the grand pity party that vocal Muslims seem to have thrown for themselves in the years since 9/11, but only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack following the horrific slaughter of thousands in the name of Allah. That would be Waqar Hasan, a Muslim convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas. Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.
For anyone keeping score
People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,996
Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge": 1
Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists such as Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, who not only have sanctuary in Muslim countries, but are often treated as heroes by devout followers of Muhammad.
Of course, 9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans on U.S. soil in terror attacks. In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at least 61 people in 36 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes). Perhaps more importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.
By contrast, Muslim-Americans do not appear to be in any special danger from murderous (non-Muslim) religious fanatics, even in a nation awash in firearms. Identity groups, such as CAIR, whine incessantly about relatively trivial incidents while turning a blind eye to the horrible violence that is meted out daily in the name of their religion. This distasteful petulance offers insight not only into the character of Islam, but also the America's impressive religious tolerance.
For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 35 years, here’s what we could find:
Big fucken deal, they're ALSO KILLING Syrians who ARE MUSLIM! :fp:
You always show what a kind Muslim you are, nice language......this contradicts what the first post says....that was the point of my post.....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
You know, when I wrote that about people not being bigots, I had not yet seen Godfather's stuff. I didn't realize that there is in fact an extremist among us. However, you posted your message to the AMT, not the few Islamophobes here, while everyone else is very much not like that. And that did bother me, I admit. It's a very loaded word, and generally inaccurate when applied to people in the AMT.... and that it was said by YOU of all people made it hard to swallow, since you are the exact same way but pointing in the other direction.
I'm the exact same way as what? An Islamophobe? Please elaborate.
But you do have a major bias, just as the people you're accusing - i still stand by that. Just your attitude about women's rights in the Middle East show that clearly.
My attitude? My attitude has nothing to do with it. Though I can see why it would benefit you to reduce this discussion to being all about my character, instead of discussing the points I've raised.
You claim that all Muslim women in the Middle East are oppressed. They're not. The application of Islam and it's tenets differs from country to country, and from region to region. But then I realize you consider yourself an expert on that part of the World that you've never set foot in, just as you consider yourself an expert on China - another place you've never set foot in.
I have?? Geez, if I'd known I'd been meddling in the region's affairs and bombing and ransacking (what, did I forget to rape and pillage?), I would have knocked it off a long time ago.
I give blanket support to Israel?? Gosh, I thought I accuse both sides equally and don't pick a side at all because everyone's wrong, and that it's the governments not the citizens who I am frustrated by, but thank you for clarifying that for me.
That's clever. You know perfectly well I was referring to the U.S.
Oh, of course. Self-interest wasn't the difference in intent and motivation that I was thinking of. I was more thinking of the fact that, assuming we're talking about the US's military actions here, the US military doesn't go out of its way to murder innocent civilians in order to make a statement and instill fear in a population in the hopes that that will destabilize the government or inspire retaliation that will in turn make others turn against them. Terrorists do. Yes, of course innocent civilians have died from US attacks, and people in the area have been scared, but that wasn't the actual intent of or motivation behind the attacks (however misguided their actual motivation behind them are). That's the difference. Another difference is that there isn't a stable and established government and identifiable leaders directly behind terrorism. When you're talking about actions of war undertaken by a nation's military, there is.
whether the US government, or any government, acts with intent to kill civilians or is simply indifferent to it, I see no difference.
The nazis had a stable and established government. was what they were doing not terrorism? how can simply having a functioning government excuse them from being terrorists?
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Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Oh, of course. Self-interest wasn't the difference in intent and motivation that I was thinking of. I was more thinking of the fact that, assuming we're talking about the US's military actions here, the US military doesn't go out of its way to murder innocent civilians in order to make a statement and instill fear in a population in the hopes that that will destabilize the government or inspire retaliation that will in turn make others turn against them. Terrorists do. Yes, of course innocent civilians have died from US attacks, and people in the area have been scared, but that wasn't the actual intent of or motivation behind the attacks (however misguided their actual motivation behind them are). That's the difference. Another difference is that there isn't a stable and established government and identifiable leaders directly behind terrorism. When you're talking about actions of war undertaken by a nation's military, there is.
Book Review: The Case Against Israel - Michael Neumann
As for “terrorism”, which he defines as “random violence against non-combatants”, he distinguishes it from “collateral damage” with the assertion that the latter “involves knowingly killing innocent civilians” while “Terrorism involves intentionally killing innocent civilians”, concluding that “the moral difference is too academic even for an academic.” Why, then, is “terrorism” considered to be particularly morally repugnant, while “collateral damage” tends to be taken in our moral stride?
“Imagine trying to make such a claim. You say: ‘To achieve my objectives, I would certainly drop bombs with the knowledge that they would blow the arms off some children. But to achieve those same objectives, I would not plant or set off a bomb on the ground with the knowledge that it would have that same effect. After all, I have planes to do that, I don’t need to plant bombs.’ As a claim of moral superiority, this needs a little work.”
Members of the Free Syrian Army reportedly attacked the Christian-dominated al-Duvair village in Reef on the outskirts of Homs on Monday, where they massacred its citizens, including women and children, before the Syrian Army loyal to Bashar al Assad intervened on behalf of the Christians.
US-Backed Rebels Committing Christian Genocide In Syria
Christians are being systematically targeted for genocide in Syria according to Vatican and other sources with contacts on the ground among the besieged Christian community. According to reports by the Vatican’s Fides News Agency collected by the Centre for the Study of Interventionism, the US-backed Free Syrian Army rebels and ever more radical spin-off factions are attacking and burning Christian churches, shooting Christians dead in the street, broadcasting ultimatums that all Christians must be cleansed from the rebel-held villages, and even shooting priests.
Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil
You might not know it from the grand pity party that vocal Muslims seem to have thrown for themselves in the years since 9/11, but only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack following the horrific slaughter of thousands in the name of Allah. That would be Waqar Hasan, a Muslim convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas. Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.
For anyone keeping score
People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,996
Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge": 1
Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists such as Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, who not only have sanctuary in Muslim countries, but are often treated as heroes by devout followers of Muhammad.
Of course, 9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans on U.S. soil in terror attacks. In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at least 61 people in 36 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes). Perhaps more importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.
By contrast, Muslim-Americans do not appear to be in any special danger from murderous (non-Muslim) religious fanatics, even in a nation awash in firearms. Identity groups, such as CAIR, whine incessantly about relatively trivial incidents while turning a blind eye to the horrible violence that is meted out daily in the name of their religion. This distasteful petulance offers insight not only into the character of Islam, but also the America's impressive religious tolerance.
For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 35 years, here’s what we could find:
Big fucken deal, they're ALSO KILLING Syrians who ARE MUSLIM! :fp:
You always show what a kind Muslim you are, nice language......this contradicts what the first post says....that was the point of my post.....
I was making a point about how they ALSO kill Muslims, disregard for human life. As for my language, I could care less what you think of it. Your posts offend so many people that again I'll state it, how are you still allowed to post....I know you want me to say something so I get barred from here but I won't give you the joy.
No, that is not what I said at all. Not sure why or how you read what I said to mean that the KKK somehow isn't as awful in its own way. All I said was that weren't comparable. Imeant (as clarified in a later post), because everything about the two are completely different. I didn't say anything about degrees of guilt.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Oh, of course. Self-interest wasn't the difference in intent and motivation that I was thinking of. I was more thinking of the fact that, assuming we're talking about the US's military actions here, the US military doesn't go out of its way to murder innocent civilians in order to make a statement and instill fear in a population in the hopes that that will destabilize the government or inspire retaliation that will in turn make others turn against them. Terrorists do. Yes, of course innocent civilians have died from US attacks, and people in the area have been scared, but that wasn't the actual intent of or motivation behind the attacks (however misguided their actual motivation behind them are). That's the difference. Another difference is that there isn't a stable and established government and identifiable leaders directly behind terrorism. When you're talking about actions of war undertaken by a nation's military, there is.
whether the US government, or any government, acts with intent to kill civilians or is simply indifferent to it, I see no difference.
The nazis had a stable and established government. was what they were doing not terrorism? how can simply having a functioning government excuse them from being terrorists?
I didn't say anything about anyone being justified. Didn't even hint at that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
No, that is not what I said at all. Not sure why or how you read what I said to mean that the KKK somehow isn't as awful in its own way. All I said was that weren't comparable. Imeant (as clarified in a later post), because everything about the two are completely different. I didn't say anything about degrees of guilt.
How are the two 'completey different'? They're both extremist elements that routinely use violence as a means to an end, and they're both propelled by Ideology, one religious, one secular.
No, that is not what I said at all. Not sure why or how you read what I said to mean that the KKK somehow isn't as awful in its own way. All I said was that weren't comparable. Imeant (as clarified in a later post), because everything about the two are completely different. I didn't say anything about degrees of guilt.
How are the two 'completey different'? They're both extremist elements that routinely use violence as a means to an end, and they're both propelled by Ideology, one religious, one secular.
Well I'm not repeating myself. I already posted the answer to that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Yes, of course innocent civilians have died from US attacks, and people in the area have been scared, but that wasn't the actual intent of or motivation behind the attacks (however misguided their actual motivation behind them are). That's the difference.
No, I didn't. That does not say at all that what they do is justified. I don't understand how or why, but You're just reading into it what you want, apparently. :? I was just stating the differences between intent. Not making a statement about right or wrong. Just because their intent isn't to terrorize civians doesn't mean they are justified in what they do intend to do or how they do it. You dreamed up that meaning youself because that is what extremists do.... I think it might be neat if you attempted thinking objectively for once, if only to understand my posts as they actually read instead of as they read after your subjectivity gets ahold of them.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Just because their intent isn't to terrorize civians doesn't mean they are justified in what they do intend to do or how they do it.
No, their proclaimed intent is irrelevant in light of the actual consequences of their actions. If you drop 500Ib bombs, and cluster munitions, on civilian areas, then the result will be terrorizing the population.
Should Woolwich really influence politics on another continent?
Fatalities from terrorism remain thankfully rare. But the Woolwich murder is already used by Australian politicians to further their agenda
Jeff Sparrow
guardian.co.uk, Friday 31 May 2013
'...Though it’s impolite to say so, fatalities from terrorism remain vanishingly rare, at least in wealthy nations. You have four times the chance of being struck by lightning as you do from being killed by a terror attack. You are nine times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit; you are eight times more likely to die at the hands of a police officer than a terrorist. You are also something like a thousand times more likely to lose your life in a car crash than from a terror plot. Traffic accidents constitute a genuine threat; we all know someone who has died on the roads. Yet no-one would consider giving traffic officers anything like the powers accorded to security agencies, even though a far more intrusive policing of drunk driving would, without question, save hundreds of lives.
...Amazingly, between 1968 and 1973, terrorist incidents involving the seizure of commercial jets took place at a rate of nearly one a week, a sequence of skyjackings now almost totally forgotten. The attacks were taken seriously, of course – but no-one suggested they posed an existential threat, nor claimed the world had somehow changed forever.
Now, ask yourself this: what would be the reaction today to a similar spate of terror attacks? If two men wielding a machete on an entirely different continent spurs calls for increased surveillance of your emails, how would Greg Sheridan and his ilk react to five years of weekly skyjackings? What kind of security state would they demand in response?
The comparison between the political culture then and now helps explain the rise of the theological response to terror. In the politicised climate of the late 1960s, skyjackings were understood in a particular context. Even those with no sympathy for the militants’ aims accepted that the perpetrators possessed a motivation for their crimes, that they were not simply driven by a fathomless evil...'
because I'm bull headed and pissed off about all the terrorest acts honor killing's etc. being done by muslim people and now I don't trust any of them...yeah yeah I know it's not politicaly correct but neither is a muslim terrorest or a muslim father/husband that kills out of some misguided honer .
I not asking anybody to follow my opinion or even agree with me,right now this is how I feel about the whole mess.
Godfather.
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That's cool. You are admitting to being prejudice. My take is, there is nothing wrong with being prejudiced towards an entire group of people as long as you are up front and take ownership of it.
Just don't pretend to be a good person or tell us what a good Christian you are or about your virtuous nature towards people. You are in the same class as the Rev. Phelps Westboro Church clan with the only difference being, they hate Fags, you hate Muslims. To me, I really don't care who you hate... just own up to your hatred.
I never said "hate" as I have said before hate in my opinion is a very strong word, yes I am pissed off and yes I disaprove of the actions by muslim people and yes I do not trust them due to their beliefs and violance that has been welll documented....and yes I want them out of my country,I know it sounds a little extream but this shit is just getting too friggin old and my opionon on the muslim has nothing to do with my Christan beliefs..although my reasons not to hate may be because of my Christan beliefs.
you guys have a habbit of twisting the words of others around a little, you assume I hate because I say I don't want muslims in my country when I have never used the word hate towards anybody.
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Yeah, maybe I'll run into at Wrigley! I'll be the drunk white chick.
hehe .....i dont give a shit what god you believe in,or if your skin is green..
cheers brother...cant wait for wrigley!!!
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
And I'll be the stoned Muslim
I'm gonna kick your FAKE Madrid ass at wrigley! You see who's coming to camp nou??? Neymar!!!! Visca BARCA!!!!
I never said anything of the sort. In fact, I've stated clearly that there are extremist forms of Islam that are a problem. Maybe you got so offended and giddy at seeing the word Islamophobia that you missed that?
Yes they are. And only a blind, or seriously deluded person, would fail to see that. In fact, you yourself claimed that all Muslim women are oppressed.
No, they hate you because you've been meddling in that regions affairs for decades, propping up dictators, and giving blanket support to Israel ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Not to mention that you've just spent ten years bombing and ransacking Iraq and Afghanistan.
Members of the Free Syrian Army reportedly attacked the Christian-dominated al-Duvair village in Reef on the outskirts of Homs on Monday, where they massacred its citizens, including women and children, before the Syrian Army loyal to Bashar al Assad intervened on behalf of the Christians.
US-Backed Rebels Committing Christian Genocide In Syria
Christians are being systematically targeted for genocide in Syria according to Vatican and other sources with contacts on the ground among the besieged Christian community. According to reports by the Vatican’s Fides News Agency collected by the Centre for the Study of Interventionism, the US-backed Free Syrian Army rebels and ever more radical spin-off factions are attacking and burning Christian churches, shooting Christians dead in the street, broadcasting ultimatums that all Christians must be cleansed from the rebel-held villages, and even shooting priests.
Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil
You might not know it from the grand pity party that vocal Muslims seem to have thrown for themselves in the years since 9/11, but only one Muslim in America was killed in a vigilante "revenge" attack following the horrific slaughter of thousands in the name of Allah. That would be Waqar Hasan, a Muslim convenience storeowner who was gunned down by Mark Anthony Stroman in Texas. Hardly an average American, Stroman was a white supremacist with a felony criminal record who went on to shoot two more people in the following weeks. However, he did claim to be motivated by anger after having watched the twin towers fall.
For anyone keeping score
People killed by radical Muslims on 9/11: 2,996
Muslim-Americans killed "in revenge": 1
Thankfully, an American jury sentenced Mark Stroman to death. The same cannot be said of many Muslim terrorists such as Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, who not only have sanctuary in Muslim countries, but are often treated as heroes by devout followers of Muhammad.
Of course, 9/11 was neither the first nor the last time that Muslims have killed Americans on U.S. soil in terror attacks. In fact, since that day, Muslims have killed at least 61 people in 36 separate acts of terrorism in the United States (by the standards that Muslim-American groups set for hate crimes). Perhaps more importantly, there have been plenty of mass murder plots against Americans by Islamic terrorists that were thwarted by the FBI, law enforcement and overseas intelligence operations both before and after 9/11, as well as several that were simply botched, such as the attempt to blow up Times Square.
By contrast, Muslim-Americans do not appear to be in any special danger from murderous (non-Muslim) religious fanatics, even in a nation awash in firearms. Identity groups, such as CAIR, whine incessantly about relatively trivial incidents while turning a blind eye to the horrible violence that is meted out daily in the name of their religion. This distasteful petulance offers insight not only into the character of Islam, but also the America's impressive religious tolerance.
For anyone wondering about the history of deadly Islamic terror on American soil in the last 35 years, here’s what we could find:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
But you do have a major bias, just as the people you're accusing - i still stand by that. Just your attitude about women's rights in the Middle East show that clearly.
I give blanket support to Israel?? Gosh, I thought I accuse both sides equally and don't pick a side at all because everyone's wrong, and that it's the governments not the citizens who I am frustrated by, but thank you for clarifying that for me.
Why not? Are you suggesting the KKK hasn't been responsible for murder and terrorism?
From this year: http://www.salon.com/2013/02/07/klan_le ... s_partner/
How about the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in 1963 which killed four black girls? This was an act of terrorism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Stree ... ch_bombing
Big fucken deal, they're ALSO KILLING Syrians who ARE MUSLIM! :fp:
You always show what a kind Muslim you are, nice language......this contradicts what the first post says....that was the point of my post.....
I'm the exact same way as what? An Islamophobe? Please elaborate.
My attitude? My attitude has nothing to do with it. Though I can see why it would benefit you to reduce this discussion to being all about my character, instead of discussing the points I've raised.
You claim that all Muslim women in the Middle East are oppressed. They're not. The application of Islam and it's tenets differs from country to country, and from region to region. But then I realize you consider yourself an expert on that part of the World that you've never set foot in, just as you consider yourself an expert on China - another place you've never set foot in.
That's clever. You know perfectly well I was referring to the U.S.
whether the US government, or any government, acts with intent to kill civilians or is simply indifferent to it, I see no difference.
The nazis had a stable and established government. was what they were doing not terrorism? how can simply having a functioning government excuse them from being terrorists?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
What exactly do you mean when you say this? Can you please clarify?
http://electronicintifada.net/content/b ... srael/5955
Book Review: The Case Against Israel - Michael Neumann
As for “terrorism”, which he defines as “random violence against non-combatants”, he distinguishes it from “collateral damage” with the assertion that the latter “involves knowingly killing innocent civilians” while “Terrorism involves intentionally killing innocent civilians”, concluding that “the moral difference is too academic even for an academic.” Why, then, is “terrorism” considered to be particularly morally repugnant, while “collateral damage” tends to be taken in our moral stride?
“Imagine trying to make such a claim. You say: ‘To achieve my objectives, I would certainly drop bombs with the knowledge that they would blow the arms off some children. But to achieve those same objectives, I would not plant or set off a bomb on the ground with the knowledge that it would have that same effect. After all, I have planes to do that, I don’t need to plant bombs.’ As a claim of moral superiority, this needs a little work.”
I was making a point about how they ALSO kill Muslims, disregard for human life. As for my language, I could care less what you think of it. Your posts offend so many people that again I'll state it, how are you still allowed to post....I know you want me to say something so I get barred from here but I won't give you the joy.
How are the two 'completey different'? They're both extremist elements that routinely use violence as a means to an end, and they're both propelled by Ideology, one religious, one secular.
Yes, you did:
Anyway, I already answered your post here on this very page: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=208751&p=5068326#p5068236
No, their proclaimed intent is irrelevant in light of the actual consequences of their actions. If you drop 500Ib bombs, and cluster munitions, on civilian areas, then the result will be terrorizing the population.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -australia
Should Woolwich really influence politics on another continent?
Fatalities from terrorism remain thankfully rare. But the Woolwich murder is already used by Australian politicians to further their agenda
Jeff Sparrow
guardian.co.uk, Friday 31 May 2013
'...Though it’s impolite to say so, fatalities from terrorism remain vanishingly rare, at least in wealthy nations. You have four times the chance of being struck by lightning as you do from being killed by a terror attack. You are nine times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit; you are eight times more likely to die at the hands of a police officer than a terrorist. You are also something like a thousand times more likely to lose your life in a car crash than from a terror plot. Traffic accidents constitute a genuine threat; we all know someone who has died on the roads. Yet no-one would consider giving traffic officers anything like the powers accorded to security agencies, even though a far more intrusive policing of drunk driving would, without question, save hundreds of lives.
...Amazingly, between 1968 and 1973, terrorist incidents involving the seizure of commercial jets took place at a rate of nearly one a week, a sequence of skyjackings now almost totally forgotten. The attacks were taken seriously, of course – but no-one suggested they posed an existential threat, nor claimed the world had somehow changed forever.
Now, ask yourself this: what would be the reaction today to a similar spate of terror attacks? If two men wielding a machete on an entirely different continent spurs calls for increased surveillance of your emails, how would Greg Sheridan and his ilk react to five years of weekly skyjackings? What kind of security state would they demand in response?
The comparison between the political culture then and now helps explain the rise of the theological response to terror. In the politicised climate of the late 1960s, skyjackings were understood in a particular context. Even those with no sympathy for the militants’ aims accepted that the perpetrators possessed a motivation for their crimes, that they were not simply driven by a fathomless evil...'
I never said "hate" as I have said before hate in my opinion is a very strong word, yes I am pissed off and yes I disaprove of the actions by muslim people and yes I do not trust them due to their beliefs and violance that has been welll documented....and yes I want them out of my country,I know it sounds a little extream but this shit is just getting too friggin old and my opionon on the muslim has nothing to do with my Christan beliefs..although my reasons not to hate may be because of my Christan beliefs.
Godfather.
Godfather.